Football Manager 2021 Early Access Beta Official Feedback Thread

[Jops14]

Man U are bafflingly overrated... Sat in 2nd end of first season.

 

Generally its the best FM in years, the Match UI is a little frustrating, watch in 2D and pitch is a little small, loads of wasted space on the left

[KlaaZ]

18 minutes ago, ManicStreetFootballFan said:

apparently the transfer windows are all set to 1900...pretty sure 2021/2022 isn't in 1900 but I could be wrong and the world is about to reset to that year...

This thread is for feedback only. If you see a bug, post it in the bugs forum. 

[Conardo]

After 10 League Games i have to change my initial judgement about the match day UI, it is not as bad as i thought - or felt.

Except for the little things i like it now.

[zyfon5]

44 minutes ago, lex311085 said:

i guess you could say the same about any team in regards to expectations/probabilities. Would Liverpool players have been expected to win leagues and european cups for example Alexander Arnold who no one thought would become one of the best right backs in the world when he was outplayed by Marcus Rashford 4 years ago, Robertson becoming one of the best left backs in the world. Wijnaldum alright at newcastle but not world class when he signed for Liverpool, Mane, good at southampton but not world class when he signed for Liverpool, Salah, flopped at Chelsea, no one thought he would reach the heights he has when he signed for Liverpool, Henderson, lifting a premier league and European cup as an influential leader, Firmino was awful when he first signed. Point is despite none of these players were expected to be world beaters and didn't look anything special on paper a few years ago but through great coaching they were. 

Which brings me to my point that AI managers attributes need to play more of a role otherwise whats the point in having them.

Some of the players you mentioned above were great on paper just that no one looked at the correct place. Salah for instance were signed specifically based on stats analysis on goal scoring chances he created. TAA were already producing great attacking numbers for a full back a few seasons ago. Firmino were already great back when he is still at Hoffenheim. I can even show you a post made in 2016 where someone predicted that Andrew Robertson will be a world class full back. Sure they improved by coaching but saying that no one expected them to be great is a disrespect to Liverpool scouting and data analyst department.

[RTHerringbone]

I'm gradually warming to the matchday UI after about 24 hours of game time. I do feel that in its current guise it's the weakest part of the Beta, but with some refinement I can see it becoming an improvement on the "old" way of doing things. More control over number of panels and the type of info shown is a necessity in my opinion. It's good to hear that the pass map is already set to be amended because it's just no use whatsoever at the moment.

[antonywarnes]

Still finding it difficult to offload players-even n the current climate you'd expect to be able to shift some players, especially when there's a few clubs meant to be interested. Current save is Newcastle, so for example Dwight Gayle- half the Championship would want him if he was transfer listed for £4.5M.

The money being offered for players when you can get a bid is also very low. The board is then concerned with the finances when you sell? 

I think some of the values might be overly optimistic such as Matt Ritchie £10M for a 30 year old winger who played 18 games last season seems excessive? Then you get a bid of £3.5M but dare not accept incase it's the low price sale which gets you sacked, 

[Robsontist]

So a few thoughts.

The ME is great, like everybody already said. I don't even think it needs very much tampering. Players seem to actually follow personal instructions now. Maybe something will reveal itself after further testing. But i think this ME is 2-3 steps in the right direction. I haven't seen my wingers make ludicrous attempts to take shots from tight angles instead of passing to the totally free striker once. Generally the game seems to be less dependent on wing play. And i managed to make a 4-4-2 diamond formation work which is not a a 4-3-3 (or 4-2-3-1) formation. So that's great.

Game Speed is much better. Kudos.

The UI is mostly a complete bust. I'm sorry. But this is so cluttered and unituitive. The matchday UI has some nice ideas (i like the quick sub feature), but then it has so much deadspace. Also the hilarious passmap that everybody already meme'd to death needs to go. And the press-conference and team talk UI is even worse. (Why do I have to manually deselect all players if I want to talk to one player inidivually???) I would say back to the drawing board but that doesn't seem realistic in Mid-November. So i guess the skins need to save this one.

Something is wrong with Player values (and I think it's affecting the transfers too). How a Buli player like Silas from VfB Stuttgart (20 years old, already 69 career games and 19 goals, bought by Stuttgart for 8 Million) is worth 1 Million, while my 30 year old centreback Mathias Jorgensen on loan from fenerbace who is playing for copenhagen for the third time in his career is worth almost 6 million at the start of the game? (I know asking price will be different but look at transfermarkt for example: Silas is valued at 6,3 Million €, Mathias Jorgensen at 2 Million). Why would Bayern be able to buy nahitan nandez for 10 Mio from genua, after they bought him for 18 Mio just one season earlier? (is this supposed to simulate covid?)

 

 

[f.zaarour]

Loving the ME. What a change from FM20. How come it was so bad at 20, its just huge. Keep it this way, the enjoyment is really back from this FM21 ME. Had some really nice intelligent goals. 

 

And I was asking this: would it be possible to chromecast FM on ur TV and play it? Is that something possible to get in this game...? 

Edited November 15, 2020 by f.zaarour

[sgevolker]

Hi Guys,

how can I arrange a friendly for my second team squad? 

[Domoboy23]

15 minutes ago, FMLegend1983 said:

Disagree, please tweak it further the me is good but still room for improvements. I like the fact strikers score more goals and the variety of goals scored.. In terms of the AI matches are becoming somewhat predictible where irrespective of neither the players nor the tactics used I'm getting tons of draws and conceding too many late goals when I've shut up shop. It's becoming like a pattern sucking the enjoyment out of the game.

The issue with tweaking is the knock-on effects it has elsewhere. One tweak can unravel the whole thing. I'm sorry to say it but from the latter I'd say... it's your tactics

[robinthebest]

can someone tell me how involved is F9 now?

[ferrarinseb]

5 minutes ago, robinthebest said:

can someone tell me how involved is F9 now?

Very Involved. I say he works pretty much as he expected to do. 

[thiagoanjo]

10 horas atrás, h3nrique_SEP disse:

"the attack is overpowered at the moment, i hope SI buff the defense for the final release"

My attack with Aguero, Dybala, Bernardo, KDB and Sterling:

But the problem there was the good defense ? It seems you create a lot of chances

[kiwityke]

13 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said:

The issue with tweaking is the knock-on effects it has elsewhere. One tweak can unravel the whole thing. I'm sorry to say it but from the latter I'd say... it's your tactics

Its absolutely his tactics. I ahd the same issue but overcame it by changing my tactics as I could see what the issue was.

[thiagoanjo]

1 hora atrás, Jops14 disse:

Man U are bafflingly overrated... Sat in 2nd end of first season.

 

Generally its the best FM in years, the Match UI is a little frustrating, watch in 2D and pitch is a little small, loads of wasted space on the left

Yeah, I think the Man Utd researcher got lil emotional with his club, lol

[frank_olaf]

Is there any way to automatically skip this screen that appears at the end of every game? It doesn't add any value to me and is an extra page I need to click through.

Thanks

[thiagoanjo]

6 horas atrás, vikeologist disse:

It is now massively easier to get a job when you start unemployed.

Even if you start aged 20, with no qualifications or experience, you can get a first job at a 3star reputation club. Examples are multiple English Championship clubs and top foreign clubs such as Kaizer Chiefs in South Africa.

Sometimes the game suggests that vacancies like this are unrealistic in the 'weekly jobs update', sometimes it recommends them. That feature seems all over the place.

By way of comparison, since FM15 the level of first job one can get has slowly lowered, and in FM20, the best one could hope for would probably be a 1.5 star team, such as in the English Conference.

This is a massive change, and though frankly even getting a first job in the Conference strained credulity, getting jobs with the likes of Stoke and Willem II (in Holland) and the aforementioned Kaizer Chiefs seems too unrealistic.

Is this a deliberate adjustment on the part of SI, or a bug?

Please report at bug thread

[XaW]

19 minutes ago, sgevolker said:

Hi Guys,

how can I arrange a friendly for my second team squad? 

Just to into your second team schedule and arrange it as normal.

[Dagenham_Dave]

1 hour ago, Jops14 said:

watch in 2D and pitch is a little small, loads of wasted space on the left

You can zoom the 2D pitch in so that it almost fills the screen (with the player bar hidden). I'm mostly playing in 2D at the moment because I don't like the colour palette or poor contrast levels in the 3D engine, particularly in bright sunshine or floodlit matches. Wish they could recreate the vibrancy of the FM19 graphics engine. Coupled with the improvements in the actual match engine, would probably make me use 3D more often. Alas, no. 

[Savatage1973]

firts...i think this is one of the best match engines so far...some minor things that can be fixed until release hoping they dont screw the rest.

but heres my concern...

i play benfica and i put against RAPID on champions league playoff a team just for fun...to see how punished i would be for putting a bad team on the pitch.

so i choose most players from B team...and a few( the weakest) of the A and put them complete out of space...ex( gilberto as a midfielder on atack..

the result is ....well...how can i say it...not good..

i won 3-0 with great football...gilberto 8.1 note...and the most of the others with 7.4 up...

damn...

i always heard people complaining that putting messi or another random player if you watch full game you wont notice a big diference....

at this time i dont know what to think,,,was it a lucky game???or...indeed players skills and atributs still dont have a major part...

i hope not...because i realy enjoy this fm21 so far.

cheers

[Prej]

32 minutes ago, sgevolker said:

Hi Guys,

how can I arrange a friendly for my second team squad? 

Via the Development Center.

Choose the team (U18 or B team or whatever) -> Fixtures -> Arrange Friendly

[thiagoanjo]

5 horas atrás, KloppRodgersHodgson disse:

It’s really useful if you want to know if your play is creating good chances, I.e. carving the opposition open, or rubbish, shoot-from-tight-angles through a crowded box chances.
 

Not all shots are equal.

Yeah, I already could do that seeing the screen of shots and ccc/hc. xG didnt add nothing to how I analyze the creation of my team. 

Since it is only an analyzes of just the last second of the shot, it doesnt working for me, I like to analyze the whole play, not the kind of shot my player choose to finish it.

I got an 1v1 with less than 9m from bar, the game return a 0.31 xG, absolutely no way players would lose 7 from 10 attempt in that chance. The problem was the game only takes in consideration the shot, but the player could make a dribble for left, for right, dip, shot with Power, etc, so it only make the calculation for the kind of finish the player decided to do

[Viking]

Are the bookie odds gone from the game, or am I blind?

[Deano565]

Is there any way to get the 'Set' icon to stop showing on the Squad screen?

It appears for players with Settled status after Brexit. But I really don't think I need a reminder of it constantly until 2023.

[Domoboy23]

5 minutes ago, Viking said:

Are the bookie odds gone from the game, or am I blind?

Match preview, the one you get before a game in your inbox

[Viking]

3 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said:

Match preview, the one you get before a game in your inbox

Cheers.

[2feet]

2 hours ago, ManicStreetFootballFan said:

apparently the transfer windows are all set to 1900...pretty sure 2021/2022 isn't in 1900 but I could be wrong and the world is about to reset to that year...

 

Man Utd have been way overpowered in FM for the last five years or so.

Probably something to do with the size of their finances and squad value and reputation.

[ferrarinseb]

I'm certainly enjoying this game despite the pink ish theme and the ui cluttering. I'm certainly feeling tired with the pink though guess I was getting aged

on me it's nothing but brilliant. I just hope they don't change too much and return to stale. I never enjoyed a match day like this in my short stint. 

the new opposition reports are certainly welcome. 

[craiigman]

Does FM21 work on Mac OS Big Sur? The update is out to download but would like to carry on playing.

[sgevolker]

vor einer Stunde schrieb XaW:

Just to into your second team schedule and arrange it as normal.

Doesn't work, because the team is not playing in any league. 

[RTHerringbone]

16 minutes ago, craiigman said:

Does FM21 work on Mac OS Big Sur? The update is out to download but would like to carry on playing.

Yep. I installed the new OS yesterday and it's fine.

[XaW]

4 minutes ago, sgevolker said:

Doesn't work, because the team is not playing in any league. 

Shouldn't matter. My 2nd team doesn't play in any league and I can arrange it as normal.

[sgevolker]

I can only arrange matches for my U19 but not for my second team. 

 

 

[strippdogg]

While trying to accept a loan offer, my screen is now stuck on this. 
 

looks like it’s not filled the screen properly, I can’t report it as a bug. I’m going to have to force a quit now and loose whatever games I’ve played   

Edit. 

Pressing space sorts it out, but skips a day or 2  

 

Edited November 15, 2020 by strippdogg

[autohoratio]

2 minutes ago, sgevolker said:

I can only arrange matches for my U19 but not for my second team. 

 

 

Might be because Bochum don't have a II team - perhaps worth raising as a bug

[Tonton_Zola]

Hello all. 
I have been playing The Beta for a few days now and wanted to share some thoughts:

 

Firstly, sincere congratulations to SI for producing all of this during the most trying of circumstances.

 

Clearly, FM21 is - by most reasonable benchmarks - a ‘bloody good game.’ The match engine, perhaps above all else, is a triumph this time around, while the core mechanics of the series (recruitment, tactics,  databases) remain a treat.

 

However, there are a few, hopefully constructive points I would like to make:

...in practical terms...

- The UI, particularly around match day, can be busy and overwhelming. Hierarchies of information are often unclear, and - even as a seasoned player - I sometimes struggle to know where to focus. 
 

- Press conferences and media interactions feel laborious and fiddly. I sometimes feel like I am playing a kind of elaborate mini-game, neither pleasurable nor immersive. Emphasis on this area over the last 5 years or so is yet to yield return - and I worry that “emotional modelling” is a battle SI might be better off not picking! 
 

- Endless pokes, prompts and counsel from assistants can make the game feel ‘procedural’, like a sequence of algorithmically-guided buttons to press. I want to dream that I am a football manager, not follow disapppointingly-accurate advice from a series of digital lackeys. This is personal and subjective I know, and goes back to the core of the long-standing ‘realism vs entertainment’ debate.

 

In broader terms:

 

- somebody needs to take a SERIOUS look at the way data is presented to the player. There are moments where, at risk of sounding undiplomatic, what I am presented with amounts to a “dog’s dinner” of metrics upon metrics.

- connected to the above, as a higher order point, the game would do well to think not just about what it “adds”, but rather what it needs to “leave out.” I have the sensation of something almost ‘overstuffed’ at this point - layer upon layer welded awkwardly on top of each other. In simple terms, even the full-fat version of the game needs a trim. What is the game really about? What does it think matters most? Where are the ‘loose threads’ of the game that add nothing and need to be put out of their misery? 

- Again, following on from this thought about clarity of purpose and focus, is development time being spent in the right areas? How many man hours went into an arguably futile re-write of an already excellent team talk screen? How much time has gone into reworking tones of voice as gestural ‘emojis’? I can’t speak for others, but - in my view - that focus might have been spent aimed at the core of would make this great game even greater (for me, at least):

- a transformative look at the way youth development works - from academy DNA projects to youth recruitment policies to non-linear player development curves...even just hiring somebody to make those newgen faces age and mature in different ways! if in doubt, hire somebody from Paradox Interactive!!

- a fresh look at player attributes. How could these be refreshed, tweaked, or better reflected in the match engine?

- addition of “random events” (both within football, but also within the wider game world) that contribute to feeling of immersion. Some would be significant (a cash windfall from a sponsor floated on the stock market) some could be minor (a player suddenly gaining new focus from a life event) but all of this helps to ‘build a world’ for the player. Again, so much could be learned from Paradox type games here. 

...I could go on and on, but no doubt risk boring people to tears...!

So much promise in where this brilliant franchise goes next. I just hope that SI continues to see the bigger picture, rather than getting lost in the endless cycle of bugs, optimisations, firefighting and “digital sticky plasters.” 
 

big love!

 

 

 

 

[GOODNAME]

ME is really great but i think there is most of the opposition teams doesn't attack you enough when you played against them in your home ground.

+ some weird behaviors by GK, sometimes they just missing easy saves

But overall, ME is great.

But my main concerns is the matchday UI, please bring back last 10 minutes possessions bar and the time bar 

[StormenDK]

I like this: 

Finally one can get a sense of what is actually going on with mentoring.

Also I like this small addition:

I would still like this information to show in the 'Add player' list, along with 'Estimated influence on group'. Why do I have to add players to see this, just to have to move people around afterwards? 

 

**Edit**: Rethinking the feature request, it will probably not be possible to show Estimated effect in the player list, as that is based on the group the player is included in. But it WOULD be very nice to be able to see the influence of each player in the list. This is especially useful for first setup in a new club, when you don't know the players well.

Edited November 16, 2020 by StormenDK

[Icy]

How are you guys recording goals in game? I have some beauties to share but can't find the option. I save them and I get a mesage that I'll be able to upload them when the game ends but then I don't see the option anywhere.

[autohoratio]

3 minutes ago, Icy said:

How are you guys recording goals in game? I have some beauties to share but can't find the option. I save them and I get a mesage that I'll be able to upload them when the game ends but then I don't see the option anywhere.

Exporting clips being missing is a known bug, at the moment I'm just recording with OBS

[craiigman]

42 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said:

Yep. I installed the new OS yesterday and it's fine.

Thank you

[Svenc]

I've yet to check long-term stats myself (will be a project of mine), but may I suggest an xG tutorial. Also, the first thing I predicted in my mind when SI introduced xG, was players going "broken" when a one on one mostly gets an accordingly rating in the 0.3 xG range.  Posters on the Twittersphere go bonkers over Caley, 11tegen11, Between The Posts, Knutson et all themselves every time they see such. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Svenc

[Brighton123]

Edit - Raised as potential bug

 

 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Brighton123

[kiwityke1983]

2 minutes ago, Svenc said:

I've yet to check long-term stats myself (will be a project of mine), but may I suggest an xG tutorial. Also, the first thing I predicted in my mind when SI introduced xG, was players going "broken" when a one on one mostly gets an accordingly rating in the 0.3 xG range.  Posters on the Twittersphere go bonkers over Caley, 11tegen11 et all themselves every time they see such. 

Last year I was both conceding less than XG predicted and scoring way more than it predicted. It was one of the reasons I wanted to tweek my tactics for this season as I knew that wouldn't last forever. The way the ME is this year even when a striker misses a great chance I'm just oh bloody hell because it's a fairly rare occurrence.

[XaW]

12 minutes ago, Icy said:

How are you guys recording goals in game? I have some beauties to share but can't find the option. I save them and I get a mesage that I'll be able to upload them when the game ends but then I don't see the option anywhere.

I'm using a program called ScreenToGif and upload to Imgur to make the gifs I've posted in this thread. For me, that works quite nicely.

[KloppRodgersHodgson]

1 hour ago, thiagoanjo said:

Yeah, I already could do that seeing the screen of shots and ccc/hc. xG didnt add nothing to how I analyze the creation of my team. 

Since it is only an analyzes of just the last second of the shot, it doesnt working for me, I like to analyze the whole play, not the kind of shot my player choose to finish it.

I got an 1v1 with less than 9m from bar, the game return a 0.31 xG, absolutely no way players would lose 7 from 10 attempt in that chance. The problem was the game only takes in consideration the shot, but the player could make a dribble for left, for right, dip, shot with Power, etc, so it only make the calculation for the kind of finish the player decided to do

I saw your clip and thought 0.3 was OK, all things considered 🧐

[brad71]

So far so good, my only minor criticism is on the match day team talk when i want to do an individual team talk surely its better to tick the one or ones its aimed at rather than unticking most of the team?

[fm2020.smith]

end of season is completely broke and ruins the game.

everyone you bought wants to leave as you havnt played them in their preferred position. completely ruins the game.

the players dont grumble all season and then right at the end hit you with transfer requests.

also more feedback and maybe linked but clubs are really harsh with their feedback and expectations.

liverpool board unhappy as i came second premiership with 95 points and only lost 3 games and have a champions league final.

they are unhappy if you draw with man city away from home

they are unhappy if you draw with barcelona away 

i think the expectations of players and clubs is obviosley linked as they are both a bit silly at mo

[McBride]

There's no possession bar in the match anymore so it's hard to know how you are doing in between animations.

[McBride]

In the match it's hard to see how the players are affected by your shouts.