Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, arenaross said: He's got to just pick one of Phillips or Rice. Madness to be having them both there passing sideways to each other. Against Croatia it showed it can work against certain teams, but against anyone who's going to play anything resembling a low block one of them needs to be benched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCanuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Too late to bring Ward-Prowse in and click the 'Play for Set-pieces' button? They've got Mings, Stones, DCL, Rice, start White at WB to get another one in there, and you've got a lot of aerial presence. As opposed to the current mopey teenager presence. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ajw10 said: Find it so frustrating that Sterling is getting the bulk of the criticism. He was the only one making good runs in the box towards the end. He stays on because his movement is exceptional, and the likes of Kane, Foden, Mount, Grealish etc should have enough quality on the ball to offset his weaker technical ability. His runs were great. Just a shame that every time he got the ball Scotland had it a few seconds later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ryan045 said: Bad game, but I wouldn’t rush to much to change things. We’re still sitting nice on 4 points. Did you watch that performance? Wouldn't change much? Grealish is far better starting than being used as an impact sub. Foden should never have been taken off and Kane needs to be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, brett.spurs said: It's almost as if a striker needs service or something. Kane was still absolutely horrific, regardless of service (which, yeah, was dreadful too.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Need a striker who’s going to play high up and lead the line. No point whatsoever having Kane constantly dropping back into the space that Mount, Foden and Sterling occupy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Mr Adam said: His runs were great. Just a shame that every time he got the ball Scotland had it a few seconds later well yeah, he was poor in possession. But he stays on because we don't have any other forward as good as him off of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Pukey said: Against Croatia it showed it can work against certain teams, but against anyone who's going to play anything resembling a low block one of them needs to be benched. Croatia weren't expecting Phillips to be, at times, the most offensive midfielder. The "cat was out of the bag" in this game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Pukey said: Kane was still absolutely horrific, regardless of service (which, yeah, was dreadful too.) Rashford actually started moving the defenders about. They had to do more than just walk after him Play a couple of progressive passing midfielders behind him and you might be onto something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, cyclonus1010 said: He is amazing, Baptista quoted him last night, "as cool as the other side of the pillow" I'd have him replace Jeff Stelling on Soccer Saturday, Jeff has some of him quipps fed to him, McCoist wouldn't need anyone To be fair I love McCoist. Humble and always positive, what a guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Seriously though, bring Greenwood on for Sterling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lermon Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'm so pleased with that result. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I thought Raheem Sterling caused us all sorts of problems with his intelligent runs. Done more than any of the other front players. Should have had a penalty in all honesty. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Who thinks Grealish will start next match and Sancho? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 That dopey **** hasnt brought enough midfielders and is pretty much forced into playing Phillips and Rice Unless we go.. Pickford Walker--Maguire(*)--Stones James--Phillips--Mount--Chilwell Foden--Kane--Sterling or 4-4-2... Pickford James--Maguire(*)--Stones--Shaw Foden--Phillips--Mount--Rashford Kane--Calvert Lewin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) No club is signing Kane for £100m+ based on these performances Edited June 18, 2021 by pearcey_90 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Has someone told Gareth he can make 5 subs? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Maybe I'm being harsh on Sterling as he did make a few good runs but failed to control the ball any time someone tried to find him, which wasn't very often. I'd still have taken him off for either Rashford or Sancho. Once Rashford came on him and sterling almost collided running into the same space on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Christoph Kramer ripping into England. Chaotic defending, no attacking ideas, hoofball, no individual player standing up, basically lucky to get a point because they were never going to score. Ouch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Also need to echo the love for McCoist. Genuinely the best co-commentator around. Good insights, loves the game, throws in some comedy. Needs to be the lead Co commentator. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'd love to see Saka given a real go btw. Really lively player, good in possession and his movement is the closest to Sterling's. Only issue is his finishing is still a bit ropey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, av3ry said: That dopey **** hasnt brought enough midfielders and is pretty much forced into playing Phillips and Rice Unless we go.. Pickford Walker--Maguire(*)--Stones James--Phillips--Mount--Chilwell Foden--Kane--Sterling or 4-4-2... Pickford James--Maguire(*)--Stones--Shaw Foden--Phillips--Mount--Rashford Kane--Calvert Lewin Don't see them going three at the back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, cyclonus1010 said: Croatia weren't expecting Phillips to be, at times, the most offensive midfielder. The "cat was out of the bag" in this game though. They also weren't playing a low block, so Phillips' pressing didn't have any real positive impact as Scotland just bypassed it by playing long. Really don't know how he didn't figure out this was an issue and leave Foden on, and take off Rice or Phillips for Grealish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'm not saying STV are getting carried away but they've called this a victory at least twice in the last few minutes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, thefmveteran86 said: Who thinks Grealish will start next match and Sancho? No chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, CaptCanuck said: They've got Mings He should be the greatest threat at set pieces, offensively. Being 6'5 doesn't mean you are any good in the air. 5'9 Tim Cahill more of a threat in the air offensively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Any danger that England throw their last game and play for the draw to finish in 2nd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, cyclonus1010 said: Croatia weren't expecting Phillips to be, at times, the most offensive midfielder. The "cat was out of the bag" in this game though. He wasn't nullified he was playing a holding role, like has been common under Southgate. Croatia was an exception, not the rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'd like to claim some special prescience but this was just obvious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ginnybob said: Also need to echo the love for McCoist. Genuinely the best co-commentator around. Good insights, loves the game, throws in some comedy. Needs to be the lead Co commentator. He was like a proud parent. So proud of his boys out there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Pukey said: They also weren't playing a low block, so Phillips' pressing didn't have any real positive impact as Scotland just bypassed it by playing long. Really don't know how he didn't figure out this was an issue and leave Foden on, and take off Rice or Phillips for Grealish. That's the drawback with Southgate, he's always going to be cautious. I guess he felt that a draw was fine and it wasn't worth risking going for a win. In all fairness, England's best players didn't really show up and I'm not sure how much of that is actually on Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted June 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 18, 2021 Absolutely terrible by England. Grealish comes on and can't effect the game. We need to change the way we're set up. But as I said before in the England thread, I can't see Gareth dropping Sterling, and so probably not Kane either. Scotland deserved to win that I think, they just wanted it more. Robbo, Gilmour were outstanding, Dykes unlucky not to nick a goal. England all but through now, but I can't work out what the third place team ends up in. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 It’s coming home. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ajw10 said: Find it so frustrating that Sterling is getting the bulk of the criticism. He was the only one making good runs in the box towards the end. He stays on because his movement is exceptional, and the likes of Kane, Foden, Mount, Grealish etc should have enough quality on the ball to offset his weaker technical ability. He was lazier than Kane for the first hour, which is inexcusable for a guy who's picked mainly for his movement. Hardly surprising he was the one with a bit of energy left to dribble into opponents at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted June 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bigwig said: Kane constantly dropping back into the space that Mount, Foden and Sterling occupy. I think this is a tactical thing with Kane, drop into space for Sterling to get in behind. I think if you're going to drop one, you need to drop both and change the way you play. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Pukey said: They also weren't playing a low block, so Phillips' pressing didn't have any real positive impact as Scotland just bypassed it by playing long. Really don't know how he didn't figure out this was an issue and leave Foden on, and take off Rice or Phillips for Grealish. Its southgate, when does he ever take off 1 of his 2 holders? He's the dullest and most boring manager at the tournament. People keep posting these adventurous lineups like we dont already have 4 years of Southgate to know better. We all know it'll be Rice/Phillips again on Tuesday and we know Kane and Sterling will both start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, enigmatic said: He was lazier than Kane for the first hour, which is inexcusable for a guy who's picked mainly for his movement. Hardly surprising he was the one with a bit of energy left to dribble into opponents at the end. was he though? I don't think this is fair at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: I'm not saying STV are getting carried away but they've called this a victory at least twice in the last few minutes... Scotland were brilliant, and it’s more than just effort etc - they played really well. But they haven’t scored yet this tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, av3ry said: That dopey **** hasnt brought enough midfielders and is pretty much forced into playing Phillips and Rice Unless we go.. Pickford Walker--Maguire(*)--Stones James--Phillips--Mount--Chilwell Foden--Kane--Sterling or 4-4-2... Pickford James--Maguire(*)--Stones--Shaw Foden--Phillips--Mount--Rashford Kane--Calvert Lewin Still have Henderson (if fit) and Bellingham (who I'd play against Czech Rep). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Astafjevs said: Any danger that England throw their last game and play for the draw to finish in 2nd Giving how well Czechs have pressed in their two games, just a normal game from us will see us only get a draw at best Henderson/Maguire start next game just for the fact they have to get minutes, otherwise they’re not featuring for the whole tournament and their social involvement is pointless. Probably see Grealish over Foden, as Foden on a booking. And the full backs changed yet again, maybe Trippier RB and Chilwell LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Lucas said: I think this is a tactical thing with Kane, drop into space for Sterling to get in behind. I think if you're going to drop one, you need to drop both and change the way you play. I could see that working better in a 4-3-3 where he’s dropping into space, but at the moment he’s dropping on top of his own players and just congesting the area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 We should have grabbed Scotland by the scruff of the neck (not literally) and punished but very great defensively, we need Sancho and Grealish against Czechs surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: Any danger that England throw their last game and play for the draw to finish in 2nd 0-0 is absolutely nailed on. Qualifies us both in 1st-2nd whatever happens in the other game. Let the Czechs face Portugal/Germany/France and we can go and play Sweden or Slovakia or someone. Gareth's played a blinder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, CMOZZA said: Did you watch that performance? Wouldn't change much? Grealish is far better starting than being used as an impact sub. Foden should never have been taken off and Kane needs to be dropped. I would keep Kane, he’s still our best striker. I’d try 1 DM + Mount vs Czech and see how the turns out. That gives a space for Grealish/Sancho to make us more fluid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Bigwig said: I could see that working better in a 4-3-3 where he’s dropping into space, but at the moment he’s dropping on top of his own players and just congesting the area. We're are congested in the area just outside and around the box anyway, it has to be tactical and it's bloody awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 My ratings. This might be harsh. I’m drunk Pickford - 7 - our MoM James - 6 Mings - 6 Stones - 5 Shaw - 5 Rice - 5 Phillips - 5 Mount - 5 Sterling - 5 Foden - 6 Kane - 4 Grealish - 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lucas said: I think this is a tactical thing with Kane, drop into space for Sterling to get in behind. I think if you're going to drop one, you need to drop both and change the way you play. I think it's a fitness thing too. Kane can't constantly run in behind with those ankles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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