Adamm90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Scott Brown looks like he's got a court case coming up. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 We finish 2nd we likely end up with France in the Quarters, it's completely pointless just for an "easier" round of 16 draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Gary Nev: "its not down to selection or tactics" Proceeds to talk about lack of pressing? That's tactics Nev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Adamm90 said: Scott Brown looks like he's got a court case coming up. Doesn't he always? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 This thing with Kane dropping deep is all well and good but all too often we are left with someone getting to the edge of the box and there being literally nobody to cross it into, or maybe one midfielder has just about got there but there are like 4-5 defenders and they are impossible to pick out, so we end up just playing it back and the defence is organised again. If you're going to have a centre forward who drops deep you need a much better system for getting other players into the box, or you need Kane to be much faster at getting back up to the top of the field again once he's passed it out wide, which he doesn't seem capable of at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Adam said: My ratings. This might be harsh. I’m drunk Pickford - 7 - our MoM James - 6 Mings - 6 Stones - 5 Shaw - 5 Rice - 5 Phillips - 5 Mount - 5 Sterling - 5 Foden - 6 Kane - 4 Grealish - 6 Thought Stones played well tbh, some good blocks in important moments. But hardly earth shattering when your centre back is one of your best players against Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Marc Albrighton said: Its southgate, when does he ever take off 1 of his 2 holders? He's the dullest and most boring manager at the tournament. People keep posting these adventurous lineups like we dont already have 4 years of Southgate to know better. We all know it'll be Rice/Phillips again on Tuesday and we know Kane and Sterling will both start. To be fair it might not be Rice/Phillips on Tuesday. Henderson might be fit and it will be Rice/Henderson which is marginally better. I was actually massive surprised Henderson didn't get onto the pitch tonight maybe he isn't going to fit enough to actually play a game and Southgate has ****ed the squad selection by not bringing enough midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Don't get anyone who can constantly defend Southgate. He even looked like a rabbit in the headlights on the touchline. He knows he's a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ryan045 said: I would keep Kane, he’s still our best striker. I’d try 1 DM + Mount vs Czech and see how the turns out. That gives a space for Grealish/Sancho to make us more fluid. Kane is no one's best striker playing the way that he has the last two games. Barely even a player, let alone a striker. Needs a kick up the arse to know he can't just stroll around the pitch at a major tournament. Embarrassment. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I've decided we're Portugaling our way to victory anyway so I can sleep easier 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Souness seems to be both arguing that England were only bad because Scotland were so good whilst also saying Scotland were the only side trying to play football 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Mings happy with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Id love to see a proper MNF analysis of that game from Neville, because the amounts I saw Foden and Sterling making runs into space, and either the defender or the middle 2 on the ball, just made a sideward or backwards pass, was embarrassing 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 GO ON SOUNESS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 ITV asking every player interviewed about Kane going off like it’s some major talking point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pukey said: We finish 2nd we likely end up with France in the Quarters, it's completely pointless just for an "easier" round of 16 draw. We have no easy draw. If we want to win we have to play the top teams eventually anyway. This whole finish 2nd for an easier draw is a myth. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Katarian said: To be fair it might not be Rice/Phillips on Tuesday. Henderson might be fit and it will be Rice/Henderson which is marginally better. I was actually massive surprised Henderson didn't get onto the pitch tonight maybe he isn't going to fit enough to actually play a game and Southgate has ****ed the squad selection by not bringing enough midfielders. Well whatever the combination, the point is it will be 2 holders and a far from positive team and i think everyone said he ****ed up with the midfielders, 4 right backs when we dont have any midfielders and our best DM not played for 4 months. The guy is a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Southgate going with the narrative that Scotland defended well and we couldn’t break them down. If anything it was us holding on for a draw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Gareth not only ruining a Euros 25 years ago but he's still doing it now. **** off. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He gets a load of stick but we would kill for someone with the passing ability of Xhaka in our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: 0-0 is absolutely nailed on. Qualifies us both in 1st-2nd whatever happens in the other game. Let the Czechs face Portugal/Germany/France and we can go and play Sweden or Slovakia or someone. Gareth's played a blinder. I can see him changing the XI to throw it. 2nd place does mean more travel and maybe France in the QF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: 0-0 is absolutely nailed on. Qualifies us both in 1st-2nd whatever happens in the other game. Let the Czechs face Portugal/Germany/France and we can go and play Sweden or Slovakia or someone. Gareth's played a blinder. It is homecoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) Southgate going to drop himself - hang on. It’s the teams inexperience that caused that? Why haven’t we had more games against those teams then? Inexperience. Foden was our best attacker ffs Edited June 18, 2021 by JJ72 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 There is nothing in Englands games that are 'huge intensity'. Southgate is such a mug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Bellingham has to start against the Czechs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 "Why did you take off Harry Kane. Because Captain. Talisman. Top scorer" Because he was ****, Gabriel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, aiston said: There is nothing in Englands games that are 'huge intensity'. Southgate is such a mug He never answers a question directly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: Bellingham has to start against the Czechs Definitely would start him yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Think today also showed how much we miss a player like Jordan Henderson. He’d have got that game under control. Instead we had a team of leaderless players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pukey said: We finish 2nd we likely end up with France in the Quarters, it's completely pointless just for an "easier" round of 16 draw. Based on what? If Portugal beat Germany and Portugal and France draw then Portugal could easily top that group on goal difference. Then on another day Portugal are easily fragile enough to implode against a 3rd place team in the R16 and we get a R16 and a QF game where we are big favourites. We are in a great position now where we can wait for a few more games to play out and then go for a win if we want to be in one half of the draw or play out a 0-0 if we want to be in the other. If we don't attack the Czechs they will absolutely settle for a draw as well because they know they will finish 1st/2nd as long as they avoid defeat and neither Croatia or Czechs will be able to catch them. Edited June 18, 2021 by Rob1981 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Mr Adam said: Think today also showed how much we miss a player like Jordan Henderson. He’d have got that game under control. Instead we had a team of leaderless players. Hmm not sure about that 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, aiston said: There is nothing in Englands games that are 'huge intensity'. Southgate is such a mug He’s managed to keep the champions league winning left back as third choice as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Id love to see a proper MNF analysis of that game from Neville, because the amounts I saw Foden and Sterling making runs into space, and either the defender or the middle 2 on the ball, just made a sideward or backwards pass, was embarrassing You can tell he wanted to go into a rant style, but can’t because it’s ITV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: Based on what? If Portugal beat Germany and Portugal and France draw then Portugal could easily top that group on goal difference. Then on another day Portugal are easily fragile enough to implode against a 3rd place team in the R16. We are in a great position now where we can wait for a few more games to play out and then go for a win if we want to be in one half of the draw or play out a 0-0 if we want to be in the other. If we don't attack the Czechs they will absolutely settle for a draw as well because they know they will finish 1st/2nd as long as they avoid defeat and neither Croatia or Czechs will be able to catch them. Or lose if we perform like that again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: Hmm not sure about that Nobody seems to notice how much he does until he’s not there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: Based on what? If Portugal beat Germany and Portugal and France draw then Portugal could easily top that group on goal difference. Then on another day Portugal are easily fragile enough to implode against a 3rd place team in the R16 and we get a R16 and a QF game where we are big favourites. We are in a great position now where we can wait for a few more games to play out and then go for a win if we want to be in one half of the draw or play out a 0-0 if we want to be in the other. If we don't attack the Czechs they will absolutely settle for a draw as well because they know they will finish 1st/2nd as long as they avoid defeat and neither Croatia or Czechs will be able to catch them. Based on France being comfortably the best team in that group and very likely winning it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr Adam said: He’s managed to keep the champions league winning left back as third choice as well I mean the fact that someone's won the CL can mean absolutely nothing. I'd rather people talk about his ability in particular, and he is fantastic going forward, our most composed LB for sure. Edited June 18, 2021 by Baptista_8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCanuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Based on what? If Portugal beat Germany and Portugal and France draw then Portugal could easily top that group on goal difference. Then on another day Portugal are easily fragile enough to implode against a 3rd place team in the R16 and we get a R16 and a QF game where we are big favourites. We are in a great position now where we can wait for a few more games to play out and then go for a win if we want to be in one half of the draw or play out a 0-0 if we want to be in the other. If we don't attack the Czechs they will absolutely settle for a draw as well because they know they will finish 1st/2nd as long as they avoid defeat and neither Croatia or Czechs will be able to catch them. It's funny you think England is in that much control of whether they win or lose. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, JJ72 said: Or lose if we perform like that again. We're probably 2nd at worst anyway unless Scotland beat Croatia by 2 goals (I think? @Rob1981) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Probably lose to Slovakia at this rate any case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted June 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: If we don't attack the Czechs they will absolutely settle for a draw as well because they know they will finish 1st/2nd as long as they avoid defeat and neither Croatia or Czechs will be able to catch them. Might want to czech that again... But yeah our last game is probably not going to be that huge as both sides almost certainly through. More interesting for me is who will start and play. I would like to see Bellingham and Sancho start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: I mean the fact that someone's won the CL can mean absolutely nothing I'd rather people talk about his ability generally, and he is fantastic going forward, our most composed LB for sure. It was in response to southgate saying we have players that aren’t used to playing in high intensity games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: Bellingham has to start against the Czechs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: I mean the fact that someone's won the CL can mean absolutely nothing I'd rather people talk about his ability generally, and he is fantastic going forward, our most composed LB for sure. Wouldn't surprise me if he changed the full backs again next game. Not sure he has a clue what he wants there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 England might be in the situation that after Monday's games, we already know that we're through whatever happens (at this point we can't finish any lower than 3rd in the group, and 2 teams may end up on 3 points in 3rd in the Groups A/B/C). We can go as adventurous as we like then to see if we can work out a better way of playing. If he's worried about starting Bellingham because he's 17 it won't matter in that game, so do it. Can test Maguire's fitness too. Heck try a fluid front 3 with a False 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Not sure what the point of putting Saka on the bench is if you're not going to bring him on for either Shaw or Sterling when you want a goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Barry Cartman said: Not sure what the point of putting Saka on the bench is if you're not going to bring him on for either Shaw or Sterling when you want a goal Saka wasn’t on the bench was he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdunk Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Barry Cartman said: Not sure what the point off putting Saka on the bench is if you're not going to bring him on for either Shaw or Sterling when you want a goal Saka wasn’t on the bench tonight. Him, White and Walker were the 3 to miss out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Barry Cartman said: Not sure what the point of putting Saka on the bench is if you're not going to bring him on for either Shaw or Sterling when you want a goal Saka not even in the squad today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 We are through, no team is going home on 4 pts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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