Football Manager 2019 Official Feedback Thread

[pauly15]

43 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said:

To jump on this one before it gets legs - the way ratings work currently will not adversely effect player development at all.

But what about the "play youth at an appropriate level"? Can I get away with playing a 15 year old in my first team?

[skam]

4 hours ago, b28937 said:

My feedback is that FM is so good, last year I bought FM18 on pre-order and never even installed the game.  Did the same thing this year with FM19 and still haven’t installed it either.

Reason is, I feel like a prisoner on death row.  Installing and starting to play is like volunteering to be taken to the gallows.  I know my life will be over...

FM is like poisoned wine, I have to resist the temptation to drink it.

(My opinion on how good it is despite having never played it is based on addictively watching “let’s plays” on Youtube.)

You've purchased FM18, never actually installed it and still chosed to purchase FM19, which you probably won't be installing either.

 

Man, you are crazy.

[Seb Wassell]

2 minutes ago, pauly15 said:

But what about the "play youth at an appropriate level"? Can I get away with playing a 15 year old in my first team?

If he's good enough, sure, but he's probably not.

If I assume you are not simply being facetious - the difference between a 6.4 and a 6.8 not having "serious" development knock-ons does not equal a 5.2 having no impact on development.

[99]

4 horas atrás, b28937 disse:

My feedback is that FM is so good, last year I bought FM18 on pre-order and never even installed the game.  Did the same thing this year with FM19 and still haven’t installed it either.

Reason is, I feel like a prisoner on death row.  Installing and starting to play is like volunteering to be taken to the gallows.  I know my life will be over...

FM is like poisoned wine, I have to resist the temptation to drink it.

(My opinion on how good it is despite having never played it is based on addictively watching “let’s plays” on Youtube.)

[Amarante]

On the matter of the AMC. If you play him as a Playmaker or any role that you are expecting through balls from you won't get any. But ibn terms of scoring goals it works perfectly fine. 

[pauly15]

47 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said:

If he's good enough, sure, but he's probably not.

If I assume you are not simply being facetious - the difference between a 6.4 and a 6.8 not having "serious" development knock-ons does not equal a 5.2 having no impact on development.

Gotcha. Wasn't being facetious I took from your last that ratings weren't relevant in development.

[Seb Wassell]

10 minutes ago, pauly15 said:

Gotcha. Wasn't being facetious I took from your last that ratings weren't relevant in development.

[jc1]

I've noticed that with a close down more you get 2-3 players all closing down 1 player at the same time, when it happens it looks stupid, like a mass gang attack.

[Dagenham_Dave]

2 minutes ago, jc1 said:

I've noticed that with a close down more you get 2-3 players all closing down 1 player at the same time, when it happens it looks stupid, like a mass gang attack.

I guess Belgium used close down much much much much more....

 

[Amarante]

7 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

I guess Belgium used close down much much much much more....

 

Thats in the 70s and 80s. Pressing isn't like that anymore.

 

Anyone else hitting the woodwork at a minimum of 3 times every game. So frustrating. 

[forameuss]

5 minutes ago, Amarante said:

Thats in the 70s and 80s. Pressing isn't like that anymore.

 

Anyone else hitting the woodwork at a minimum of 3 times every game. So frustrating. 

It's also a photoshopped picture as far as I'm aware, so it wasn't ever like that.

EDIT: Actually, after I posted, went to check.  I was thinking of one of Messi a wee while back which was photoshopped.  This one wasn't, but it's also a bit misleading.  Without going into the link, basically he's received the ball straight from a free-kick, and you're seeing a second after the wall split up.

Edited November 22, 2018 by forameuss

[yezzko]

some observations:

keepers are still not able to distribute quickly despite the option being there - it's the same at least since fm15, they are waiting 10+ seconds with no opponent nearby

players refusing to pass the ball back to defender or keeper or anynybody who can relieve them from pressure - looks utterly stupid

throw ins straight to the opposition

throw ins aimed at head when there is free teammate nearby in better position

defender hoofing the ball upfield despite play from the back selected - doesn't matter if they have teammate nearby in a lot of space

strikers trying to break offside line when there is no need - probably workaround for so many longballs that would lead to many 1v1's

wide players waiting for cross to be blocked despite having time - utterly stupid, probably workaround for poor defending of crosses

seemingly 90% of corners are from blocked crosses

[timmy]

Through balls are not so common in my game, but when I do get it with Dortmund, Paco Alcacer who has good stats and i regard as an above average striker often shoots it straight at the keeper or high and wide. Very rarely do I seem to see goals scored 1 on 1 with the keeper whereas in real life especially with top class players they don't miss the chances often. I recall seeing youtube video of Fm 19 (beta i think) of players even going round the keeper which was so impressive but I have yet to see that in my game. Does anybody also feel the same? Do only the really worldclass strikers in the game like Ronaldo/Messi etc have the same problem?   Was it better in the beta?

[RobertPage]

8 hours ago, Tom8983 said:

It literally tells you what the issues are right underneath it. Zaha is asking to leave, Kelly wants to leave, your form has dropped, you've got a lot of contrasting personalities in the squad, etc etc. You've a lot more problems than what you initially say in your post.

I’m aware of those issues. They’re not new issues (should have made that more clear) and were there when atmosphere was almost full. The swing is 100% down to a minor drop in form. The dramatic change is a bit off imo

EDIT: Dressing Room Atmosphere bar now full just 23 days later. This section seems to be 100% about form and doesn't really mean anything from what I've played so far

 

Edited November 22, 2018 by RobertPage
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[RandomGuy.]

1 hour ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

I guess Belgium used close down much much much much more....

 

 

1 hour ago, Amarante said:

Thats in the 70s and 80s. Pressing isn't like that anymore.

 

Anyone else hitting the woodwork at a minimum of 3 times every game. So frustrating. 

 

1 hour ago, forameuss said:

It's also a photoshopped picture as far as I'm aware, so it wasn't ever like that.

EDIT: Actually, after I posted, went to check.  I was thinking of one of Messi a wee while back which was photoshopped.  This one wasn't, but it's also a bit misleading.  Without going into the link, basically he's received the ball straight from a free-kick, and you're seeing a second after the wall split up.

Yes, it's a tremendous example of how misleading things can be based on which angle you're viewing it.

[Dziugas11]

Has anyone played FM19 on new Macbook Air? I can't decide whether to go with Air or Pro and  Air's ability to let FM19 work properly is basically the only thing that concerns me.

[BigV]

1 hour ago, timmy said:

Through balls are not so common in my game, but when I do get it with Dortmund, Paco Alcacer who has good stats and i regard as an above average striker often shoots it straight at the keeper or high and wide. Very rarely do I seem to see goals scored 1 on 1 with the keeper whereas in real life especially with top class players they don't miss the chances often. I recall seeing youtube video of Fm 19 (beta i think) of players even going round the keeper which was so impressive but I have yet to see that in my game. Does anybody also feel the same? Do only the really worldclass strikers in the game like Ronaldo/Messi etc have the same problem?   Was it better in the beta?

Yeah 1v1's seem to be off, hits the post a couple of times or gets saved, those that get behind the line more or less rarely score often because of this

[jujigatame]

Anyone else see some bizarre sweeper keeper behavior?  Just saw Jordan Pickford charge out after a long ball, completely miss it, then rush backwards to prevent it from going into the goal, and then bat it around, allowing the striker an easy tap in.  It was ridiculous.  And he still ended up with a 7.1 rating.

[zlatanera]

First time encountering this in the game (only my 2nd save, first in Argentina). As someone who spends a lot of time obsessing over this sort of thing (happiest of my rare CL wins on FM was when we had literally 100x less wage spend than the other finalist), I like it!

[bar333]

I actually don't have many problems with 1v1's in FM19. They still feel a bit off, and it's probably for the best as right now with the correct setup you can create multiple 1v1's a game via balls over the top, but overall I feel like I'm seeing them scored way more often than in FM18 where in every 1v1 I'd have bet everything I own on a miss. They were literally meaningless in 18, complete waste of time even showing you the highlight.

Some of the match engine issues brought up e.g GK's not distributing quickly, utterly nonsensical and illogical throw ins straight at the opposition etc are long standing issues that have been around for years. I'd add another eternal problem with the ME which is players using their head in situations where there is absolutely no need, like the player AI goes "ball in air, must use head" regardless of the situation and whether they have the space to shoot with feet or even get the ball under control. There are so many terrible headers straight to opposition, flick ons to absolutely no one but the opposition keeper etc that should never even happen because the player has acres of space to get the ball under control.

It is somewhat disappointing that the years go by without any of these being addressed. But for now I'd just take some fixes to the major issues unique to this year's ME.

[pats]

Any feedback on new ME 1916 changes? I won't be able to play FM for next 14 hours.

[GOODNAME]

45 minutes ago, jujigatame said:

Anyone else see some bizarre sweeper keeper behavior?  Just saw Jordan Pickford charge out after a long ball, completely miss it, then rush backwards to prevent it from going into the goal, and then bat it around, allowing the striker an easy tap in.  It was ridiculous.  And he still ended up with a 7.1 rating.

My biggest problem is shots goes straight do the keeper somehow went in

[BadAss88]

23 minutes ago, pats said:

Any feedback on new ME 1916 changes? I won't be able to play FM for next 14 hours.

Is it already out then?

[wicksyFM]

25 minutes ago, pats said:

Any feedback on new ME 1916 changes?

What is this new ME you speak of

[SazoJohnno]

Public beta, that's what. 

[Dagenham_Dave]

6 minutes ago, wicksyFM said:

What is this new ME you speak of

Public Beta, was released earlier. You'd had to have signed up for it to be part of it. Sorry, only the cool kids got in 

Seriously though, no idea if they're still allowing people access or not. 

[pats]

7 minutes ago, wicksyFM said:

What is this new ME you speak of

 

[GOODNAME]

5 minutes ago, pats said:

 

In general the ME are :

Number of offside fixes

Fixes for penalties being given incorrectly

General improvements to the match AI

But they are said that they working on some other ME changes.. so i think next week we will get new patch with other ME changes 

[wicksyFM]

11 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Public Beta, was released earlier. You'd had to have signed up for it to be part of it. Sorry, only the cool kids got in 

HAHA. I was just late to the party. Im in now

[BigV]

Whats this talk about the public beta? Im guessing it's like the previous beta where people play the game and assist with bug reports to help crack down issues, how does this differ from the full game? is it like a test to see if it's better to be then used in the next update or is it a continuous beta where its just to test bugs? does this have any effect on the full version and the updates we get with them etc.?

[Damedius]

6 hours ago, Amarante said:

Thats in the 70s and 80s. Pressing isn't like that anymore.

 

Anyone else hitting the woodwork at a minimum of 3 times every game. So frustrating. 

Probably your tactics.

[Damedius]

56 minutes ago, BigV said:

Whats this talk about the public beta? Im guessing it's like the previous beta where people play the game and assist with bug reports to help crack down issues, how does this differ from the full game? is it like a test to see if it's better to be then used in the next update or is it a continuous beta where its just to test bugs? does this have any effect on the full version and the updates we get with them etc.?

Isn't it all a public beta at this point?

[bar333]

A very small QoL addition I'd like to see and this probably (maybe?) the domain of @Seb Wassell - It'd be nice if we could have the AM handle general training without getting the annoying popup that asks us to confirm our choice every time we make a change to his suggested schedule. My impression is that a lot of people handle training this way where they leave it to the AM to plan in broad strokes but make small adjustments when they feel like it, and I think we'd all appreciate it.

[Miravlix]

13 hours ago, Seb Wassell said:

To jump on this one before it gets legs - the way ratings work currently will not adversely effect player development at all.

Edit for clarity - the difference between a 6.4 and a 6.8 not having "serious" development knock-ons does not equal a 5.2 having no impact on development.

 

My star players is getting dropped from international games, is being a international star simply cosmetic?

[Snorks]

13 hours ago, Amarante said:

Thats in the 70s and 80s. Pressing isn't like that anymore.

 

Anyone else hitting the woodwork at a minimum of 3 times every game. So frustrating. 

There's some footage I saw of Leeds this season, looked very similar to that Belgian image.

Was after an attacking corner and loss of possession. 
Seems to be working for Bielsa

Edited November 23, 2018 by Snorks

[Snorks]

7 hours ago, BigV said:

Whats this talk about the public beta? Im guessing it's like the previous beta where people play the game and assist with bug reports to help crack down issues, how does this differ from the full game? is it like a test to see if it's better to be then used in the next update or is it a continuous beta where its just to test bugs? does this have any effect on the full version and the updates we get with them etc.?

The public beta, as I understand, is available for people who have purchased the game, and signed up to be part of it.

Essentially, I think, you get the full game with the 'next' update before it is released. So those in the beta are playing a newer version to test the updates before full release of the update.

Up to you if you want to join it.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Snorks

[profii]

more of a presentational issue but this seems as good as anywhere to put it

 

i noticed when the opposition had a direct fk outside my area my wall was lined up but the ball was rolling out behind the goal line from the previous play...

in reality the goalie cant line up the ball until the ball is placed and he would stand on the post to do it - this doesnt happen 

 

also, while were on the subject, introducing the magic spray would be really cool and add to the immersion 

[wicksyFM]

45 minutes ago, profii said:

more of a presentational issue but this seems as good as anywhere to put it

 

i noticed when the opposition had a direct fk outside my area my wall was lined up but the ball was rolling out behind the goal line from the previous play...

in reality the goalie cant line up the ball until the ball is placed and he would stand on the post to do it - this doesnt happen 

 

also, while were on the subject, introducing the magic spray would be really cool and add to the immersion 

I’m sure the magic spray was in FM18. I don’t think I have seen it for FM19. I could be wrong and I probably am

[Johnny Ace]

Yeah, magic spray's in FM19

[Svenc]

17 hours ago, bar333 said:

I actually don't have many problems with 1v1's in FM19. They still feel a bit off, and it's probably for the best as right now with the correct setup you can create multiple 1v1's a game via balls over the top, but overall I feel like I'm seeing them scored way more often than in FM18 where in every 1v1 I'd have bet everything I own on a miss.

I only much watche let's plays of FM18, but you'd be ten times broke by now going by those (which is not to say that FM18 was "spot on"). I've personally never hugely focused on one on ones as I consider them to be by far the most overrated chance type -- note that "overrated" doesn't mean "Bad chance". In particular the type that sees the forward travel a longer distance and makes him take the added two, three touches for the keeper needed to come off his line, smallen the target and to generally adjust. Or the type off a central through ball, which gives the forward no angle to work with and he oft needs to turn and shoot immediately, as he's being closed down ASAP.

On average, in football analysis, a  one on one is considered a roughly 1 in 3 chance. That is, long-term a forward competitive on his level is expected to score once in every third one on one average. Short-term, anything goes (ask Morata against Chelski in January). I'd prefer a cutback handicapping the keeper over such a through ball anytime, and imo the game were correct in assuming it is easier to convert if it is in-game.

However, I urge anybody who focuses on one on ones to actually research what's going to happen in the game. I do not know, honestly. The game naturally doesn't provide any stats, so you would need to manually record every single one on one manually. Do not only record your own, but also the oppositions. Do not focus on isolated matches, but seasons. If there additionally is a difference between AI and your own, rather than a bias, it may be that your tactic tends to create one on ones that are harder to convert -- perhaps even too hard. IIRC there was an actually acknowledged issue with a specific type of one on ones on a prior release. It related to a marking bug making them repeat if you focused on it, plus the keeper reach from closer ranges. However, it took research and arguments to get SI to consider. Throwaway lines and hyperbole such as forwards never score one on ones won't do it. From experience, anyway.

There's two different angles to this, as usual: a) The actual conversion. b) How the chances are converted/missed. [Actually, there is a thiard, which is the frequency of one on ones -- as could be seen in January with Morata, if a forward doesn't convert over weeks/months this is perceived differently than in a match]. Both will influence the perception of things. Fifa players also tend to focus a lot of one on ones and face the similar issues, even though it's a different kinda game. Which is completely understandable. In public perception, a penalty is basically a certain goal (even though they tend to be missed some regularly even by most specialists). A one on one from open play also sees the forward through on goal... If I were SI I'd have put added focus on those for that simple reason already... plus provide in-game benchmarks as to what they are actually targeting. The medical center was a great idea on the injuries front. Now you need to do that for chances...

Edited November 23, 2018 by Svenc

[ParanoidBuddha]

16 ore fa, bar333 ha scritto:

I actually don't have many problems with 1v1's in FM19. They still feel a bit off, and it's probably for the best as right now with the correct setup you can create multiple 1v1's a game via balls over the top, but overall I feel like I'm seeing them scored way more often than in FM18 where in every 1v1 I'd have bet everything I own on a miss. They were literally meaningless in 18, complete waste of time even showing you the highlight.

I just know that in my first season Ronaldo never scored in a 1v1. I don't think it's normal then there is a big problem in the gameplay or in some attributes that have too much/too little importance for that

Edited November 23, 2018 by ParanoidBuddha

[FlorianAlbert9]

19 ore fa, Dagenham_Dave ha scritto:

I guess Belgium used close down much much much much more....

 

Well, Maradona is not Messi. 

You need more than an avarage defender to stop him.

[Svenc]

18 minutes ago, ParanoidBuddha said:

I just know that in my first season Ronaldo never scored in a 1v1. I don't think it's normal then there is a big problem in the gameplay or in some attributes that have too much/too little importance for that

SI Must have watched him last term -- an account strangely suspended on YouTube had recorded all his attempts in sequence, not hugely unlike you'd experienced this in FM's heavily compressed time frames (match to match, highlight to hightlight), and it was absolutely glorious. On a more serious note, that's precisely the kind of save I'd upload to investigate.

 

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-cristiano-ronaldo-has-been-real-madrids-major-problem-season-he-can-also-be-their

Edited November 23, 2018 by Svenc

[Martin#]

Penalties are getting ridiculous. Have two takers, one with 19 and the other one with 20 attribute for penalties. 19 scored 4/11. 20 scored 0/3.

[thejay]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb pats:

 

I didnt know there was a beta branch, Ill definitely opt in.

Is there always going to be a beta which gets updates faster or is this a time limited thing?

[Svenc]

23 minutes ago, Martin# said:

Penalties are getting ridiculous. Have two takers, one with 19 and the other one with 20 attribute for penalties. 19 scored 4/11. 20 scored 0/3.

May very well be an issue, may be not. Purely in terms of data: Longterm you'll understand the game generally a whole lot better though if you consider that from my experience  a) the margins in between players are small and even a 20 doesn't mean invincible (nor does a 1 mean he won't be able to kick a ball). Clubs in competitive football spend gazillions in attempts of going a few extra percent, and oft enough fail). And b) in particularly when dealing in stats and numbers, understanding both of these can also be of benefit:

a) Random chance
b) Sample size'

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-barcelona/elfmeterstatistik/verein/131/plus/0?reldata=%262012

 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-barcelona/elfmeterstatistik/verein/131/plus/0?reldata=%262014

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-barcelona/elfmeterstatistik/verein/131/plus/0?reldata=%262015

Toss a coin ten times, and there's a reasonable chance that you get exclusively heads in 8+ of the throws. Do that a couple dozen do a hundred times... Feature request: I'd be actually useful if like an actual manager you could test / drill players over training daily, rather than being depended on the odd penalty/kick in a match, where sample size and random chance are far bigger issues. In particularly as the margins between players, same as in football, tend to be smaller than what is perceived and/or what the attribute system seems to imply. I reckon these are issues the research faces also, in particular that they also don't see players day-in day out.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Svenc

[Martin#]

51 minutes ago, Martin# said:

Penalties are getting ridiculous. Have two takers, one with 19 and the other one with 20 attribute for penalties. 19 scored 4/11. 20 scored 0/3.

EDIT: Now the guy with 20 for penalties has missed his fourth in a row which makes it 0/4.

[skam]

12 minutes ago, Martin# said:

EDIT: Now the guy with 20 for penalties has missed his fourth in a row which makes it 0/4.

I'm managing FC Eindhoven (first season in 2. dutch division, so hardly any quality players) but if I recall correctly, for about 5-7 penalties I've been granted this season (plus like 2-3 ruled against me) I'm yet to see a missed one.  

[Mr U Rosler]

I'd say penalties seem 'streaky'.

Mine scored his first 8 then missed the next 5.

It's as though the result of their previous penalty has a strong bearing on the result of their next penalty.

[Martin#]

17 minutes ago, skam said:

I'm managing FC Eindhoven (first season in 2. dutch division, so hardly any quality players) but if I recall correctly, for about 5-7 penalties I've been granted this season (plus like 2-3 ruled against me) I'm yet to see a missed one.  

Haha, the same guy just missed even his fifth one, then I was awarded with another penalty and finally he scored. 1/6.