thejay

Please point to examples where I have been harassing anyone, I dont think this is fair at all. My comments have clear matter of fact questions and no harassment .

its better to stay specific , there is a specific thing which does not seem possible in this match engine, namely possession heavy passing style of play and goals scored by passing moves after being in possession . I am well aware of general tactical principles both in terms of fm and real football but the frustration of the years me stems from the fact that goals seem to come not because how my tactics are setup but by the me increasing the chance of random goals in order to stay true to real life statistics despite several tactical styles directly from the tactics creator are not working as intended. Now if a user claims he has a tactic which actually works as inteded and scores these type of goals as intended , I want to see it. Its very easy to post a quick rundown of the instructions here or in the tactic forum and link it or post pkms But because it is so easy and I have not seen anyone of those people who claim such a thing actually do it, I am very suspicious and doubtful of their claims

Please post your tactics and PKMs how you scored the goals. There are always some people who claim such a thing but never back it up

Yes but I find it kind of strange that such an me is put out in two games for people buy them. Basically the offensive side of the game can't keep up but to keep goal numbers realistic the number of set piece goals and random goals goes up. Thats very unrealistic and makes me question Sis decision to include the defensive instructions in the game which produce this kind of game play. So you are saying I wasted 80€ on two possible 3 fm versions which have a feature which breaks the me so si can get it right eventually? they had to include the new feature just to have something new even if it breaks a big part of the me ?

I dont think they are recorded correctly, I think chaos in the box after corner goals count as through balls

I press as high and agressive as possible so I manage to win the ball sometimes when they pass it around. But I never get punished by a counter attack for it despite my players pressing at times all over the place with two players attacking one at the same time regularly. Somehow the me is made to always play wide for the cross which also most of the time is crossed into the feet of the defender

I really hope the next patch will make the game better, its really broken and I am not sure how anyone can defend how incredible dull and unrealistic the match engine is. I played a full season Betis reaching 3rd place so my tactic is obviously working but I scored exactly 1 goal after a passing move, even though my team is setup to play combination football. I scored by penalties and set pieces or random shots despite having one of the smallest teams in the league. I also press high and didnt concede a single goal by a counter attack, only by set pieces or crosses. This is frankly completely ridiculous and for me game breaking, if the next patch does not fix that I will not buy the next fm. I think the new defensive width and line of engagement features gimped the offensively limited me and bascially broke the match engine, how Si can release the game with such a game breaking feature is beyond me. I wish I could post all pkms from my season if someone wants evidence but can only post the last 5 or six as the game makes this impossible for some reason.

These are offensive instructions not defensive ones, it makes no sense for them to move narrow while defending. There is absolutely no instruction which should make the players behave like that on a goal kick

It's the same for me, winning nearly all games because of set pieces and crosses , also all goals I concede are set pieces or from crosses. Absolutely boring, I am done, I don't expect it to change much because the issues seem much deeper than what patches can do

Well I suggested to you to post your tactics which make a playstyle possible which you claim but we know how that ended. Regardless of how I want to play the issue is with the type of goals I score or concede. Every way of playing has an advantage or disadvantage, what's most boring is that I don't concede because of my tactics disadvantage and I don't score from my tactics advantage.

For me this game is a boring cross and set piece simulator, every goal i score comes after a set piece or a floating cross, every goal i concede as well. Which makes no real sense, i play a high defensive line and pressing and dont defend narrow but I dont concede on the counter as one would expect, the goals i concede are never counters where my high press gets exploited. Its always a floating cross or a set piece, its so incredible dull and boring. I really dont even care if i win or lose, Its not about having success at all, I am joint leading the league with Betis but I just dont care at all. What exactly is my input in this game? I dont know , its not tactics or how goals are scored. Like others have written here I though the lack of attacking variety was down to the ai defending narrow and deep but this makes no sense because i dont defender like that and still only concede after set pieces and crosses.

This is not true at all, there is almost no penalty in the match engine on the latest patch playing the most aggressive pressing style possible, the ai cant counter that effectively . In my experience you become less defensibly solid with more reasonable pressing

I dont know, you show me ,post a link to your tactics Just remember the descriptions to know what i mean with possession football So one of these which means not the majority of goals scored via quick transitions, crosses or set pieces, but by controlling the ball in the opponents half , passing and movement which drags the opponent out of position

no its not at all please dont claim something which is just not true, this is not about the guides but what the me is actually capable to represent . Again I just used the examples of the description to highlight that such of way of playing should be possible in the game but it just isnt right now But this hypothetical discussion can be made factually very quickly very simply , If you claim you have achieved such a style with counter intuitive instructions , thus proving only the descriptions are wrong, just post your tactics so we can test accordingly . If thats the wrong thread just post a link to the tactic forum where you posted the tactic, very simple

I am not sure where you get the impression from i just selected a standard tactic ? I just used it as an example that this way of playing is advertised as part of the game and not some obscure thing only a few people actually want or think about.

The point was about the definition of attacking with possession not whether the set tactics achieve that. You asked whether possession is just keeping the ball, it is not in this context. No I am basing my tactics on what I see during the match but the players dont behave like I want to behave. If I want to create chances on the counter when the defense isnt set up yet I would play like that and create a tactic accordingly .

No its not, just look at the set tactics descriptions what is meant with possession, its all there in the description. No need to start a fundamental discussion about football concepts, the base concepts are laid out in the game

This It makes no sense, why I am successful because of set pieces or chaos in the box second ball or crosses if my tactics are not for that at all? It's not about whether I am able to win games or not but how little tactics seem to influence the type of goals which I score. Whats the point of scouting creative midfielders or technical gifted wingers, strikers with ball playing ability, false nines, deep playmakers, ect. When they don't seem to matter for the type of goals my team scorers. I am leading the league with my team built around possession and creativity but my goals come from set pieces and crosses. This takes the fun out of it completely for me.

I agree completely but it isn't some obscure style that only some people play. Half the standard tactics in the tactic creator don't work. Control possession, tiki taka, vertical tiki taka, you can all throw them in the bin. Vertical tiki taka is the worst, absolutely impossible to play with a focus through the midfield. I don't really understand that people claim the game works as advertised when I'd evidently does not, as seem in the ineffectiveness of default tactics. But maybe they do work but work as in you get set piece goals and second chances to a very high degree for some reason, but they don't work as in the tactics actually creating chances as intended.

If i understand that correctly the come inside to receive the ball and play not to be in the box for a cross? As it is now they come so narrow and dont move to make themselves available for a pass that the only free option is the full back . Ideally they should make themselves available , at times come towards the ball while the fullback moves into space and orientate their positioning relative to where the ball is. I am not sure if this is possible in the match engine

The single most important change is the seperate attacking and defending width instructions introduced in fm 19 Yes its realsitic but the me is not advanced enough offensively to be able to pull apart defenses by intelligent movement. Earlier fms masked this problem because the ai could not play narrow in defense and wider in attack, now he can which results in a very stale attacking part of the game. I dont think this is fixable in the short run, we probably have to wait until the offensive part gets more developed or si removes the width instructions which they probably won't do. So see you in FM 2025 or something like that

The point of the passing and patient game is to pull the opponents defense apart and not just cross in , I said nothing about through balls only where the goals are scored from and what happens in reality. The whole point is that its not possible to pull apart the narrow defenses with passing because the ai is not intelligent enough in terms of offensive movement and making the right passing decisions . Not everyone wants to play constant counter attack football followed by high pressing .

So I won 7 straight games with Betis playing an insane all out pressing tactic which the ai cant handle . All goals i have scored were either long shots , cross or after set pieces , not a single one after a passing combination freed up a player. All the goals I conceded were crosses or standards as well. Despite that assist locations show through ball as the most frequent assist location , makes no sense at all but it does explain why some people claim they can play with combining through the middle and score goals after combinations . They cant, i dont think this is possible with this me and the narrow defense instructions

The problem is that the if in the amr/l spot just goes very narrow way to early instead of staying wide and cutting inside. In the ml/r spots the play correctly in the final third but are way too deep in the build up phase. This is a problem in fm for years now but the new narrow defense instructions have seriously increased this problem.

I dont think you understand what passing football is, not what is shown in your video . Why the need to acuse other people only because you are satisfied with the game?