craigcwwe Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) Two games into the tournament, three shots, no goals and just six touches inside the opponent's box. He was leggy in the World Cup in 2018 from open play, won the golden boot which was fantastic but penalties covered up a lot of his overall game. He looked knackered an hour into most games. What's going on? Edited June 18, 2021 by craigcwwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Southgate...and transfer on his mind The first game was weird as Phillips got forward but the normal expectation under Southgate is Kane has to drop deeper and deeper because no ****er gets forward from midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He's ****ing ****, I don't know if it's England but he can't be playing like that in real football team. Spurs can keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Hasn't proven it at the top level yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Harry Kane is a terrific player. Not sure what's behind his lack of form for England, but it's mental to see him getting called *****. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjerome Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bootador said: He's ****ing ****, I don't know if it's England but he can't be playing like that in real football team. Spurs can keep him. are we seriously questioning his quality in ****ing 2021 1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Hasn't proven it at the top level yet. yeah he's only just come off being top goalscorer and top assists in the best league in the world, has 20 in 24 in CL, won golden boot in wc but sure of course i think he's been absolute garbage so far in these 2 games btw 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Kane's "come and get me" plea is really looking ill-judged right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamm90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 The service to him has been awful to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Obviously finished now. Might as well come to Newcastle and we’ll begrudgingly send Joelinton the other way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, iamjerome said: are we seriously questioning his quality in ****ing 2021 yeah he's only just come off being top goalscorer and top assists in the best league in the world, has 20 in 24 in CL, won golden boot in wc but sure of course i think he's been absolute garbage so far in these 2 games btw Of course he's quality, but if he can't do it in games that matter it's a pretty big black mark on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, iamjerome said: are we seriously questioning his quality in ****ing 2021 yeah he's only just come off being top goalscorer and top assists in the best league in the world, has 20 in 24 in CL, won golden boot in wc but sure of course i think he's been absolute garbage so far in these 2 games btw Wasn't a serious post, but ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He looks the same as he always has done for years now. Just for England, the game is so slow and he gets so little chances to smash in some nice finishes to cover his slow style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, Adamm90 said: The service to him has been awful to be fair. His movement has been worse. Can't supply someone that's standing still next to 2 or 3 defenders. His performances have been inept. He's capable of so much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Lukaku > Kane, not even close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickybricks14 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 What's going on is that Harry Kane needs to also play as a midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mickybricks14 said: he probably will, feels like Southgate has his team set round Kane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Hasn't proven it at the top level yet. You’ve hated him from day one, so fair play on your consistently. 20 goals in 24 CL games btw…. I totally understand criticism of his euro performances so far, but he’s been a top class player Edit- iamjerome got their first!!! Edited June 18, 2021 by aggressive minor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) He was crap but let's not kid ourselves that we got any better when he came off. Not sure what the answer is tbh, it's hardly like the rest of the attack was firing on all cylinders and he was holding them back but you also can't really stick with someone indefinitely who looks as off their game as he does. Seemed a lot of poor passes and general mis-controls from him tonight outside of the general lethargy of everyone.. Edited June 18, 2021 by Robokid87 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: You’ve hated him from day one, so fair play on your consistently. 20 goals in 24 CL games btw…. I totally understand criticism of his euro performances so far, but he’s been a top class player Edit- iamjerome got their first!!! I wouldn’t say I hate him. I hate how he’s excused when he plays badly. As an overall player it’s been about 4 or 5 years since I accepted he wasn’t just a 1 (or 2 ) season wonder. Also as said to Jerome, it wasn’t a serious post. Edited June 18, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Would be good if he remembered how to play as a No.9. That's what he needs to do for England. Forget coming deep etc. let Foden and Mount, or whoever is on the pitch, manage that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Yeah, let's play Dominic Calvert-Lewin...he's better. Or maybe Rashford, yeah, he's better....let's play both....both of them...can we have 12 players play??? Play them both, take Kane out, he's rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I'm not saying Kane will now light up the tournament but he does have periods like this, I'm sure he looked awful on day 1 of last season Vs Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Let's be honest at this moment in time Kane is rubbish and it would be nice to simply play with 11 rather than 10 + him as it currently is. Any other player would be dropped playing this poorly as it's not like he's missing chances he's literally having zero impact on the pitch in any way whatsoever. Yes he may 'just need a goal' but that's not gonna happen spending most of the game 40 yards from goal plus he's not even getting involved and the team are just carrying him. Personally I'd give DCL a go because he cannot do any worse and will most definitely give us some presence up front. Never know may just be the change this team needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Looking back, I’m loving this. So calm, cool. This HAS! To be learning curve. It won’t be though will it be? Edit: oops wrong thread. Edited June 19, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Football is a game of combinations. Spurs see the best of Kane when he and Son play together. England either need to switch things up to find a combination that gets the best out of Kane or a combination that doesn't include Kane. Right now it's clear they're not getting what they need from him. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Confused Clarity said: Football is a game of combinations. Spurs see the best of Kane when he and Son play together. England either need to switch things up to find a combination that gets the best out of Kane or a combination that doesn't include Kane. Right now it's clear they're not getting what they need from him. I agree. At the moment Kane is dropping deep but we aren't making the runs around him to make that work. In particular players are not breaking from midfield into the box and so we frequently get the ball at the side of the penalty area in what would be a semi-dangerous position but there is nobody in the box to play it in to because Kane is halfway towards the centre circle. Kane needs to either revert to being a traditional number 9/drop off less, or Southgate needs to get the team playing around him in a way that works. Edit - or as you say, play a different CF Edited June 19, 2021 by martinji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The service excuse is interesting because yes he didn't have any and i dont think we particularly play to his strengths but when he did have the ball at his feet he just didn't look right, he could barely sprint, didn't look like the ball was under his control and just generally didn't look quite right. He was captain and i don't think i saw him say anything to anyone despite the fact that we were playing badly. Obviously i don't know what the issue is exactly but i dont think its just the system and service albeit they don't help. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 He said he's even better than he was when we were in Russia 3 years ago when he got the golden boot? he shouldn't be thinking of transfer out of Spurs at a time like this, he needs to prove that he's sharper against the Czechs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrw072 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Right now i'm not totally convinced by any of England's front three. Foden is doing ok, but I think both Kane and Sterling are not really offering much at the moment. It's a bit surprising as they're both good players, but I think they're playing well within themselves right now. I'd like to see Southgate make a few changes to the team and add a bit of creativity. One player i've not really seen much of in the PL is Declan Rice, but watching him play for England i've no idea what the fuss is about - he looks bang average to me. I'll probably be missing something, but i've no idea what at the moment. I think England need a creative player to operate in the centre of midfield. Someone who can pass the ball a bit and get forward to support the attack. Grealish is probably best suited to the role i'm thinking of. But with a few changes I think England can get back on track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, mrw072 said: Right now i'm not totally convinced by any of England's front three. Foden is doing ok, but I think both Kane and Sterling are not really offering much at the moment. It's a bit surprising as they're both good players, but I think they're playing well within themselves right now. I'd like to see Southgate make a few changes to the team and add a bit of creativity. One player i've not really seen much of in the PL is Declan Rice, but watching him play for England i've no idea what the fuss is about - he looks bang average to me. I'll probably be missing something, but i've no idea what at the moment. I think England need a creative player to operate in the centre of midfield. Someone who can pass the ball a bit and get forward to support the attack. Grealish is probably best suited to the role i'm thinking of. But with a few changes I think England can get back on track. I'm not sure about Rice either. I think I'm missing out on his good games as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 To be fair, the entire English team look like they don't care. You can't blame one player for being **** when they're all being ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm not sure about Rice either. I think I'm missing out on his good games as well. There are times when Rice is really good, not just in breaking up play but taking it past a man in doing so and setting up a counter. There are lots of games where he doesn't do that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 23 hours ago, georginho_juventusygr said: What's going on is that Harry Kane needs to also play as a midfielder. He's trying! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 19 hours ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm not sure about Rice either. I think I'm missing out on his good games as well. People are still saying he is a central defender but i haven't seen him play there once. But i do agree, at times he does look like one playing in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, cyclonus1010 said: People are still saying he is a central defender but i haven't seen him play there once. But i do agree, at times he does look like one playing in midfield. Can't remember who it was now, think it was either Keane or Souness who said during the week that Rice would be a better CB than a DM. Like you though I've never seen him play CB at club level and he's obviously never done it for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 It’s a shame Ings couldn’t make the squad as he is the natural replacement for Kane with his all round game and the only realistic option I’d think about starting ahead of him. I don’t think there’s any issue of motivation, for me Kane looks like an athlete whose body is beaten from playing non stop for the past year. He could use that City move as it will give him some prolonged rest that he clearly needs in the upcoming season. With Kane’s longevity in mind, I wonder how long his international career will continue. If he does get a move to City and has opportunity for regular rest, it might not be a question but at the rate he is going, he could easily burn out into his 30s, if he has another year of being run into the ground then I’m not going to be shocked if he has a sharp decline down the line. With Greenwood coming through and long term health in mind, wouldn’t be too shocked to see Kane weigh up his options beyond the next world cup. He’s 94 goals off Prem top scorer right now and will be 28 going into the new season, so I’m sure that it becomes a question on what his body can take in the long run at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Kane does look out of sorts really....almost like when he comes back from his injuries. However, if he gets a goal he then usually picks back up pretty quickly. Friday was so poor, you coulkd argue if you were binning him then you should be binning a fair few. I'd keep him in yet, he's still way above any of our other options. If we play dreadfully again and he sticks out as woeful then I'd maybe argue a change is needed, but it's such a gamble with him basically being the first name on the team sheet for most going into the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 ITV played a bit from a Southgate interview before Italy-Wales and he said Kane will keep his place against Czech Republic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroPhil Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 is he even properly fit? seemed to be carrying injuries towards the end of the season and never got back into great form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Kane was comfortably the worst player ln the pitch. But he's starting Tuesday. So we have to hope he actually comes out the changing room Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 King Harold He (and team) just playing rope-a-dope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I guess this thread shows how fickle football fans can be …. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: I guess this thread shows how fickle football fans can be …. Not really. He was absolutely atrocious the first three games then woke up 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: Not really. He was absolutely atrocious the first three games then woke up Criticising his poor performances objectively was completely fair. Some of the comments, can’t remember which thread, but some posters were calling him lazy! But wanting to drop our world class striker? Which a lot of people wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: Criticising his poor performances objectively was completely fair. Some of the comments, can’t remember which thread, but some posters were calling him lazy! But wanting to drop our world class striker? Which a lot of people wanted. Well yeah, when your form negatively impacts the side, which it did, because we almost played with 10 men at times, that's completely fair point to raise. We've been here before with Rooney. If Kane had played like that against Germany we'd have been out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Well yeah, when your form negatively impacts the side, which it did, because we almost played with 10 men at times, that's completely fair point to raise. We've been here before with Rooney. If Kane had played like that against Germany we'd have been out Rooney’s poor tournaments had injury, suspension or poor form leading up to them, or forcing him into CM. Kane has had one of his best seasons. I mean clearly not dropping him was correct …. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 He was terrible in the first games but there’s no way anyone sane would drop him. The drop-off in quality to DCL is absolutely massive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 43 minutes ago, Smallen said: He was terrible in the first games but there’s no way anyone sane would drop him. The drop-off in quality to DCL is absolutely massive. Wouldn't have played DCL. And if he hadn't pitched up we'd be out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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