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1 hour ago, aggressive minor said:

Rooney’s poor tournaments had injury, suspension or poor form leading up to them, or forcing him into CM. 

Kane has had one of his best seasons.

I mean clearly not dropping him was correct ….

In hindsight yes. He was dreadful at the time. And to say people are fickle for pointing this out is ridiculous imo

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If we were ever going to win or even do well in this tournament we were going to need Kane to turn up. Dropping him would’ve been justified based on his individual performances, but not if you wanted to actually do well in the tournament.

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2 minutes ago, aggressive minor said:

Southgate is very loyal to his players, that isn't luck. An awful lot of people wanted Sterling dropped as well, how did that turn out? Not luck if his loyalty is often rewarded. 

 

Can't even compare Sterling and Kane's performances this tournament. Sterling has been head and shoulders above him, and everyone else.

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

Can't even compare Sterling and Kane's performances this tournament. Sterling has been head and shoulders above him, and everyone else.

That wasn't the point themadsheep2001. The point was staying loyal to Sterling despite many fans demanding he be dropped, paid off. Staying loyal to Kane despite many fans demanding he be dropped, paid off. Kane was immense in the SF.

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

It is when said player isn't showing any of that forum, faith and luck. Thankfully it paid off. If it hadn't I very much doubt people would be saying the same things

Of course they wouldn't say the same things. But that's football. We're also talking of a small sample size of games. If Kane has had a poor finish to the season, fair enough. But a world class player coming of a brilliant season, then having a few bad games, isn't enough to drop him. Then who would have replaced him? DLC would have been a huge drop off. 

 

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5 minutes ago, aggressive minor said:

Of course they wouldn't say the same things. But that's football. We're also talking of a small sample size of games. If Kane has had a poor finish to the season, fair enough. But a world class player coming of a brilliant season, then having a few bad games, isn't enough to drop him. Then who would have replaced him? DLC would have been a huge drop off. 

 

You only have a few games in tournament football. It's completely different to a qualifying campaign or a league campaign. 

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

You only have a few games in tournament football. It's completely different to a qualifying campaign or a league campaign. 

That's obvious. But you back your top players to deliver when it gets to the big games. Who honestly would have you have picked instead of Kane? 

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Plenty of examples of strikers in poor form in a major tournament, or leading up to it, then producing later. Shearer going into Euro 96, Paulo Rossi was awful in the 1982 group games, didn't Lineker have a poor start to the 1986 world cup? Again you back your big players. Kane's relationship with Southgate must be really strong now with the faith Southgate showed in him, to the extent of not even putting DLC on the bench when fans were wanting Kane dropped. That's smart management and faith in your best players. 

 

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3 minutes ago, aggressive minor said:

Kane has also shown time and time again that he ends poor runs of form with brilliant goal scoring runs. 

Kane didn't look anything like doing it at the time. Wasn't like he was getting shots at goal and not scoring, or looking even vaguely dangerous. He barely looked like a player. Even his imperious dropping deep didn't exist. We had faith and got lucky with that decision

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1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Kane didn't look anything doing it at the time. We had faith and got lucky with that faith

Trying to avoid the cliche, but you make your luck. The better management decisions lead to more 'luck'. As long as Kane was fit, the chances of him catching form eventually were always pretty good. 

Again, who would you have dropped Kane for?

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2 minutes ago, aggressive minor said:

Trying to avoid the cliche, but you make your luck. The better management decisions lead to more 'luck'. As long as Kane was fit, the chances of him catching form eventually were always pretty good. 

Again, who would you have dropped Kane for?

So we got lucky with that. Which is what I said. 

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1 minute ago, aggressive minor said:

Rashford? I like the guy (who doesn't), but he hasn't looked as good since his back injury last year, carrying an injury now too. He's a very good player, but Kane is in a different league. 

Kane when he's on form yes. The Kane that turned up at the group stages wasn't even close. Again he didn't look like any kind of threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. 

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

Kane when he's on form yes. The Kane that turned up at the group stages wasn't even close. Again he didn't look like any kind of threat

But then a world class player turned up in the knockouts........ ! Rashford at this stage in his career, with his injury issue, could never have produced that level of performance Kane did against Denmark. 

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Just now, aggressive minor said:

But then a world class player turned up in the knockouts........ ! Rashford at this stage in his career, with his injury issue, could never have produced that level of performance Kane did against Denmark. 

Yeah, like I said we got lucky, because he objectively didn't look like that was coming. I'm delighted he did. But there was absolutely nothing in those 3 performances that suggested he would come good. Not a threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. That's my view, feel free to disagree because I stand by it

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

Yeah, like I said we got lucky, because he objectively didn't look like that was coming. I'm delighted he did. But there was absolutely nothing in those 3 performances that suggested he would come good. Not a threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. That's my view, feel free to disagree because I stand by it

Again, you make it sound like the luck you get in a casino. Southgate's move to keep playing Kane was a calculated move based on many factors mentioned already. 

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8 minutes ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

Can we talk more about how missing a penalty and getting a lucky rebound was the work of a world class striker?

He had a decent game, and the pass to Saka that led to the equalizer was very nice, but it's not like he was anywhere near the best man on the pitch.

Oh dear :D

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6 hours ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

Can we talk more about how missing a penalty and getting a lucky rebound was the work of a world class striker?

He had a decent game, and the pass to Saka that led to the equalizer was very nice, but it's not like he was anywhere near the best man on the pitch.

I thought he made quite a few weird decisions on the ball in that game. And I'm not a Kane hater.

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9 hours ago, aggressive minor said:

I wonder how many England fans have:#

1) called for Southgate to go?

2) called for Sterling to be dropped?

3) called for Kane to be dropped?

 

Probably quite a few. 

Wonder how many people would have been clamouring for Hurst (2 international goals and less than 10 caps) to be dropped in favour of Greaves (43 goals and England’s record scorer) in 1966 given there were no subs?

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