Ackter Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Why did Young start ahead of Rose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: He obviously thought the person behind had a better shot. Really weird thing to be annoyed about. More annoying is the fact that Lingard must have called for it then acted surprised when he got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Tomorrow seems like a bit of a come down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, Ackter said: Why did Young start ahead of Rose? Perhaps because Young played more than 30 games this season and Rose barely managed 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, warlock said: Yeah, I get that. But a good manager will play the game - and the team - in front of you, not the textbook. I do see what you're saying but it was clear he wasn't going to spend years drilling a formation and then just change it first game, the players would have probably been a tad confused. I get the feeling had we drawn with a standard approach and formation there would be a lot of talk about identity's and philosophies as there has been in previous years. If it fails miserably then fine but im actually quite glad we've got a clear idea and setup, aslong as we've also got backups for when it clearly isnt working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Astafjevs said: The smugness in the BBC studio is hilarious I had to turn it off, simply awful. I feel that England just won the World Cup instead of hammering the mighty Tunisia 2-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcconnell1 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 End of the day, gotta get behind the lads, they get enough stick from us every tournament but this time there's some real optimism after a great start for the first tournament in years. It's coming home!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RTHerringbone said: Tomorrow seems like a bit of a come down. Not really all that worse looking than today's set of fixtures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, afced7 said: More annoying is the fact that Lingard must have called for it then acted surprised when he got it. Yeah, he shouldn't have called, that's the actual issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Rio reckon teams will fear England I'm English and I did laugh at that. We've just snuck past Tunisia ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Tomorrow seems like a bit of a come down. I think the look like a great set personally. Got a lot of big players I'm interested to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, G-Man11 said: Not really all that worse looking than today's set of fixtures? Egypt-Russia should be entertaining since Egypt has to win. Japan is pretty bad, imo and Colombia should take care of them, even though they're not on the level they should be. Poland-Senegal could be a great game, Senegal is by far the best African team with deadly trio upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, Baptista_8 said: I'm English and I did laugh at that. We've just snuck past Tunisia ffs. In fairness, a bunch of the "big" teams have struggled in the opening games. Argentina being held by Iceland was a big surprise, same with the Swiss and Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: Egypt-Russia should be entertaining since Egypt has to win. Japan is pretty bad, imo and Colombia should take care of them, even though they're not on the level they should be. Poland-Senegal could be a great game, Senegal is by far the best African team with deadly trio upfront. Sheesh more anti-Asian stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Marc Albrighton said: I do see what you're saying but it was clear he wasn't going to spend years drilling a formation and then just change it first game... If it fails miserably then fine but im actually quite glad we've got a clear idea and setup Oh yes, me too. Especially as it's a setup that's working so far. Unlike some previous England managers we could mention... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Arsenal Fan TV gonna be conflicted tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Heartwork said: Sheesh more anti-Asian stuff They fired their coach weeks before tournament because players didn't like him. And he was doing a great job with limited squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, Heartwork said: Sheesh more anti-Asian stuff Why is it anti Asian to say he thinks they are bad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Heartwork said: In fairness, a bunch of the "big" teams have struggled in the opening games. Argentina being held by Iceland was a big surprise, same with the Swiss and Brazil. Both Iceland and Switzerland are a hell of a lot better than Tunisia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavo01 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: I'm English and I did laugh at that. We've just snuck past Tunisia ffs. But we dug in against a team who defended for pretty much most of the game and came away with a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, SteveUK said: Why is it anti Asian to say he thinks they are bad? Oh he just doesn't like Asian teams in general and doesn't think they should be at the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK_GIFF Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, SteveUK said: That ref needs to be nowhere near any future games in this competition. Fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Tomorrow seems like a bit of a come down. Looks alright, Group H interesting since they'll probably all think they have a reasonable chance of going through, Russia game also interesting to get an idea of how good they actually are, whether Salah plays, plus Russia could qualify for the knockouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'm looking forward to seeing Colombia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, daylight said: Both Iceland and Switzerland are a hell of a lot better than Tunisia. Yeah, though you could argue that Brazil and Argentina are a hell of a lot better than England. Still expecting to see tabloid journos hastily dismantling their crucifixes for Kyle Walker and switching to WE'RE GONNA WIN THE WORLD CUP tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: I'm looking forward to seeing Colombia. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: He obviously thought the person behind had a better shot. Really weird thing to be annoyed about. He had a clear shot in the box He chose to dummy it. What don't you understand? It was a bizarre decision. Utterly bizzare! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Wish I was off for Poland-Senegal, fancy them both to get out of the group ahead of Colombia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 https://youtu.be/0m1PNZ7q_Oc?t=1h48m39s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, G-Man11 said: Not really all that worse looking than today's set of fixtures? 10 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I think the look like a great set personally. Got a lot of big players I'm interested to see. 4 minutes ago, afced7 said: Looks alright, Group H interesting since they'll probably all think they have a reasonable chance of going through, Russia game also interesting to get an idea of how good they actually are, whether Salah plays, plus Russia could qualify for the knockouts. Aside from Colombia, it's all a bit "meh" for me, but that's the joy of the World Cup. FWIW I expect Russia to end the Egyptian story, Colombia to stroll past Japan and Poland to nick a win against Senegal. So we'll get the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Guess who walked out of the pub when Lotus-Cheek came on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Never thought I would see this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Can you imagine what kind of fixtures we'll get with 48 teams? Iraq vs Trinidad and Tobago. 32 is the best format. But give Oceania one automatic spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Aside from Colombia, it's all a bit "meh" for me, but that's the joy of the World Cup. FWIW I expect Russia to end the Egyptian story, Colombia to stroll past Japan and Poland to nick a win against Senegal. So we'll get the opposite. I think Senegal will surprise a lot of people. They look like Africa's best chance in years to finally do well in a world cup. Mané hat trick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Well if you could encapsulate England's last few tournament performances in a match that would be it. Domination against a weak opponent to very little avail, stupid penalty conceded, struggle to score against weak opponent, just about enough reason to object to the referee, abject tempo failure and then the late goal to keep the hope alive (because it's the hope that really hurts you) In between, you had to wonder whether having one of the world's most dangerous attacking fullbacks as a **** centre back was an experiment due to come to an end, especially when it was Maguire that actually realised he could step forward into midfield. Overall I thought the Southgate setup worked OK, but their confidence is fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: He had a clear shot in the box He chose to dummy it. What don't you understand? It was a bizarre decision. Utterly bizzare! Because he got a call from the man behind. You're taught to leave to the man behind because he can see you and you can see behind you. It's really simple, and you're the only one weirdly fixated on it. There's nothing bizarre about ir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: He had a clear shot in the box He chose to dummy it. What don't you understand? It was a bizarre decision. Utterly bizzare! Watch the replay of it again. He goes nuts that he got the shout when he realises that he had the better chance. He trusted the shout, not his fault at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Lingard definitely got carried away on this stage hope he calms down next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 It was a poor call from Lingard But then I'd have still taken the shot on from there, and I'm under no illusions I have finishing ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, daylight said: Watch the replay of it again. He goes nuts that he got the shout when he realises that he had the better chance. He trusted the shout, not his fault at all. Exactly. You trust the call of the person behind you. Lingard got it wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Enjoying the "ENGLAND MUST DO BETTER" as though a whole boat load of top nations haven't just had very average performances. First half was very good, created plenty of chances. Finish those and we cruise. The tempo definitely dropped second half but even then there was changes to try and give us the upperhand such as the pushing forward of the CBs. RLC should have come on a bit sooner but other than that I don't have a massive issue with the way the game was managed. Tunisia clearly changed as well to play for the draw after half time which makes things difficult and it wasn't like Iceland where it was just "lol throw strikers on and hope for the best" And then this is ignoring the absolutely appalling VAR not giving us at least 2 blatant penalties. Second half should have been better but we've only got Panama to go who'll play that way against us and they don't seem as competent as Tunisia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Whatever, I'd expect Rashford to hit that despite a call. Its his job to smack to the ball towards goal, especially when he was that free with the game tied. Don't matter now obviously, but the blame's on the person making the decision not to shoot and showboat with a trick, not the one making a call. He completely right to have a barmy at Lingard though. Stupid call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolsgold Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I really don't get some of the people in here who are so downbeat. First off, we know where we are as a team - we know that we're not going all the way, and 3 points against a properly tricky Tunisia team IS massive for getting out of the group. Tunisia came into the game on the back of some decent results and were always the 'banana skin' for want of a better term. It was always going to be this sort of annoying game, it would have been for most of the top sides too! Why should it be any different for us? Secondly, we shouldn't put down the performance. If you add up the 2 goals, the Lingard volley, Lingard hitting the post, Stones spooning the chance on the turn, Rashford's dummy, and then 2 penalty shouts, that's 8 decent chances. Throw into the mix the fact that it was a debatable penalty to give away, and it shows up to be a good performance. On another day we win that 4-0. Obviously there are improvements to be made, and we won't get away with it against top teams, but ffs, there are more positives than negatives out of that performance imo. We need to be better with finishing, we went missing for a period in the second half, and we need to tighten up at the back. But barely any team has played so far this World Cup without a few improvements necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Tomorrow seems like a bit of a come down. Way better than Wednesday's games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robbie.Knox said: I really don't get some of the people in here who are so downbeat. First off, we know where we are as a team - we know that we're not going all the way, and 3 points against a properly tricky Tunisia team IS massive for getting out of the group. Tunisia came into the game on the back of some decent results and were always the 'banana skin' for want of a better term. It was always going to be this sort of annoying game, it would have been for most of the top sides too! Why should it be any different for us? Secondly, we shouldn't put down the performance. If you add up the 2 goals, the Lingard volley, Lingard hitting the post, Stones spooning the chance on the turn, Rashford's dummy, and then 2 penalty shouts, that's 8 decent chances. Throw into the mix the fact that it was a debatable penalty to give away, and it shows up to be a good performance. On another day we win that 4-0. Obviously there are improvements to be made, and we won't get away with it against top teams, but ffs, there are more positives than negatives out of that performance imo. We need to be better with finishing, we went missing for a period in the second half, and we need to tighten up at the back. But barely any team has played so far this World Cup without a few improvements necessary. Very good post. Room for improvement of course, but baffled by some who seem to suggest we got lucky. We were clearly the better team against a solid team that have caused other good teams problems (albeit in friendlies) The first half was probably one of the most impressive of the tournament from one of the bigger teams. Second half could have been better but once Southgate made changes you could see the impact and we started creating again, just half chances though rather than anything clear. I'm intrigued with how Belgium do against them, as based off today I don't think they'll do that much better. There's a lot more positives than negatives from this, while of course it needs to be looked at and see where we can improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Robbie.Knox said: I really don't get some of the people in here who are so downbeat. First off, we know where we are as a team - we know that we're not going all the way, and 3 points against a properly tricky Tunisia team IS massive for getting out of the group. Tunisia came into the game on the back of some decent results and were always the 'banana skin' for want of a better term. It was always going to be this sort of annoying game, it would have been for most of the top sides too! Why should it be any different for us? Secondly, we shouldn't put down the performance. If you add up the 2 goals, the Lingard volley, Lingard hitting the post, Stones spooning the chance on the turn, Rashford's dummy, and then 2 penalty shouts, that's 8 decent chances. Throw into the mix the fact that it was a debatable penalty to give away, and it shows up to be a good performance. On another day we win that 4-0. Obviously there are improvements to be made, and we won't get away with it against top teams, but ffs, there are more positives than negatives out of that performance imo. We need to be better with finishing, we went missing for a period in the second half, and we need to tighten up at the back. But barely any team has played so far this World Cup without a few improvements necessary. Good post. Yer still pish! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 This was a good call... 3 hours ago, SteveUK said: Kanes gonna score against two keepers in one night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 We Played well in parts and deserved the win, Tunisia were dirty in their approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I really don't know why threads like this bring the worst out of people on here. Some really bitter people around who are so obsessed with putting the boot into anything even relating to England that they just come out with some complete ********. And I don't mean daylight. It's fine coming in with 'banter' (really hate that word) but some of the comments from some users are just stupid. Were England great tonight? No. For the first 30 mins we had spells where we looked dangerous and on another night could've been 4-1 going into half-time. Second-half lacked the same tempo. Whether it was because Tunisia tightened up as they had something to hold onto or we tired too much and ran out of ideas - I don't know. It was sluggish and we got back into the usual pointless passing possession that I hate. We're not Spain / Barcelona so stop trying to play in a way that doesn't suit us. We need a fast tempo even if it's a bit more direct at times. At the end of the day we got the result we needed. A win tonight means that a win against Panama probably puts us through. There is plenty of improvements to be made but hopefully an extended period of time together will help us work on our problems. At least we feel like a team and that's a big positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'd go as far to say that a win against Panama definitely puts England through. Particularly if it's a big one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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