Football Manager 2021 - New Headline Features

[GPower88]

21 hours ago, bobbyb12345 said:

The animation for "Direct  Counter Attack" looks brilliant then you see it in the ME and it's just defenders blasting the ball 40 yards up field to nobody in particular.

That 40 yard hoof is the only through ball down the middle I've seen in Fm20

[DementedHammer]

1 hour ago, kingking said:

In particular, Icons are very efficient way to compress complex information and communicate complex ideas efficiently for example GREEN = GOOD, YELLOW = OK, RED = BAD.

As long as the colours are configurable. Otherwise a red-green colourblind player won't have a clue what's going on. 

[DementedHammer]

52 minutes ago, Impacto said:

Yes, there is an option to mask attributes, but that doesn't work very well IMO

Out of interest, what part don't you think works well?

[KiLLu12258]

another week ends today and still we did not see anything from the new ME.

[Wizard boy]

23 minutes ago, KiLLu12258 said:

another week ends today and still we did not see anything from the new ME.

I’ve seen little bits of it on YouTube. Looks pretty much same as 20 which was to be expected because of Covid. 

[Tiger666]

7 minutes ago, Wizard boy said:

I’ve seen little bits of it on YouTube. Looks pretty much same as 20 which was to be expected because of Covid. 

Why would Covid prevent changes to the match engine?

[Mars_Blackmon]

40 minutes ago, DementedHammer said:

Out of interest, what part don't you think works well?

In my opinion, it’s ugly to look at having numbers say “14-20”. As I said in a previous post, the further away it looks from a spreadsheet then the better.

 

It’s also not hard to figure out once you have scouted enough of the player.

[Wizard boy]

14 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

Why would Covid prevent changes to the match engine?

From what some have said they won’t have been able to work on the game like normal, working from home. Whether this is correct only SI can tell us but Covid must have had an affect. 

[Tiger666]

Just now, Wizard boy said:

From what some have said they won’t have been able to work on the game like normal, working from home. Whether this is correct only SI can tell us but Covid must have had an affect. 

Yeah sure but they've been able to change a lot of other things as we've seen from the announcements. I fail to see why they could change the UI, scouting meetings or create role animations but not make changes to the match engine.

[rafaelbenitez]

From their first feature blogs:

https://www.footballmanager.com/features/matchday

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Note – we’re not talking, today, about the changes to the match AI. Of course, there are lots of improvements there, but we’ll show some of those off with videos before release.

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by rafaelbenitez

[Pav_Makarov]

The amount of people, who mean graphics, when saying ME is too damn high

Anyway, match mechanics is the last, they usually announce, so chill. 

[tyro]

Engine: Vroom Vroom (makes it go)

Graphics: oooooh (makes it look nice)

 

 

[Tiger666]

I don't care about graphics at all, I play on 2D. I want full backs to be picked up by defenders, wingers not to stop and smack the ball against the defenders legs all the time, I want my defenders to stop heading the ball back across their own box, strikers to stop shooting at the keeper, players to obey set piece instructions etc etc.

[Impacto]

1 hour ago, DementedHammer said:

Out of interest, what part don't you think works well?

 

50 minutes ago, Mars_Blackmon said:

In my opinion, it’s ugly to look at having numbers say “14-20”. As I said in a previous post, the further away it looks from a spreadsheet then the better.

 

It’s also not hard to figure out once you have scouted enough of the player.

It's not just that. When you sell a player that you knew for 5 seasons, within a few months you automatically lose knowledge of him like you never knew him. I hate that.

And the whole system is wrong IMO, because it's the same thing, it just takes some time to scout the players. At the end you still know everything about the player like he's been in your training sessions for months. That's not how scouting works. In FM 90% of the transfers you make are succesful. IRL that's not the case. Half the time you don't know what you're getting. So all attribute masking does is delay a transfer and makes you click a button and wait a month. Then you know everything about the player like he is yours(until you sell him and magically forget everything you knew). There is almost no risk signing players. That makes wheeling and dealing super easy and unrealistic. 

[Freakiie]

Yup, it's nearly impossible for a manager to sign a complete flop, as we know the exact stats of a player. Even the hidden stats we're roughly aware off, even though there's nothing that should tell you about them. How do you know that a player that's played in his home country his entire life is perfectly adaptable to moving to another country? How can you tell personalities of a youth player that played 2 matches in the U19 and that's it? Why do you know a player is highly injury prone when he has a clean sheet regarding injuries?

[obasa_G]

 

[AndyEs]

Has there been anything on the tactics section? Specifically pressing triggers?

In real life so many team press situationally, off bad touches, when the ball is in a certain position. Would be cool to see in game and build on the tactics section even further from the in possession, transition & without ball segments.

[jimbo22]

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And will end today's thread with something for those who like to add & remove leagues. You can make divisions in a nation you have playable "view only", not just the entire nation. Eg - you can have a top division "playable" & the lower divisions "view only" #FM21features #speed

 

Now thats something that has my interest. I like to load as many leagues as possible and for some of them I load just the top league, this will add depth having the lower leagues as view only. 

[IrrelevantLion]

Hoping that deflections are seriously reduced in the next game. Players literally smash the ball into an opposition player, and it ricochets almost always towards their team-mates

[Tiger666]

14 minutes ago, AndyEs said:

Has there been anything on the tactics section? Specifically pressing triggers?

In real life so many team press situationally, off bad touches, when the ball is in a certain position. Would be cool to see in game and build on the tactics section even further from the in possession, transition & without ball segments.

I don't think you'll be seeing anything that advanced.

[saihtam]

Can mods please make topic of big and small features that have been shared via twitter and Instagram? Dont understand what threshold you are waiting

Edited October 30, 2020 by saihtam

[HUNT3R]

20 minutes ago, saihtam said:

Can mods please make topic of big and small features that have been shared via twitter and Instagram? Dont understand what threshold you are waiting

SI (Neil) has mentioned a few times that there will be a round-up of features in a separate thread.

[Opi1ym]

Can someone answear will epic games fm21 version include a pre-editor or just steam one?

Edited October 30, 2020 by Opi1ym

[McClane29]

Anyone else a bit concerned with the lack of team colours on display with the new skin?

Most screenshots so far show Watford, but there is virtually no yellow (team colours) in the titlebar and every screen looks too similar.

Just my view, but I like the team colour of the team I'm managing or club I'm viewing to be quite prominent on the screen, like all other FM/CM editions have done.

[autohoratio]

19 minutes ago, McClane29 said:

Anyone else a bit concerned with the lack of team colours on display with the new skin?

Most screenshots so far show Watford, but there is virtually no yellow (team colours) in the titlebar and every screen looks too similar.

Just my view, but I like the team colour of the team I'm managing or club I'm viewing to be quite prominent on the screen, like all other FM/CM editions have done.

The inclusion of Slightly More Purple each year at the expense of every other hue is a Feature™ for some reason

[Hallothere]

Wont the new Xg feature expose the big bug with the conversion rates in FM 20?

 

as many people have stated, does it seem like the AI only need 1-3 shots on target to score, where as "we" need 5-10 shot to score.

 

arent SI afraid that this will be so clear with XG, so they cant just ignore peoples posts about it anymore?

[gunner86]

11 minutes ago, Hallothere said:

Wont the new Xg feature expose the big bug with the conversion rates in FM 20?

 

as many people have stated, does it seem like the AI only need 1-3 shots on target to score, where as "we" need 5-10 shot to score.

 

arent SI afraid that this will be so clear with XG, so they cant just ignore peoples posts about it anymore?

On the other hand. It will show that the 3 AI shots they had (and the one that they scored from) are probably much better quality than the 28 shots the human team managed.

[Hallothere]

2 minutes ago, gunner86 said:

On the other hand. It will show that the 3 AI shots they had (and the one that they scored from) are probably much better quality than the 28 shots the human team managed.

I will give you that one, but even if that happened, my total xg would still be much greater than the opponent.

And if you have played the game you would definitely have seen a lot of matches where the ai had one free kick/set pieces or long shot, where they scored, and the human controlled team just keep on missing sitters

[gunner86]

14 minutes ago, Hallothere said:

I will give you that one, but even if that happened, my total xg would still be much greater than the opponent.

And if you have played the game you would definitely have seen a lot of matches where the ai had one free kick/set pieces or long shot, where they scored, and the human controlled team just keep on missing sitters

On the first point, the total is not what matters. It’s better to have 1 shot with an 80% chance of success than 10 shots with a 10% chance of success. Yes, the team with 10 shots has a higher xG, but not a higher probability of scoring.

On your second point, yep, I’ve definitely seen that. I’ve also played games where I’ve been battered and still won 1-0 - I’ve “FM’d FM” as it’s known.

I’m not saying the game is perfect, far from it. But I think it’s genuinely unlikely they’d be doing it if it was going to expose massive flaws.

[DementedHammer]

5 hours ago, Impacto said:

It's not just that....

Thanks for filling me in on your standpoint. 

We're broadly in agreement. 

I'd also like it when joining a new team that the attributes would be gradually unmasked, rather than walking in the door and suddenly having full knowledge of all players, reserves and youth players. 

[FedAt]

9 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

The role suitability green circle thingy's gone?

I also missed this info

[Johnny Ace]

2 minutes ago, FedAt said:

I also missed this info

The tactics screen looks strange without it 

[FedAt]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

The tactics screen looks strange without it 

wonder is this view settings or role of particular player doesn't matter anymore and role will be just a set of instructions

[Johnny Ace]

2 minutes ago, FedAt said:

wonder is this view settings or role of particular player doesn't matter anymore and role will be just a set of instructions

Interesting point, I'm guessing it matters else everyone will be running the goalkeeper up front experiment  

[isignedupfornorealreason]

42 minutes ago, gunner86 said:

Yes, the team with 10 shots has a higher xG, but not a higher probability of scoring.

If it's 10 shots at 80% chance though... :P

 

I just came off a game which was like that and it was super annoying. Hit the woodwork five times, had three one on ones hit right at the keeper, and a superb free-kick that was brilliantly saved.

Now, I won that match, (which is why I'm not whining :P) but I bet the xG for that was something nonsensical like 8 xG. And I dread to see the reaction of people when they get a 0-1 result from that, if it happens on a consistent basis haha.

[gunner86]

14 minutes ago, isignedupfornorealreason said:

If it's 10 shots at 80% chance though... :P

 

I just came off a game which was like that and it was super annoying. Hit the woodwork five times, had three one on ones hit right at the keeper, and a superb free-kick that was brilliantly saved.

Now, I won that match, (which is why I'm not whining :P) but I bet the xG for that was something nonsensical like 8 xG. And I dread to see the reaction of people when they get a 0-1 result from that, if it happens on a consistent basis haha.

Oh yeah. No doubt it will happen, but I was just pointing out that it’s not biased either way against the human player because I’ve been on both sides of it.

And woodwork, Jesus, that’s a lot of woodwork hits at the moment.

Hopefully all this comes together for an improved ME

Edited October 30, 2020 by gunner86

[Freakiie]

1 hour ago, gunner86 said:

On the other hand. It will show that the 3 AI shots they had (and the one that they scored from) are probably much better quality than the 28 shots the human team managed.

That just means the ME is rigged to give the AI better chances!

People will always complain, before it was "muh CCCs", now it'll be "I had better xG but lost!!" or "My xG was so high but I never scored!".

[autohoratio]

I wonder, will this issue be fixed for FM21? It's a pretty ridiculous oversight to remove the ability to delegate U21/etc tactics to the U21 manager if you're in control of the individual training for youth players.

 

[SazoJohnno]

I finally caved in and preordered. The features isn't as big as I'd expect but the QoL and some little features are much needed, at least on my side, that I am quite happy to "splash out" for. Keep up the good work SI

[limey150781]

It'll all come down to ME. I thought 20 was the best game ever in terms of being immersive with everything else. The ME just meant there was no enjoyment when actually playing the games. I've been playing since the Amiga days and 20 was the first time I finished playing by March when si didn't change anything after the final patch. 

 

[davehanson]

I don't follow the updates on social media. Trying to read through here, have we been given any information yet on changes to the ME? Thanks.

[ferrarinseb]

1 minute ago, davehanson said:

I don't follow the updates on social media. Trying to read through here, have we been given any information yet on changes to the ME? Thanks.

No info on ME as of yet. Possibly in the next week we might get some info.

[OlivierL]

is it 10/11 november yet ? new Lockdown in Belgium so we have time  

[Johnny Ace]

16 minutes ago, OlivierL said:

is it 10/11 november yet ? new Lockdown in Belgium so we have time  

Would be good timing, wouldn't it?

I'm guessing by 10th November the UK will be lockdown 

[davehanson]

2 hours ago, ferrarinseb said:

No info on ME as of yet. Possibly in the next week we might get some info.

Thanks. Hopefully we will. I would say I cant believe they are leaving the announcements so late and close to the Beta dropping, but they do this every year. It's almost like they dont want people to know what is different each year 

[tyro]

15 minutes ago, davehanson said:

Thanks. Hopefully we will. I would say I cant believe they are leaving the announcements so late and close to the Beta dropping, but they do this every year. It's almost like they dont want people to know what is different each year 

Or they are still working on it and release the beta as soon as it is stable enough. 

Cup half empty or half full :)

[Wizard boy]

30 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

Would be good timing, wouldn't it?

I'm guessing by 10th November the UK will be lockdown 

Looking more likely to be from Monday for a month which is gonna be bad for those going to pick their PS5. 

[Johnny Ace]

2 minutes ago, Wizard boy said:

Looking more likely to be from Monday for a month which is gonna be bad for those going to pick their PS5. 

That soon?! Crikey, we've only just gone into tier 2 from this morning here, that sucks enough 

[davehanson]

25 minutes ago, tyro said:

Or they are still working on it and release the beta as soon as it is stable enough. 

Cup half empty or half full

I'm not on about the Beta release. They will know now what is in the game and what isn't. They will know what has improved in the ME.

[saihtam]

Considering this week had no mayor features announced dont see beta happening next week.

  

18 hours ago, HUNT3R said:

SI (Neil) has mentioned a few times that there will be a round-up of features in a separate thread.

He mentioed that they need to hit some specific goal or amount. Yes the thread will pop up, but dont understand why cant have it now and add while they are poping up.
Or they will wait for FM21 sub threats and create it under there.

Edited October 31, 2020 by saihtam