treble_yell_:-) Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: A significant number of FM attempt to play below spec every year. The user base isn't on the the same level as the average steam user. So making large leaps in requirements is always unlikely We are talking 12 year old tech here. Eventually they are going to have to take the jump and potentially leave a % of the player base behind. Maybe you are privy to the % of users still playing on below Pentium 4 processors ? According to steam hardware survey dated September 2020 less that 1% of people are using a Pentium 4 or equivalent and less that 6% ish are using the required GPU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, davehanson said: This is the factors that form the basis of xG: Assist type - long ball, through ball etc. Was it a header? Was the ball struck with the foot? Was it a big chance? Angle of the shot Distance of the shot Was it a one-on-one? Did it occur in open play or a from a set-piece? I can get all of that from the data analysis now. Yes, it will now be a lot easier to see now, not going to disagree, but the information is already there all xG is doing is turning it into a formula. That doesn't change what I said. The data is there, the model is not. The model is the important bit, and that's clearly new. Whether one thinks it's an important feature or not is up to them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairyTailed Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Dagenham_Dave said: Mainly by people who are never satisfied. That's just not true though. The ME is the core of entire FM. It has been terrible this year and even the post March fix wasn't the greatest and leaves much to be desired and open for frustration. If you think this is only a concern from a group of people who are never satisfied, I think you need to open your eyes a bit more. It's a continuing negative claim which has been recurring for months. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehanson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Dagenham_Dave said: Mainly by people who are never satisfied. There is absolutely no chance that the match engine will be 'radically reworked' this year. I'm sure you can work out why. And it comes back again to people not liking other people having any opinion that is different to theirs. 'I am happy with the ME you lot are never happy go and play something else' And, like many others if it hasn't then I won't be buying. Yes I realise the little thing called covid. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlyzao Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, rosque said: Am I the only one that is actually hyped about the game? xG, agent interactions (CHECK PLAYER AVAILABILITY), better interactions, better pressers. All stuff you lot asked for and got in a short teaser trailer. And we have not even touched on the ME. I swear this forum is sometimes the most toxic cesspool of people and it's getting worse. Maybe it's the furstration of covid-19 speaking or something else but to say that nothing has changed and that nothing is new is asinine in my opinion. There will be a longer breakdown of features in the future. People are moaning about ***** positioning of defenders and ask for better ME. You people do realize that players make mistakes? How did Lpool play the other week when they got absolutely smashed? Would you save scum, ask on forums what's wrong and yell that the game is broken if that happened to you? How many times have we seen players do stupid things on the field? Good ME allows for players to make mistakes, be poorly positioned etc. Is ME perfect? No. Is it bad? HELL NO. Go and play FIFA, PES on simulation and actually watch the game and ignore the graphical fidelity. It is nothing like football we see on FM and for a good reason. Their ME sucks camel ass. There are some glaring issues and limitations with the current ME and we work around those things as well as with tactics creator. The comments from the past few pages really made me angry that peoeple are moaning and complaining about everything - nothing about feature, why so short TRAILER(?), why pre-orders, why this why that. If the game or developer are making you mad about something as minor as dripping the information leading to the release (to get us hyped, and all game devs do it that release yearly) then you need to take a deep breath, go read a book, call your family or friends and have a chat with them (be responsible!), take a stroll around the neighborhood (be responsible!), take up working out - something else cos obviously that this might just not be for you. As for me? I will be preordering the game as soon as I get my next paycheck which should be tomorrow. Do not remember the last time I had as much fun playing FM as this year. Truly an escape from the worst year in my life - grandma dying, covid19, two life-threatening earthquakes, breaking up with gf after 4 years and something that's not as personal but still affected me - Kobe dying. Time and time again FM has enabled me to dive in for a bit and escape all the bad stuff that has happened in my life in this year. (not saying i've had the worst year of you all...). No other game has offered me that this year and for that reason alone I will pre-order the game as I did for last who-knows how many years. 1200 hours and counting. Bringing AC Milan to it's glory, bringing Bolton to Prem, making Famalicao best team in Portugal (rip career thread due to me being lazy), reviving Heerenveen atm... Love you all, stay responsible! If comments on the internet are making you that mad «then you need to take a deep breath, go read a book, call your family or friends and have a chat with them (be responsible!), take a stroll around the neighborhood (be responsible!), take up working out - something else cos obviously that this might just not be for you.» Edited October 13, 2020 by orlyzao 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, treble_yell_:-) said: We are talking 12 year old tech here. Eventually they are going to have to take the jump and potentially leave a % of the player base behind. Maybe you are privy to the % of users still playing on below Pentium 4 processors ? According to steam hardware survey dated September 2020 less that 1% of people are using a Pentium 4 or equivalent and less that 6% ish are using the required GPU As I already said, the FM user base is not on the same level as the average steam user base Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, FairyTailed said: That's just not true though. The ME is the core of entire FM. It has been terrible this year And yet record numbers have consistently been playing it this year. Simply wouldn't happen if the ME was 'terrible'. It's not like FM attracts people with the glitz and glamour like FIFA does regardless of how poor the actual game is. If the match engine was 'terrible', people simply wouldn't play it. But that's not the case. Play the demo this year, if you don't think it's improved any, don't buy it. No-one has a gun to your head. It's a computer game. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoned_assasin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Long gone are the days where i buy FM at release which is something i did religiously from the very 1st CM. The biggest issue being the ME has been lacking for MANY years now which kills alot of the fun for me. Don't get me wrong i do very well in game too well infact but i feel its more because i understand the ME more over the years and what its trying to tell me but it does a very very poor job in doing so hence why a ton of people complain about what they see their players doing on the pitch. Yes the issue would be 99% of the time their tactic but thats the problem the ME does a terrible job in explaining this. When im managing a match on FM it feels exactly that nothing like real life im just trying to keep up with what the ME is trying to show me and what ive learned to fix it. It feels nothing like managing a game of football and more like finding the correct formula the ME wants you to have for the current match. Fix this one glaring issue which has been asked for years now and i for one will be happy to support you every year as a lover of the series. But until this glaring issue gets fixed im afraid any new additions just don't seem anywhere near as important atm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post davehanson Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said: And yet record numbers have consistently been playing it this year. Simply wouldn't happen if the ME was 'terrible'. It's not like FM attracts people with the glitz and glamour like FIFA does regardless of how poor the actual game is. If the match engine was 'terrible', people simply wouldn't play it. But that's not the case. Play the demo this year, if you don't think it's improved any, don't buy it. No-one has a gun to your head. It's a computer game. Can you tell me any other time when FM was given away free, either for a prolonged period of time or permanently? Do you think this has anything to do with the record numbers? Covid may also have had quite a significant impact here too with most of us forced indoors for months on end. Numbers don't make a game or anything great. I am not saying FM isn't popular - of course it is, most of us love the series. This ME is terrible for me and other users. What you think is your own thoughts - what we think is up to us. Edited October 13, 2020 by davehanson 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, davehanson said: Can you tell me any other time when FM was given away free, either for a prolonged period of time or permanently? Do you think this has anything to do with the record numbers? Covid may also have had quite a significant impact here too with most of us forced indoors for months on end. I am not saying FM isn't popular - of course it is, most of us love the series. This ME is terrible for me and other users. What you think is your own thoughts - what we think is up to us. TBF, pretty sure FM20 had hit records before the giveaways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehanson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: TBF, pretty sure FM20 had hit records before the giveaways Quote Numbers don't make a game or anything great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, davehanson said: Never said it did I simply stated it set records before the giveaways. Whether people think it's good is subjective and entirely up to them 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoned_assasin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, davehanson said: Can you tell me any other time when FM was given away free, either for a prolonged period of time or permanently? Do you think this has anything to do with the record numbers? Covid may also have had quite a significant impact here too with most of us forced indoors for months on end. I am not saying FM isn't popular - of course it is, most of us love the series. This ME is terrible for me and other users. What you think is your own thoughts - what we think is up to us. FM has been growing over the years for sure partly because football itself has grown more on tv and also because SI/Sega has branched out more making the game available in more places than ever before. This for me is part reason why SI got a little lazy but also if your growing then its ofc more risk to change a working formula. But for sure what seems to be happening is the fan base is becoming much more casual and over the years FM has been losing its hardcore fanbase. Just look at these forums years ago this place used to be about 10x busier than it is now Edited October 13, 2020 by stoned_assasin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paulo Magalhães Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 ME of FM2020 is poor, I don't like it, but I still try to play this game. Why? Because unfortunately, that's what we have. I refuse to play the older versions, even because I want to play the most updated game as possible (I don't mean only de database, but the other stuff as well), but still, ME is poor and need a giant overhaul. It should be rewritten from scratch, sincerelly 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 ora fa, rosque ha scritto: Am I the only one that is actually hyped about the game? Yes it seems you are the only one. Nothing bad with it, there was nothing to be hyped for from a trailer showing very few and very fast, in my opinion. But if you feel hyped, good for you! 1 ora fa, rosque ha scritto: agent interactions (CHECK PLAYER AVAILABILITY), better interactions, better pressers. All stuff you lot asked for and got in a short teaser trailer. No wait. Are you seriously saying people from this forum asked for better interactions, better press conferences and better agent interactions? People? from this forum?? Oh my, which forum I attended through these 12 years? (no "funny" replies please ) 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FairyTailed Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said: And yet record numbers have consistently been playing it this year. Simply wouldn't happen if the ME was 'terrible'. It's not like FM attracts people with the glitz and glamour like FIFA does regardless of how poor the actual game is. If the match engine was 'terrible', people simply wouldn't play it. But that's not the case. Play the demo this year, if you don't think it's improved any, don't buy it. No-one has a gun to your head. It's a computer game. Gangnam Style has 3,8 billion views on YouTube, what a great song that must be. As other people have correctly said before, numbers mean nothing in isolation. One big reason for the number increase is Covid. Another is that, despite what you claim, the way FM presents itself is the reason why people buy it. If FM would make a release video that fully showcases the Match Engine in its good and in its bad, the sales would be comparably lower. Most casual players are attracted by what they see visually - which usually isn't the Match Engine as evident from this preview video again. Most casual players also don't bother diving much into the game. Their tactic works for a month, then it stops working, they blame it on the Match Engine and start a new save. A lot of them don't know how to try and adapt to the Match Engine. What concerns those types of player, I can understand the concern that you shouldn't take their opinion of a terrible Match Engine seriously. However, very few people of that genre reside on these forums. If you look through all the problems reported about the Match Engine in the past year(s), you'll see posts that are more sophisticated in research that come up with plenty of bugs or non realistic actions. A lot of people on these forums actively try to understand and get better at the game. And guess what? Only to get more frustrated when the system shows its failures. Moreover, casual players actually have much right to complain these recent times, as some of the bugs and wrong implementations are so major that they're not even a part of how you setup a tactic or how you learn to work around it. No matter what you do, you'll always see a player on the wing go to the byline, wait for a minute so the fullback of the defense can drop back, and then cross it against their leg. No matter what you do the Match Engine, you'll always have defenders standing in place on a counter while they watch a striker pass by before surging back to defend. No matter what there's 10's of these examples. FM has three core elements. Player database, ability to create tactics and Match Engine. The last one has been long overdue for a good remake and fix. But instead, what gets most focussed on is added features. Also, I don't care about your nonsense of "Don't buy it if you think it's bad!". No, I pre-ordered the game because I love it and I want this game to get better. I have faith in the developers, still, but they also need to act. There seems to be this notion that if you hate on the Match Engine you must hate the game and just not buy it. False. I want the game to thrive. That's why I focus on an issue that's been so poor over the past years. I want it to be fixed. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, stoned_assasin said: over the years FM has been losing its hardcore fanbase. Just look at these forums years ago this place used to be about 10x busier than it is now Forums in general aren't as popular as they once were, many people only use social media to interact online nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Bored Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Interesting teaser and fully expect some more in-depth stuff to follow. Seems to me these types of 'announcements' always focus on the new, so if there are detailed match engine or say transfer AI improvements it's not really the sort of thing you put in a teaser trailer. Fact there's a dinked goal in the video, when that's clearly something we haven't really seen in the past would suggest work has been done on the ME. Looking forward to seeing more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hopefully interactions with agents will also be available for selling your own players. That would be even more interesting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, FairyTailed said: No matter what you do, you'll always see a player on the wing go to the byline, wait for a minute so the fullback of the defense can drop back, and then cross it against their leg. I've played this game for over 2000 hours, and never once seen that happen. Seen crosses blocked of course, but never because the winger has casually waited for the defender to catch up. I do agree defensive AI still needs improving, but then when you watch attempts at defending in real life, some of the mistakes players make would cause people to go apopleptic with rage if it happened on FM. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, FairyTailed said: I hope "ask agent for player availability" will allow us to get contracting with players regardless of having a deal with the club first. How often does it happen in real life teams agree terms with players first? All the time. This is what I'm hoping too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jorgen_B said: As I said: nothing new, nothing ... I think this is a manifestation of disrespect for the fans of the game. I think you're showing disrespect to SI by saying nothing has changed based on a 1 minute teaser! I honestly get the feeling some of you on here enjoy criticising the game, as you do nothing but moan all the time. Edited October 13, 2020 by Gee_Simpson 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoned_assasin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said: Forums in general aren't as popular as they once were, many people only use social media to interact online nowadays. But this forum is still popular as we see in this thread so people do still come here but interest seems to die down far far sooner than it used to and the place becomes a ghost town not that long after a new release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, stoned_assasin said: But this forum is still popular as we see in this thread so people do still come here but interest seems to die down far far sooner than it used to and the place becomes a ghost town not that long after a new release. Many parts of this forum is really active all year round, but GD is becoming more and more vile, so many avoid it. Take a look in the football subforum for example. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoned_assasin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, XaW said: Many parts of this forum is really active all year round, but GD is becoming more and more vile, so many avoid it. Take a look in the football subforum for example. I haven't been there so ill take you up on that advice thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post He can't believe he's missed it Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's funny how those who claim these threads are toxic are the same who try to belittle and reject anyone who says anything negative that they don't agree with 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzachips Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, stoned_assasin said: But this forum is still popular as we see in this thread so people do still come here but interest seems to die down far far sooner than it used to and the place becomes a ghost town not that long after a new release. ah there 's alot of over the top negativity that can be off putting (and that's not me being a fanboy/ blind to issues) but its a bit hysterical at times. i.e some of the reactions & conclusions based on that first trailer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanMilly Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Kids, I've said once before - behave. If there's any more insults thrown around trying to get a rise out of the other side, we'll just end up having to remove posts and issue warnings. Now act like adults, please, and at least pretend to give a little respect to each other. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Candy Cadet Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) I said it when FM20 came out and it's the same for FM21. I don't want added features that make the game more realistic but the make the game 'less fun'. I would rather see a more refined and polished version of what we already had. Club vision was something I was really looking forward to in FM20, but it was a broken mess at the start and continues to be a broken mess that makes the experience worse not better. The new addition of press conferences looks the same. People don't really like them now but I'm not sure how making it so you can select a journalist (as it appears in the trailer) and answer a question makes it more 'fun'. Just something to waste time on or like everything else, send the assistant as what happens doesn't really impact on the results. The ME in FM20 was bad and was patched it by nerfing some other aspects of it. Pressing is still is way OP, playing with a formation with a back 3 still really hit and miss and headers are still atrocious. I've played over 1000 hours each version for the past few year with a mate and we just play around the flaws partially because there is no other decent option. SI have a monopoly in football management games so if you like these types of games, you don't really have much choice. Edited October 14, 2020 by Candy Cadet 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Candy Cadet said: The ME in FM20 was bad, SI said they couldn't fix it properly Interesting revisionism, and completely incaccurate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matisptfan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The 1 minute trailer is not enough to form an opinion yet and for the last few years I don't really like the way these announcements are made - someone compared it recently to what a Fortnite video looks like and it almost seems that's the audience the video wants to cater to. This year, more than ever, the idea of trying the demo before purchasing should prevail. Hopefully the demo gets released not too long after the full game's release date I'll be following Twitter / Youtube for the next announcements. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thanks SI for the release of the the video. But 1 minute teaser, is hardly to see anything properly. But there is another factor that needs to be considered here. How much of these "new features" will be included in FMT? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KingCanary Posted October 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 hours ago, He can't believe he's missed it said: It's funny how those who claim these threads are toxic are the same who try to belittle and reject anyone who says anything negative that they don't agree with This isn't a knock but I'm constantly surprised when I pop my head in here and see people referring to this forum as 'toxic' or similar. It is probably one the tamest and politest forums I've seen on the internet and often feels a touch over moderated. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I think it's telling that we only have a 1 minute teaser, which jumps all over the place requiring you to pause it to see anything, essentially hiding the game. I don't think they have much of anything to show, new database and new match engine version plus some console friendly UI changes. In light of Covid, a move to Xbox, I'm happy with that and will pick it up at some point. Still be great value. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr U Rosler said: I think it's telling that we only have a 1 minute teaser, which jumps all over the place requiring you to pause it to see anything, essentially hiding the game. I don't think they have much of anything to show, new database and new match engine version plus some console friendly UI changes. In light of Covid, a move to Xbox, I'm happy with that and will pick it up at some point. Still be great value. They've always done just a teaser style and then released more features. There's no way anyone can credibly infer one way or another. Forum needs to relax a little Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikeologist Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: They've always done just a teaser style and then released more features. There's no way anyone can credibly infer one way or another. Forum needs to relax a little I don't think there's anything that lessens my faith in humanity than this topic (and equivalents) during this yearly stage of the process. Some say that SI should release the game less often than once a year, but I think they should release it daily so that the psychologically incontinent can be freed from the trauma of each stage of game development and release taking more than a couple of hours. Conversely I rather enjoy the 3 or 4 days leading up to the unknowable drop time of the beta, although it is a bit depressing that I spend about 1% of my life in that fevered anticipation, refreshing my browser every 5 minutes with no reward other than the reassurance of a shared torment. Edited October 14, 2020 by vikeologist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingstontom88 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: As for the ME: There's absolutely no way anyone can have a credible view one way or another on it. Indeed. There's no way - in any case what's shown in that video is probably short of the build for the BETA anyway. Will wait until the video showing match highlights (touching on animations and anything else ME related) to form a proper view. I wasn't a fan of the FM20 ME so I'm hopeful we see some improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hopefully, we'll get a Twitch stream at some point soon, as we do every year a few weeks before Beta. Would be nice to see FM21 in action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 It's way too early to be kicking off I'm looking forward to the feature releases & live streams over the next few weeks, certainly helping to keep my mind off what's happening in the real world 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverLime Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 18 hours ago, forameuss said: So you watched videos, and deemed just from them that one felt like "real life football" and one didn't? Seems like pre-conceived notions to me. Neither product is very good, neither product does everything well, both have glaring weaknesses. Overall though, the better one is from EA. And to be honest, you can talk about how FIFA is all style and no substance, but maybe Konami should actually realise that style is actually quite important at times. But we're not here to debate the finer points of two completely unrelated games to FM. To bring it back relating to that, I'd be very, very worried if SI went down the route Konami are trying. I played both for ~20 hours, and after playing PES 21 (never really played PES), FIFA 21 (which I played every year, having hundreds of hours) just seems dull. FIFA gameplay is so arcadey (didn't notice that before). I didn't like PES either, because their menus are outdated, online mode is complete trash. Anyway, PES gameplay feels like a real game of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Figo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Can anybody tell me the difference between the EU addition and the UK edition that appears on the CDKeys website. i have ordered the EU addition at £25.99 - will that mean it will not work in the UK? Also, I understand that they offer BETA (which they never used to). Is that right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Amarante said: You don't play FM for graphics though, a sizeable part of this player base don't even use 3D they use 2D. You can see that your tactics are working from 2D movement of dots. iirc Miles said on Twitter last year that >90% of the playerbase still plays in 3D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, KingCanary said: This isn't a knock but I'm constantly surprised when I pop my head in here and see people referring to this forum as 'toxic' or similar. It is probably one the tamest and politest forums I've seen on the internet and often feels a touch over moderated. Absolutely under moderated is an understatement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnny Ace said: It's way too early to be kicking off I'm looking forward to the feature releases & live streams over the next few weeks, certainly helping to keep my mind off what's happening in the real world Teasers might not be for everyone, which is fair enough, what people like or not like is subjective. But some of the "definitive" statements around just can't be made yet. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Teasers might not be for everyone, which is fair enough, what people like or not like is subjective. But some of the "definitive" statements around just can't be made yet. ME calls on 5 seconds of footage is a tad dramatic, at least wait for the beta 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I guess we are getting closer for " Chuck norris thread aka Beta release today? thread" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotKettleBlack Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Is it just me that is finding it hard to get excited for FM21? xG will be the new chances created Body language will just either be skipped, broken or may not work Media handling - skipped as always Match day looks like a new skin like every new fm I guess I hope they actually do things that people want like having a decent new stable ME, something to use money on that you've earnt in game etc. I do also understand that with covid it even makes it harder again. Probably the first FM I will skip since even CM days 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, ferrarinseb said: I guess we are getting closer for " Chuck norris thread aka Beta release today? thread" I believe it’s official title is “best thread of the year” 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, gunner86 said: I believe it’s official title is “best thread of the year” Is that what it was called last year? I often rememberd it as Chuck norris thread or Chuck norris appreciation thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, ferrarinseb said: Is that what it was called last year? I often rememberd it as Chuck norris thread or Chuck norris appreciation thread. I can’t remember why it was called but boy was there a lot of gifs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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