Pukey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 No yellow card for that ffs And time should definitely be stopped during VAR reviews, at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgreenio Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 France have done nothing and scored 2 goals, got to be worried if you're a Croatian right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Giroud still not had a shot on target this tournament. Kane scored 6 goals and gets all sorts of **** thrown his way. Giroud hasn't had 4 penalties and a deflection of his heel tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, craigcwwe said: Giroud still not had a shot on target this tournament. Kane scored 6 goals and gets all sorts of **** thrown his way. Well, Kane is supposed to score, Giroud is there to open up space for Griezmann and Mbappe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 If this continues, I suspect that the statistics from this match will be frequently brought up whenever anyone complains of being cheated by the AI on FM19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Marc Albrighton said: I can understand both sides of the argument for that penalty but how can anyone say its "obviously" not a penalty? It’s not about whether it was “obviously” not a penalty, it’s whether the original decision in real time (no pen) was “obviously” wrong. If you can feasibly argue it both ways it’s not an obvious error, therefore shouldn’t be corrected. I feel like I’ve posted this in about 20 threads but this is never how VAR was supposed to be used. It should have been used only to correct absolute howlers that people remember years later, not to review every tangle of legs or ball-to-hand moments. It’s ruined it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 il y a 1 minute, craigcwwe a dit : Giroud still not had a shot on target this tournament. Kane scored 6 goals and gets all sorts of **** thrown his way. Giroud is a central defender and a defensive midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Can Putin prevent rain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Croatia are so strong mentally that I think they will come out and score one more. However France could well improve and score another 2. Can't wait to see the second half. Shearer bang on A FK that wasn't a FK and a penalty that wasn't a penalty. suppose there's an irony in these corrupt Croatian players being robbed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, CFuller said: If this continues, I suspect that the statistics from this match will be frequently brought up whenever anyone complains of being cheated by the AI on FM19. Yeah, no more arguments against AI bias when Croatia conceded from penalty and own goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thengil Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 France have scored after a dive and a very dubious penalty. Croatia very hard done by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 For me, the movement by Perisic was instinctive in the same way you quickly fumble to try and grab your phone when you begin dropping it. Not exactly deliberate but not accidental either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, JDownie said: I remember someone saying in here thst there is a referee from a certain nation (Argentina?) Who ALWAYS gives 1 minute at HT no matter what and usually blows about 50 seconds anyway. How is he even a professional ref? I remember watching that game and he did exactly this when there could have been 3+ given easily. Aren't German refs notorious for not adding any time in the first half? Max. 1 min most of the time. This game feels like I'm watching a certain Italian team winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, JDownie said: I remember someone saying in here thst there is a referee from a certain nation (Argentina?) Who ALWAYS gives 1 minute at HT no matter what and usually blows about 50 seconds anyway. How is he even a professional ref? I remember watching that game and he did exactly this when there could have been 3+ given easily. Aren't German refs notorious for not adding any time in the first half? Max. 1 min most of the time. Perišić pulled a reverse Materazzi, btw. This game feels like I'm watching a certain Italian team winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 France extremely lucky so far. Hopefully Croatia managers to equalise somewhere soon in the second half, they are playing really well and France doesn't look very confident in the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: It’s not about whether it was “obviously” not a penalty, it’s whether the original decision in real time (no pen) was “obviously” wrong. If you can feasibly argue it both ways it’s not an obvious error, therefore shouldn’t be corrected. I feel like I’ve posted this in about 20 threads but this is never how VAR was supposed to be used. It should have been used only to correct absolute howlers that people remember years later, not to review every tangle of legs or ball-to-hand moments. It’s ruined it. It should help make major decisions correctly. That was a major decision. The ref looked at it and decided he got it wrong the first time. VAR working as intended Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigmore Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pukey said: There was nothing wrong at all with VAR then imo, I'm 100% happy with that incident being referred to the referee. I have serious misgivings with it if it is actively causing referees to make poor decisions. Conceptually VAR is potentially a really good thing. The way it is used at the moment is not workable, and it shouldn’t be in major competition until it works. It should only be an enhancement to decision making and never a detriment. At the moment it is both an enhancement and a detriment, and that’s not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Weezer said: Giroud hasn't had 4 penalties and a deflection of his heel tbf 1 minute ago, Constantine said: Well, Kane is supposed to score, Giroud is there to open up space for Griezmann and Mbappe. You can spin it however you like but Giroud is playing upfront for a team in the WC Final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: It’s not about whether it was “obviously” not a penalty, it’s whether the original decision in real time (no pen) was “obviously” wrong. If you can feasibly argue it both ways it’s not an obvious error, therefore shouldn’t be corrected. I feel like I’ve posted this in about 20 threads but this is never how VAR was supposed to be used. It should have been used only to correct absolute howlers that people remember years later, not to review every tangle of legs or ball-to-hand moments. It’s ruined it. I feel like you might not get it. VAR sucks. It won’t work bc it will always be human decisions. Just transplanted. It will not work. It stinks in NFL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Looks at the ball as he swats it away with his hand. Penalty all day, twice on Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 If ref is unsure he should hand it all over to the VAR and let them make the call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Not a free kick either...wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: If ref is unsure he should hand it all over to the VAR and let them make the call. It goes the other way around. If they're unsure in VAR room, main ref goes to check it. He only checks it if they're unsure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: It’s not about whether it was “obviously” not a penalty, it’s whether the original decision in real time (no pen) was “obviously” wrong. If you can feasibly argue it both ways it’s not an obvious error, therefore shouldn’t be corrected. I feel like I’ve posted this in about 20 threads but this is never how VAR was supposed to be used. It should have been used only to correct absolute howlers that people remember years later, not to review every tangle of legs or ball-to-hand moments. It’s ruined it. He didn't really say it wasn't a penalty in real time though did he, it just looked like he didn't see it and then the VAR refs got into his ear about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Amazing that France are going to win World Cup, despite being poor for pretty much 80% of the tournament and again in the final Just shows don't need to play good, just get the job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 It's the second movement when his hand is on its way down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 France.. 1 shot on goal.. 2 goals.. dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firehouse Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Not a pen, not a FK and also offside from that FK. Hate that ref ever since Denmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: You can spin it however you like but Giroud is playing upfront for a team in the WC Final. Not like anybody's been heaping praise on Giroud though. If you're suggesting he should be criticised (which his finishing should be because he's missed chances) then how do you explain the insistence some people have in their rabid defence of Raheem Sterling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 This game is a perfect argument for everyone in the world that dislikes football. An amazingly stacked team doing nothing against a supposedly weaker opposition that's dominating them. Then they score two goals from dubious refereeing decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, pearcey_90 said: Amazing that France are going to win World Cup, despite being poor for pretty much 80% of the tournament and again in the final Just shows don't need to play good, just get the job done. Westy must be seething. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: It’s not about whether it was “obviously” not a penalty, it’s whether the original decision in real time (no pen) was “obviously” wrong. If you can feasibly argue it both ways it’s not an obvious error, therefore shouldn’t be corrected. I feel like I’ve posted this in about 20 threads but this is never how VAR was supposed to be used. It should have been used only to correct absolute howlers that people remember years later, not to review every tangle of legs or ball-to-hand moments. It’s ruined it. 6 minutes ago, Icelander83 said: It should help make major decisions correctly. That was a major decision. The ref looked at it and decided he got it wrong the first time. VAR working as intended No way. No way. It was never there to "help them make decisions", they make decisions in real time and VAR was supposed to be used sparingly only to correct obvious mistakes. To save refs the embarrassment if they missed something horrific like Maradona's handball or that offside Argentina goal against Mexico which people are still talking about 10+ years later. It should have been used a handful of times across the whole tournament if that, just a failsafe if the referee makes a total **** up. They're not supposed to freeze in the moment, not give a decision. and then trot over to the video because they can't make their minds up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Matuidi's arm almost mirrors Perisic's. That's what happens when you're coming back down. Pathetic decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: This game is a perfect argument for everyone in the world that dislikes football. An amazingly stacked team doing nothing against a supposedly weaker opposition that's dominating them. Then they score two goals from dubious refereeing decisions. Pretty much my thoughts. At times, football can really be a disgusting game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: You can spin it however you like but Giroud is playing upfront for a team in the WC Final. I'm not spinning anything, this is clear to anyone who watched this France team with him in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 This is playing into France's hands. They've done this all world cup. Slow to start, and get stronger as the game goes on. If I was Croatian, I'd be worried they're not in front. France has this all day long. So impressive how they're just simply smarter than any team they play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 For me Perisic's arm just comes down naturally. There is no way watching at real time that he has reaction time to actually be deliberately moving it to the ball. Never a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 can see why it was given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Have £100 on France but hope they lose. Complete joke of a team given their talent, it's a disgrace to play like this with the players they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, kpain16 said: Pretty much my thoughts. At times, football can really be a disgusting game. Instead of having to listen to our FA having an excuse of winning the WC for the next 20 years, we will listen about being robbed in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Not a penalty for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Imagine Roy Keane as your father In law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Citizen Kane said: Imagine Roy Keane as your father In law Imagine Roy Keane as your manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Bliss Seeker said: This is playing into France's hands. They've done this all world cup. Slow to start, and get stronger as the game goes on. If I was Croatian, I'd be worried they're not in front. France has this all day long. So impressive how they're just simply smarter than any team they play. Against Belgium, they were impressive. But today they're looking shaky in defense and both goals are a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Bliss Seeker said: This is playing into France's hands. They've done this all world cup. Slow to start, and get stronger as the game goes on. If I was Croatian, I'd be worried they're not in front. France has this all day long. So impressive how they're just simply smarter than any team they play. First goal our defense is too deep and we concede an own goal. Second a dubious hand ball. Really smart French play... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Rob1981 said: No way. No way. It was never there to "help them make decisions", they make decisions in real time as the game goes on and VAR use was supposed to be minimal. It was there only to correct obvious mistakes. To save them embarrassment if they missed something horrific like Maradona's handball or that offside Argentina goal against Mexico which people are still talking about 10+ years later. It should have been used a handful of times across the whole tournament if that, just a failsafe if the referee makes a total **** up. They're not supposed to freeze in the moment, not give a decision. and then trot over to the video because they can't make their minds up. So if the referee, like here, hasn't even seen what he should be making a decision about, France are just supposed to be ****ed? Whatever the intent you think VAR should be applied with, the intent it actually should be applied with is to help referees approach 100% correct decisions. This "oh no, only MASSIVE blunders, not minor ones" crap is just that, actual crap. We should be striving towards getting the fairest refereed games possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Have ITV had Bilic on yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 so these high boots that were given, would Croatias goal in the semis stood with this ref? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 This thread alone demonstrates why VAR will not Ever Ever end controversy. And might make it worse. Just imagine if that handball was on Stones. Wow. 10 more pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, scott MUFC said: so these high boots that were given, would Croatias goal in the semis stood with this ref? Is there anyone else in this forum except for you complaining about that goal? Walker took a dive, and Perišić got to the ball first in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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