Fosse Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Can't believe anybody is seriously suggesting Hoddle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Van Gaal, has he jacked everything in now? no thanks, Spain played like Man Utd last season (too much slow passing and relying on DDG) and lost to an average team, and England have Flappy joe, not DDG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I think when Forster plays for a more fashionable club, he'll be taken more seriously as a contender for the #1 jersey and we can do similar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 There's a reason why Forster is still at Southampton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 he is better then Mignolet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Whoever the manager ends up being, nothing will change if we don't change the way things are done. Namely, with talented, young players. We always rush them into the senior squad when I think they need to spend more time learning with the U21s. Sterling, Alli, Rashford, etc. are good players and potentially could be even better, but they should be earning their stripes and getting tournament experience with the U21s before being promoted to the senior squad. It works for the likes of Germany and Spain, and I really think we need to adopt this kind of approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There's a reason why Forster is still at Southampton The bigger teams (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich) already have first team choice goalkeepers and he won't want to be backup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 he is better then Mignolet I.... what are you talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Southgate red hot favourite now. And we all know the fa loves a yes man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Southgate I'd say out of the frying pan and into the fire, but that'd be a bit too action-oriented for that choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Southgate would be an insult Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Whoever the manager ends up being, nothing will change if we don't change the way things are done. Namely, with talented, young players. We always rush them into the senior squad when I think they need to spend more time learning with the U21s. Sterling, Alli, Rashford, etc. are good players and potentially could be even better, but they should be earning their stripes and getting tournament experience with the U21s before being promoted to the senior squad. It works for the likes of Germany and Spain, and I really think we need to adopt this kind of approach. I couldn't disagree more... U21 football is almost pointless because it currently features: a) overage players who are more than ready to play with the senior team (and who likely already have considerable first-team playing time for their club) b) mediocre players who stand little or no chance to ever make it for the actual NT but who are in the U21 setup because they're the less awful option for the team and same goes for most Top nations, while smaller nations have it even tougher, as the few hot prospects are promoted directly to the senior NT. The problem with England isn't they hotshot every decent talent into the NT, but that said players are, often, either vastly overrated or don't have enough maturity to handle the extra pressure of being portrayed as the Next Big Thing in English football. And anyway in the current squad, the biggest disappointment came from players who should have been ready to lead the team... Actually, the lack of leadership is what has held England back for all those years... alongside an disporportioned belief in a squad that often featured many good players who bought into their own hype and believed they'd win only by showing up. Whoever will take the job over, his top priority should be rebuilding the squad's confidence without turning it into cockiness. Basically what Conte did with Italy. There does need to be either an acceptance that England aren't as good as they once were and to try to get the players playing without fear as a result, or someone coming in to get tough with them and make sure they're able to deal with the pressure that gets piled upon them. Ranieri would be fantastic for the former. There's the root of all your problems! England were NEVER as good as they thought they were... That's more or less a myth from back when England basically refused to compete with the rest of the world on the (false) pretense that having invented modern football, they were the best at it by default and by divine right. It can't be a coincidence England's only triumph came at home and under questionable circumstances, while the list of failures is a mile long... Then the success of the EPL has reinforced that weird sense of superiority, despite the league having become what it is thanks to foreign players and managers (and owners). England's whole football world MUST move on and accept that illustrious (and mostly fictitious) past is long gone and start from scratch, like other countries did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 If we are going English which I think despite the lack of candidates we should do really, it has to be Big Sam he'd be the most tactically astute and most respected and probably most no-nonsense. Still think we should give English coaches chances and this is about as big a job as they can get tbh. If we went foreign though I'd take Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There's the root of all your problems! England were NEVER as good as they thought they were... That's more or less a myth from back when England basically refused to compete with the rest of the world on the (false) pretense that having invented modern football, they were the best at it by default and by divine right. It can't be a coincidence England's only triumph came at home and under questionable circumstances, while the list of failures is a mile long... Then the success of the EPL has reinforced that weird sense of superiority, despite the league having become what it is thanks to foreign players and managers (and owners). England's whole football world MUST move on and accept that illustrious (and mostly fictitious) past is long gone and start from scratch, like other countries did. it's not so much the 'success' of the Premier League but the inflation of it's own bubble from within Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I'd rather have really exciting PL seasons than decent tournaments for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I couldn't disagree more...U21 football is almost pointless because it currently features: a) overage players who are more than ready to play with the senior team (and who likely already have considerable first-team playing time for their club) b) mediocre players who stand little or no chance to ever make it for the actual NT but who are in the U21 setup because they're the less awful option for the team and same goes for most Top nations, while smaller nations have it even tougher, as the few hot prospects are promoted directly to the senior NT. The problem with England isn't they hotshot every decent talent into the NT, but that said players are, often, either vastly overrated or don't have enough maturity to handle the extra pressure of being portrayed as the Next Big Thing in English football. And anyway in the current squad, the biggest disappointment came from players who should have been ready to lead the team... Actually, the lack of leadership is what has held England back for all those years... alongside an disporportioned belief in a squad that often featured many good players who bought into their own hype and believed they'd win only by showing up. Whoever will take the job over, his top priority should be rebuilding the squad's confidence without turning it into cockiness. Basically what Conte did with Italy. Perhaps some of these players are over-hyped because they are rushed into the senior team? Maybe if they had to earn it by playing more U21s then it would take the pressure off and the media wouldn't hype them so much. Leadership is a massive problem, as is team spirit. We need a manager to mould a team of players, rather than a "group" as Hodgson often refers to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Id give it to Shearer. No experience but so what, what has experience got us so far? He is passionate and will have the respect of the players. Passion is something we need in the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 So would Gary Neville and his career has gone great so far. Remember making a joke about people really wanting Neville after WC14 saying lets get Danny Murphy in whilst we're at it as he sounded good on MOTD and has as much experience, and people were having a go at me. Now they actually want Shearer for being angry on a highlights show . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Shearer is quite dumb, definitely not an intelligent thinker. Can imagine him being woeful tactically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danchinaski Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Id give it to Shearer. No experience but so what, what has experience got us so far? He is passionate and will have the respect of the players. Passion is something we need in the team Passion is essentially nonsense. To advocate the hiring of a football manager on "passion" alone is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Least he would pick players inform, in their correct positions and not just pick players based on reputation. Something the last 3 or 4 England managers havent done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Id give it to Shearer. No experience but so what, what has experience got us so far? He is passionate and will have the respect of the players. Passion is something we need in the team Passion on the TV is one thing, but using that to improve a National team is another. Passion can be wreckless. Pearce was/is passionate, but id not have him anywhere near the England team. England always want to be the next thing... it was Holland, then Spain... maybe its Germany, or Iceland/Leicester. We cling on to something that we have seen works and go steaming in, believing that it will work for us... but by the time we get anywhere near it, the next fad in football is there. Who cares what other nations do, we have what we have and all we need is a manager/coach that understands that and is confident that he can bring the best out of them. We just need someone who can manage players, is confident in using his own system and getting players in to play that. Someone who picks players for his system, based on form and ability and not because they are 'one of the boys'... or flavor of the months because the Sun or Sky Sports are running the hype. Football should be simplified, we dont need to teach England players, they are all professionals, they are comfortable with a ball, there should be no doubting their ability to do things with the ball. They just need a manager to come in, put his formation/tactics in place and thats it. Have a plan B,C, and D ready for situations, but from the get-go, do our thing and sod everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Passion is essentially nonsense. To advocate the hiring of a football manager on "passion" alone is ridiculous. Thats not the only reason. Just helps he had it unlike most we seem to pick. He cannot do any worse than others we have had. Give him a go try something different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 That's why I would like Slaven Bilić, you get passion and brains there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Other than Shearer who said he would take it, how many other managers actually would want it? Ok giving all these names but havent England had this problem in the past that no ****er will touch the job with a barge pole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 If shearer is goof tactically then fine but how do we know? no from me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 If shearer is goof tactically then fine but how do we know? no from me The fact Newcastle actually looked tactically bereft when he managed them? They actually managed to look worse after he took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Yea its a gamble. He could be the next Neville or be more successful like Bilic. But the way the FA pick new managers doesnt work. We need a fresh approach. Yes it could go tits up but is that any worse than what we do now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Surely you can tell from Shearer's 'insight' on MOTD that he'd be lacking as a manager? I voted for Howe but tbh would be leaning towards Allardyce right now. He does the simple things well, he'd know which system would suit us best and would stick with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The fact Newcastle actually looked tactically bereft when he managed them? They actually managed to look worse after he took over. We looked better with him, not saying much mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 We looked better with him, not saying much mind. Not from what I remember, 4 goals, 5 points in 8 games suggests it was no where near as good as Keegan and even Kinnear's spell was better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Give the job to Gazza, if nothing else it would be entertaining and let's be honest, he couldn't do much worse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Southgate, good grief Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Southgate would be a typical FA appointment, at least he already has his deer in the headlights look down pat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 One name I haven't seen talked about much is Steve Bruce, looking at the other names I think he should certainly be in the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Must wish Alex Ferguson is English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Must wish Alex Ferguson is English Not really considering he's been retired for 3 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted June 28, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not a single English candidate I'd have any faith in being able to do a good job. Too early for Howe and a lot of the others are blowhards. Based just on his commentary last night picking holes in it all, I'd say Hoddle would be a better choice than sadly Roy turned out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There does need to be either an acceptance that England aren't as good as they once were and to try to get the players playing without fear as a result, or someone coming in to get tough with them and make sure they're able to deal with the pressure that gets piled upon them. Ranieri would be fantastic for the former. Everyone has accepted we're not good enough to be favourites or mentioned in same breath ffs. Still doesn't excuse the **** bottling performance last night when it comes to a knock out game against what is a small nation. Ranieri was horrific for Greece. Just because he won the league his stock is high, doesn't wipe away past failures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Rafa then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think Rafa would be an excellent choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There really isn't anyone out there. If it has to be English - Just give it to Pulis or Allardyce. It won't be pretty, but at least we'll have an identity and system we can put our finger on. Actually, I'm jumping on the Pulis bus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not a single English candidate I'd have any faith in being able to do a good job. Too early for Howe and a lot of the others are blowhards. Based just on his commentary last night picking holes in it all, I'd say Hoddle would be a better choice than sadly Roy turned out to be. yeah but it's easy to do that when you are watching from a gantry Hoddle would make the same mistakes as Roy did I reckon, having favourites and then consistently playing them when they aren't doing enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danchinaski Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 One name I haven't seen talked about much is Steve Bruce, looking at the other names I think he should certainly be in the discussion. I'm a Hull fan, and although l can see why people on the outside may deem SB worthy of consideration l have to say he's certainly not up to the England job, in the same way that Ian Holloway and Neil Warnock aren't. I really hate the use of the word "passion" in discussions regarding the England team. The word means different things to different people. To many Paolo di Canio is passionate. Joe Hart is passionate. In my experience "passion" is often confused with histrionic bluster, and this is rarely a trait found in successful football managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hands off Rafa please. He's my one last hope in my love for football John Carver is passionate have him instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammayel666 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There really isn't anyone out there. If it has to be English - Just give it to Pulis or Allardyce. It won't be pretty, but at least we'll have an identity and system we can put our finger on. Actually, I'm jumping on the Pulis bus! Pulis is Welsh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Arry has suggested Tim for the job: Redknapp also suggested former Tottenham and Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood as a possible option. "He's got passion, enthusiasm, I'll come and work with him all day," said the 69-year-old. "He's young, enthusiastic, knows the game." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Pulis is Welsh... Oh is he? Ahh ****, big Sam it is! Actually, how would people feel about Martin O'Neil? Without Roy Keane of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Big Sam would be my pick and has been for about the last 3 or 4 managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 When it was suggested that Southgate knew the way the Football Association worked as well as the English "system", Redknapp responded: "Knows what system? The losing system? Harsh, but true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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