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Everything posted by Cougar2010

  1. IRL these players are already attached to a club at that age. The youth intake in game represents players already at your club being promoted into the U18/U19 squad.
  2. You still aren't getting that they would be part of the same game - FM so would still be judged like that and you would have no end of users complaining on the forum that a female player had too high CA, strength, pace, height etc etc etc. So at least now you are accepting that it would need a modified ME which in itself makes it very unlikely to happen.
  3. While it might seem that way its really not that simple. On one hand women play football different to men despite it being the same game while on the other it would look wrong to have a women's team rated as highly as a men's. You also have technical issues with some attributes linking to height/weight etc. So basically could you simply change the names and the sex? Yes Would it look right? No.
  4. No doubt other systems could be made as has been discussed in other threads. If you were starting from scratch some of them are very viable and worth considering however to replace the PA system we currently have it would have to be something better and not just doing the same job to make it worthwhile from both a financial & time POV.
  5. I have no idea what you mean by that. What do you mean by engine? Whatever you mean I don't see how you come to the conclusion that that something isn't balanced. PA works as it is, it has worked as it is for well over 20 years and performs the task required of it. If you want to remove it the tasks that it does need to be done by something else or in a different way.
  6. I don't really feel like getting into a long winded discussion yet again so basically because without a cap there would be far too many Messi's & Ronaldo's in saves and it would be far too easy for human users to cheat and gain a team full of them. PA is a soft cap of sorts. It controls the rate of CA growth of each player. The further away from their PA a player is the more their CA will grow and likewise the closer they are the less their CA will grow. Therefore PA acts as both a soft & a hard cap within the game.
  7. There are other theories inc one from many years ago suggesting that 10,000 hours of practice would make you good at a professional sport. If that was the case though why aren't the top football clubs churning out loads of top footballers every year? Then you can point to our DNA and how that affects our physical & mental characteristics. We know everybody is either left brain or right brain dominent, same for hands & feet as basic examples. No matter how many hours I put in my right foot will never be as good as my left & my left hand will never be as good as my right. Practice can only go so far and can never trump natural ability IMO. Aside from that discussion though the game needs an isolated cap to function in a workable manner as has been mentioned in the many threads on the subject.
  8. Thats just not true I'm afraid. Scouts don't see PA, they give you PPA (Perceived PA) based on the player's CA + age + other factors. I can show you literally thousands of examples where a player has come into the club with 4/5* PA and ended up maxing out at 2/3* by the time he is 21yo. I can also show you players who have come into the club with say 2* PA and gone on to be far better than that. Potential is fixed when you are born, whether you fulfill that potential is dependent on all those other factors. Like hundreds of other threads on the subject over the last 20 years you are talking about CA development, not PA.
  9. We have a new database every year because human researchers can't accurately predict the future and as no-one has found a way to accurately predict the future its something we have to live with. Having a variable PA wouldn't fix that problem either because you still have no way to accurately predict the future. In terms of newgens its a none issue because the game is god in that respect.
  10. I don't see anyone asking the important question - Why are you getting sacked? Results? League position? players unhappy? poor transfer choices? something else?
  11. @Com_BEPFA First off, good post A couple of points I want to pick up on: First is that PA isn't just a cap, it actually affects the rate of CA growth, something that gets forgotten about. So in your example player A would find it easier & quicker to go from 80CA to 100CA than player B if everything else was equal. Removing PA doesn't just remove the cap it actually removes the only variable factor in CA growth. The second point is the above - Why should we care? We should all care because people who choose to abuse & exploit the system give a false impression to others users (especially in the social media age). Its not always intentional but it still happens and this leads to frustration, misunderstanding, complaints etc. You can also apply that to other situations - Why should we care that an athlete uses drugs to improve his performance? If the answer is we should care then the same applies in FM and it shouldn't be made easier for users to exploit the system.
  12. Ok I'm in December 2033, all leagues were loaded and running from the start. Verlinden (34yo) 26 U21 caps, no senior caps. Several loan spells at lower league clubs then rotation player with Middlesbrough (Championship) & Sunderland (Prem). Two years as a 1st teamer at Rotherham (Championship), four years as a rotation player in the Eredivisie (Heerenveen then PSV) before settling at Celtic where he has been first team/rotation for the last four years. Ngoy (36yo) Loan spells in Scottish Prem & English Championship before being released. Picked up by Charleroi (Belgium Pro League) where he spent 11 years before retiring. Souttar (35yo) Usual loan spells before being sold to Bury (League One) for £65k. Spent the rest of his career in League One, League Two & Vanarama with Bury/Cheltenham/Swindon. Shenton Has left my save but I can see a £675k move to Middlesbrough in 2017, £160k move to Sheff Utd (Championship) in 2019 & a £130k move to Oxford (Championship) in 2025. Therefore Championship prior to 2026 when Oxford were relegated to League One, he stayed until he retired in 2032.
  13. @santy001 I'm still on FM17, have their PAs changed much from 17 to 18? I can show their careers if not.
  14. I'm all for more variety from save to save and you don't have to remove PA or introduce a new attribute to have it. As I stated earlier in the thread the easiest way to do this would simply to make the PA of all players random each time a save is created. SI could even take a step in that direction by giving us a tick box when setting up a save so people had an option of researcher set PA or random PA.
  15. Think I remember someone saying if you hover over the promise the popup tells you the role/position.
  16. Ok. Yes we agree that PA is a fixed limit that can't be overcome and is always the same for a player in every save game (Except for those players who are given a -PA where the game allocates them a fixed PA from a range when setting up a save). Main Proposal - Eliminate PA Without PA currently players would grow exponentially and cause there to be too many Messi's & Ronaldo's in a save. So within the current system it wouldn't be a good idea until CA growth is better controlled which has been discussed. Once CA growth is controlled and players didn't reach their PA then you could consider removing it altogether. Worth adding here though that there are players that simply don't improve IRL for no obvious reason, this is what PA represents currently. You would also remove the variable aspect of player growth by removing PA. Secondary Proposal - Natural Talent The game already has several fixed variables that affect the CA of a player (Professionalism, Ambition, Facilities, Staff etc). Adding another one into the calculation makes very little difference. Its another number which would be used, yes you could make a case for it adding to the realism but the overall end result is that it doesn't address the issues caused by removing PA.
  17. You weren't bullied in the slightest. People asked questions, asked for clarification about some points of the proposal and pointed out the flaws. Instead of addressing those points you chose to play the victim & claim people didn't understand. Plenty of people have made an effort to understand the proposal and for the most part seem to understand it well. If our understanding is wrong its because Raptor & yourself have failed to give the clarification when asked. Also nothing that Raptor has posted since implies that we have misunderstood as clearly shown by his post above from last night. The flaws of the proposal have been clearly pointed out on several occasions but for some reason you still fail to understand how Raptor's system is similar to the current system. I'm really not sure what more we can do at this point to help you understand
  18. What I'm finding immensely frustrating about this thread is the total lack of response from Raptor, legend or others when people have asked questions or raised a query about the proposal. I've asked several questions (Also repeated some) & asked for some points to be clarified as have others and none of these have been addressed or even acknowledged.
  19. @Raptor Longe Why would a researcher who gave Vardy 110PA give him 15 natural talent under your system?
  20. But there are thousands of examples of this IRL. There are players at every level who for no obvious reason are very similar to how they were 3/5/7 years ago. You just have to look at the players who get released from the big clubs to see examples. Fletcher & Cleverley have been mentioned but there are so many others every season. If the big clubs can't produce a number of Messi's every year despite the staff, facilities and good attitudes of the players then clearly something else is in play which is what PA represents.
  21. Interesting, I can't say I look much at league stats but now you mention it I think there was a few threads on the subject. My experience from playing is that a DC will score around 6.6-6.9 if the team concede and 6.9-7.2 if they keep a clean sheet on average. Without gaining a goal or assist its rare to see a defender score 7.5+ but much easier for attacking players. I'll have a look at my save later.
  22. As Hunt3r has said above these are all areas that are to do with CA progression, not PA. I want to cover a couple of points with them though: A) If a player works hard in one area he can improve it. Yes in theory but the closer he gets to his limit the more work he has to put in to get a smaller % improvement eg its harder to go from 95% to 96% of your talent in an area than it is to go from say 10% to 50%. On top of that if he doesn't put the work in on an area it will naturally decline/degrade. So a player could work really hard and spend a lot of time improving his free kicks but because he does that for a marginal improvement his defending, corner taking, passing etc all degrade because he isn't putting the work in to keep them at the same level. The PA system allows all of this to happen currently, the further away from his PA a player is the faster he improves and if you make his training unbalanced he will improve in the trained areas while degrading in the untrained areas. B) The second point I want to mention although I think Santy already did earlier was that FM is representing professional footballers. The difference between 1 & 20 in an attribute isn't the difference between your granny & Messi, its the difference between a well trained player/athlete who borders on being professional and Messi. The average man in the street is going to score less than 1 in a lot of attributes.
  23. By fixed control I mean a variable that creates fixed predictable growth so the graph would look like this: Rather than variable growth which could look like any of the following:
  24. But as discussed earlier in the thread thats all about CA progression and not PA. If CA progression was sorted so that it worked in the way we want it to PA would become irrelevant and could be done away with. The issue is no-one has come up with a workable idea that does that effectively. Having fixed control over that progression also doesn't work because that leads to linear growth rather than the variable growth we already have under the PA system.
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