KiLLu12258 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) vor 4 Minuten schrieb Arvid04: Guys, when will you realize that FM is first a MANAGER simulator with a small part of a 3D game! the "match day" should be the main important thing of the game. And for me this is the match engine but also the whole presentation like how the players move and the graphic too. Edited October 26, 2020 by KiLLu12258 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLLu12258 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 vor 12 Minuten schrieb tem: all big/headline features has been written in the first message of this topic. i know. but i still had some hope that this isnt it and we get suprised with something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Out of all the users on this forum. I'm the only one that cares about A.I it seems. No new mention of any improvements from A.I No one talks about issues they have with A.I there is no reward or satisfaction in winning in this game at all Edited October 26, 2020 by kingking 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Well when I checked a prices for new PC I convinced one more time that SI could rethink vision of FM versions for nextgen consoles New Xbox and PS5 are supporting mouse and keyboard so it will be great to play in full FM version by them @Neil Brock upd - I realize that its impossible for FM21 but I'm talking about next editions Edited October 26, 2020 by Novem9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorianAlbert9 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 45 minuti fa, kingking ha scritto: Out of all the users on this forum. I'm the only one that cares about A.I it seems. No new mention of any improvements from A.I No one talks about issues they have with A.I there is no reward or satisfaction in winning in this game at all There are a lot of talk by users about A.I. There is a thread in the first page of this section. and in this topic we discuss how have such low system req could stop SI ti improve AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiger666 said: I've yet to see anything that interests me for FM21. I ignore all this stuff. All press conferences, tunnel interviews go to my assistant. I scout all my players manually. I'm hoping the Match Engine is a big improvement. agreed. Sorry to say but QoL improvements and some social media tweets update can be done free via a Patch. Charging us a full price for a largely QoL improvement? Ridiculous. But i'm just gonna wait for the ME & AI features update before judging. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) I'm looking forward to whether they fixed ai ball keeping at the back also whether posession calculation matches how they get calculated like real life rather than current chess clock version. Edited October 26, 2020 by ferrarinseb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legnerschorsch Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Stumbled upon this one: I guess this is a real niche product. Still, overall graphics are at least on the same level and regarding the stadiums, IMO they are better. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 In my days all we had was commentary and our imagination. Kids these days are fat and spoiled. Now where's that old man emoji? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo12 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Arvid04 said: Guys, when will you realize that FM is first a MANAGER simulator with a small part of a 3D game! The crying on here is unbelievable. Its like fm is the worst game ever. Especially the ones that are posting other games as example. Go play those then ffs. But if you look at it another way its pretty normal there's only complaints here. The people that enjoy the game are too busy playing it Edited October 26, 2020 by Buffalo12 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiLLu12258 Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) vor 5 Minuten schrieb Buffalo12: The crying on here is unbelievable. Its like fm is the worst game ever. Especially the ones that are posting other games as example. Go play those then ffs. But if you look at it another way its pretty normal there's only complaints here. The people that enjoy the game are too busy playing it what a joke. everyone here wants the best for the game. Everyone takes time to write suggestions for a better fm. Edited October 26, 2020 by KiLLu12258 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post forameuss Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, KiLLu12258 said: what a joke. everyone here wants the best for the game. Everyone takes time to write suggestions for a better fm. No, "everyone" doesn't do that. The few that do - and I mean the really good, really well thought-out suggestions - often get drowned out by the noise, including the ones that just think they're offering really good, really well thought-out suggestions. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 No new stuff revealed on Twitter? I don't like twitter at all and not really liking to check that platform to find info about the game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLLu12258 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) vor 9 Minuten schrieb forameuss: No, "everyone" doesn't do that. The few that do - and I mean the really good, really well thought-out suggestions - often get drowned out by the noise, including the ones that just think they're offering really good, really well thought-out suggestions. every critic is a lot more then those people just playing fm do. Community is very important. Edited October 26, 2020 by KiLLu12258 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, forameuss said: No, "everyone" doesn't do that. The few that do - and I mean the really good, really well thought-out suggestions - often get drowned out by the noise, including the ones that just think they're offering really good, really well thought-out suggestions. Well it's pretty much the same thing in all aspects of life 😏 For all the complaining about the me, AI etc; I believe nothing substantial will happen until the minimum system requirements are substantially higher. I still love the game anyway, its the only one where I play 500+ hours every year since 1998. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The feedback thread's gonna be fun this year 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said: The feedback thread's gonna be fun this year One thread I will avoid until I hit 1000 hours of the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saihtam Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Edited October 26, 2020 by saihtam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zemahh Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 59 minutes ago, Viking said: In my days all we had was commentary and our imagination. Unironically, text commentary can still be more immersive than 3D animations which you can't take at face value anyway. Good luck distinguishing between a bad shot or a good save, a goalkeeper error or a good finish, a missed interception or a great pass... Seeing my 17 Agility centre-back have a turning circle of an eighteen-wheeler, or a goalkeeper booting the ball straight into opposition striker's face, only for it to not even be counted as a mistake made me lose all trust in 3D animations. These days I only use 2D and gladly fill the blanks in myself, rather than lose immersion completely watching my players ice skate on grass. I've said it before, although I understand SI are rightfully proud going from a text-only game to full-on 3D animations, the current state of graphics is doing the whole game a huge disservice. Majority of people don't know the animations are just a tiny visual layer on top of all the calculations the match engine does in the background, so they equate bad animations with bad match engine. Not only do they think the game looks nothing like real football, they also think the match engine is way off (which it isn't, since stats can be quite realistic). But now the 3D engine is here and SI should have the responsibility to make it look good enough for modern standards. "Graphics don't matter in FM" is no longer a valid excuse, when they themselves are pushing the 3D engine at every opportunity (to the point I'm afraid 2D will one day be gone for good out of nowhere). Making FM more visually appealing would not only make the match engine easier to read, but also open it to a whole new market of customers. Your average Joe will not touch this game with a ten foot pole regardless of how realistic it claims to be, when there's indie mobile games that look better. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, rosque said: One thread I will avoid until I hit 1000 hours of the game I'm going to avoid it it until I've done 10-20 games, write down any ME bugs/ abnormalities & only then see what others think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexis Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, saihtam said: Mind numbing to see these are the features they are focusing on. Mind numbing..... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, legnerschorsch said: Stumbled upon this one: I guess this is a real niche product. Still, overall graphics are at least on the same level and regarding the stadiums, IMO they are better. Haven’t played the new version yet but the game have been suffering from match engine problems even moreso than FM. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lexis said: Mind numbing to see these are the features they are focusing on. Mind numbing..... Mind numbing that people do not see that Miles, on his personal accounts, and as already stated by himself is only doing QoL features is announcing exactly that - QoL changes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ajt said: Well it's pretty much the same thing in all aspects of life 😏 For all the complaining about the me, AI etc; I believe nothing substantial will happen until the minimum system requirements are substantially higher. I still love the game anyway, its the only one where I play 500+ hours every year since 1998. I'm not sure suddenly getting more processing power is automatically going to fix the really-hard-to-shift ME errors. Sure it might make it look better to be able to better display things, but you can put lipstick on a pig, it'll still be a pig. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexis Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, rosque said: Mind numbing that people do not see that Miles, on his personal accounts, and as already stated by himself is only doing QoL features is announcing exactly that - QoL changes. They advertised that in their main feature list under the matchday experience thing How is Twitter reactions in game quality of life ? :)))) It doesn't get more fluff and useless content than that :)) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielsadidnothingwrong Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I must say I don't care for Miles to suggest FMT as a 1:1 replacement for the game only without player interactions... FMT also doesn't give you the option to build a backroom staff, set training schedules, or set up a scouting network. Plus they intentionally make the game feel cheap by including the microtransactions (I will never shut up about it!) at every turn. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Lexis said: It doesn't get more fluff and useless content than that :)) For you maybe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saihtam Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, bielsadidnothingwrong said: I must say I don't care for Miles to suggest FMT as a 1:1 replacement for the game only without player interactions... FMT also doesn't give you the option to build a backroom staff, set training schedules, or set up a scouting network. Plus they intentionally make the game feel cheap by including the microtransactions (I will never shut up about it!) at every turn. And that is what the lad is exactly asking in that tweet. He just directs him to FMT... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielsadidnothingwrong Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, saihtam said: And that is what the lad is exactly asking in that tweet. He just directs him to FMT... I'm sorry, are we reading the same thing? He said he wanted more REALISTIC training sessions and critiqued the tactics creator. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, bielsadidnothingwrong said: I must say I don't care for Miles to suggest FMT as a 1:1 replacement for the game only without player interactions... FMT also doesn't give you the option to build a backroom staff, set training schedules, or set up a scouting network. Plus they intentionally make the game feel cheap by including the microtransactions (I will never shut up about it!) at every turn. That’s why there is a suggestion forum. idk why gamers are so passive aggressive these days. *Not talking about you* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielsadidnothingwrong Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Mars_Blackmon said: dk why gamers are so passive aggressive these days. *Not talking about you* yeah, sure you're not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, forameuss said: but you can put lipstick on a pig, it'll still be a pig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, bielsadidnothingwrong said: yeah, sure you're not! Lol I’m talking in general. People will talk about everything that is wrong with the game but never post anything in the suggestion or bug forums. It happens on many different forums I visit on various games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lexis Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Mars_Blackmon said: Lol I’m talking in general. People will talk about everything that is wrong with the game but never post anything in the suggestion or bug forums. It happens on many different forums I visit on various games. Are you joking? The suggestion and bug forums are filled. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Zemahh said: Unironically, text commentary can still be more immersive than 3D animations which you can't take at face value anyway. Good luck distinguishing between a bad shot or a good save, a goalkeeper error or a good finish, a missed interception or a great pass... Seeing my 17 Agility centre-back have a turning circle of an eighteen-wheeler, or a goalkeeper booting the ball straight into opposition striker's face, only for it to not even be counted as a mistake made me lose all trust in 3D animations. These days I only use 2D and gladly fill the blanks in myself, rather than lose immersion completely watching my players ice skate on grass. I've said it before, although I understand SI are rightfully proud going from a text-only game to full-on 3D animations, the current state of graphics is doing the whole game a huge disservice. Majority of people don't know the animations are just a tiny visual layer on top of all the calculations the match engine does in the background, so they equate bad animations with bad match engine. Not only do they think the game looks nothing like real football, they also think the match engine is way off (which it isn't, since stats can be quite realistic). But now the 3D engine is here and SI should have the responsibility to make it look good enough for modern standards. "Graphics don't matter in FM" is no longer a valid excuse, when they themselves are pushing the 3D engine at every opportunity (to the point I'm afraid 2D will one day be gone for good out of nowhere). Making FM more visually appealing would not only make the match engine easier to read, but also open it to a whole new market of customers. Your average Joe will not touch this game with a ten foot pole regardless of how realistic it claims to be, when there's indie mobile games that look better. Text commentary is actually one of the weirder sides of the game. I know there are a few lines that are like league-specific? Even though my game's in English, when I would score a good goal or a match winner in Liga MX sometimes it would mimic the Mexican commentary style and go all crazy with like GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOOOOOOOAL! But overall, I think everyone knows the 3d animations need a little bit of help, and I would like to see the commentary do more to "gussy up" the action: tell me what a good save is, what a good pass is etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Lexis said: Are you joking? The suggestion and bug forums are filled. Yea with people who take action. I didn't say no-one post there. Example, there isn't any topic specific about a stadium creator. There was a conversation about the ability to create a stadium inside the game as a manager which have been shot down but there's nothing about a stand alone stadium creator that would work like the pre game editor... And that's been a feature that a lot of people in this very thread were disappointed about... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autohoratio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mars_Blackmon said: Example, there isn't any topic specific about a stadium creator. There was a conversation about the ability to create a stadium inside the game as a manager which have been shot down but there's nothing about a stand alone stadium creator that would work like the pre game editor... There have been several threads suggesting that idea. Are you looking in only one subforum (reviewed suggestions get moved to a separate subforum)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
destmez Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Viking said: In my days all we had was commentary and our imagination. Kids these days are fat and spoiled. Now where's that old man emoji? 👴 2 hours ago, saihtam said: 😮😥😰 Unlucky dude , Joga Simples talk about adding features Miles talk about playing with less features 🤷🏻♂️I think it says a lot more than you might think Edited October 26, 2020 by destmez 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, autohoratio said: There have been several threads suggesting that idea. Are you looking in only one subforum (reviewed suggestions get moved to a separate subforum)? Everywhere and It’s been suggested indirectly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think a remarkable amount of people have completely missed Miles' point... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post destmez Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mars_Blackmon said: Everywhere and It’s been suggested indirectly. the work of the team working on the declining generation of stadiums since fm16 and one day they will rework on these stadiums and present it as a new features, just like the celebrations of the players when the team wins a competition, it is the same animations for years when they make one new they present it as a headline eatures but it is not a features it is an update Edited October 26, 2020 by destmez 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfDude Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Frankly I'm happy enough with some improvements to the ME and an updated database each year. Squad building is plenty good enough as it is imo. The rest of the guff like media interaction and twitter reactions should be removed from the game entirely as far as I'm concerned, it's repetitive rubbish that adds nothing to the fun factor. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 37 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I think a remarkable amount of people have completely missed Miles' point... Pin this... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, SmurfDude said: The rest of the guff like media interaction and twitter reactions should be removed from the game entirely as far as I'm concerned, it's repetitive rubbish that adds nothing to the fun factor. For you 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, saihtam said: If I had a twitter count, my reply would be. Can't play FMT, no Editor. 2 hours ago, Mars_Blackmon said: That’s why there is a suggestion forum. idk why gamers are so passive aggressive these days. *Not talking about you* Some gamers are quite aggressive, because they don't share your view of game improvements should be. The above features, are realistic, but pointless. Irony is on me is I avoid social media and have to interact with social media with Artificial Intelligence... on computer game... This IS truly the meaning of life. Some have requested several stuff for years that yet hasn't been delivered. Yes, I'm going to touch it. I ask for FMT Editor since FM Classic was introduced in FM13, released in 2012. That is 8 years... 8 years... requesting for a feature. For whatever, reasons, Miles think that adding social media, to the game is far more important then a FMT editor. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Probably 10 days till Beta release and still no word about the ME, no youtube or twitch stream or anything? Is this normal? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
destmez Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, grade said: If I had a twitter count, my reply would be. Can't play FMT, no Editor. Some gamers are quite aggressive, because they don't share your view of game improvements should be. The above features, are realistic, but pointless. Irony is on me is I avoid social media and have to interact with social media with Artificial Intelligence... on computer game... This IS truly the meaning of life. Some have requested several stuff for years that yet hasn't been delivered. Yes, I'm going to touch it. I ask for FMT Editor since FM Classic was introduced in FM13, released in 2012. That is 8 years... 8 years... requesting for a feature. For whatever, reasons, Miles think that adding social media, to the game is far more important then a FMT editor What is your pronostic for stadiums editor 😂 ?(in a time range ) 8 years 😲 Edited October 26, 2020 by destmez A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, destmez said: 8 years 😲 Yup. It has been that long... How time flies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
destmez Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, grade said: Yup. It has been that long... How time flies. This year there is a man who made a request about players physical conditions depending on altitude he had really made a very good suggestion, he had relied on real data the players who came to play at high altitude got tired more quickly and this had an impact on the result but unfortunately his idea had not yet been implemented Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Wavelberry said: Pin this... I'm just glad someone else has seen his point! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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