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  1. I love FM19, I posted this because I want to see if people agree or not
  2. (Thank you FM & SI Team for FM19, I love your work and the FM Series) FM19s formation are players defensive position. if you play a 4-3-3 you defend in a 4-3-3... The Issue and FM's Default defensive Formation A.I Pep Guardiola & Man City , A.I Arsenal & Unai Emery, A.I Bayern Munich & Niko Kovač default formation is 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 (therefore they defend and attack in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1) ... why thats not what they do in real life..... Real Life. Most teams that attack with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 also defend with 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, players change position when out of possession e.g. Pep Guardiola & Man City , Arsenal & Unai Emery, Chelsea & Maurizio Sarri, Bayern Munich & Niko Kovač, Liverpool & Klopp do this Reason & Benefits. Defending in a 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 is more compact, leaves less gaps and space, and makes attacking midfielders defend more back. Top Teams do this.. I love FM19... however FM is supposed to be a simulation, lets simulate how managers and teams actually play in modern football
  3. (Thank you S.I & FM Team for your work, I love FM19) I see one massive problem for Top A.I Managers and there A.I Teams (e.g. A Liverpool, FC Bayern Munich, Man City) that no one in the whole forum has mentioned or even thought about.... FM 19 A.I Managers using 4-2-3-1/4-3-3. For A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola when they attack in a 4-3-3 they can only defend in a 4-3-3 shape or when they attack in a 4-2-3-1 they only defend in a 4-2-3-1 , this leaves gaps, space, reduces compactness and makes their defending worse. real life 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. In real life when Man City and Pep Guardiola attack in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, they defend in a 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1 because it improves defending, reduces gaps and space, improves compactness and shape. A.I not intelligent Enough The A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola they are not intelligent enough to intentionally defend in 4-5-1 and attack with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Liverpool use a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but only defend in 4-3-3- or 4-2-3-1. The User. Its easy for us to intentionally attack with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but defend using a 4-5-1.. but not for A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola What can we do? How can we make A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola defend in a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 but attack in a 4-3-3 like they do in real life?
  4. @Mensell76 Mate i Love your passion to improve the current system of FM, your analysis and ability to give solutions to current issues without holding back because you are afraid people will assume you hate the game. Possible Solutions. Improve ME for Attacking Possession-Based Football Issue in ME. Attacking Possession-Based needs improving Improve A.I Managers Improve squad management, building and development. this can always be improved Improve the tactical styles that A.I uses. The A.I cannot utilize roles and instructions like humans, therefore provide them better tactical styles to use. Introduce 2 formations Tactical System Possession Based formations (4-2-3-1 & 4-3-3) are Flawed for A.I. In real life when top teams use a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 they defend using a 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1 or 4-4-2 for A.I that is not the case Reason. Weak Defense. Defensively 4-2-3-1 OR 4-3-3 is weak, it leaves gaps in defense. Realism. Teams change and switch defensive shape to a 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 when using a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 because of the defending benefits of having a 4 or 5 in midfield
  5. @Totalfootballfan I'm glad im not the only one.. that thinks we should have a separate defending and attacking formation A. Current System You can achieve an defending and attacking formation.. Only through roles and instructions. The default formation in FM is the defensive one. Limitations of Current System. Complexity & A.I. . A.I lack of intelligence to utilize roles and instructions to create an attacking formation, it turns a complex issue into a simple one e.g. The A.I cannot intentionally choose a 4-4-2 defensive and 4-2-3-1 attacking shape, there are benefits to this approach Not realistic Modern Tactic System/creating . it is not realistic and not how managers create tactics, e.g. managers in real life A. Pick an attacking formation B. pick a defensive formation C. then sort out roles & instructions Not Realistic modern football matches. Real Modern Football matches are not as rigid as FM19. teams can easily move and shift into there defensive shapes when defending e.g. teams should be able to switch between a 4-2-3-1 attacking shape into a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 defensive shape easily during a match. Not Structured or clearly define shape of attacking formation. the attacking shape defined through roles and instructions are limited, not strongly structured or defined when i look at the average position heat maps. E.g. its hard to have a solid 4-4-2 defensive shape and a 4-2-3-1 attacking shape in FM19 The Suggested New System The Process of creating a tactic should be selecting A. a in-possession formation, then B. out-of-possession formation then C. create instructions and roles C1. In-Possession Formation. 4-2-3-1 C2. Out-Of-Possession Formation. The user is only allowed to choose 1 out of 4 basic formations (basic formations that are easy/realistic for your current formation to change to during defensive play) Your Default attacking formation (4-3-3) or 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 (3 CM,ML,MR), or 4-1-4-1 (1 CDM, 2 CM,2 ML/MR) C3. Roles and instructions In-Possession instruction Transition Instructions Out-Of-Possession Instructions Player roles & Instructions Benefits/Reason of new system Benefits/Reasons of New System. Improves A.I It turns a complex process into a more efficient one that the A.I can benefit off e.g. the A.I can benefit of having a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 defensive shape and attack with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 Realistic Tactic System/creation its how managers create tactics e.g. managers A. Pick an attacking formation B. pick a defensive formation C. then sort out roles & instructions Realistic Football Matches. Real Modern Football matches are played this way e.g. teams should be able to switch between a 4-2-3-1 attacking shape into a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 defensive shape easily during a match Stronger defined structure and shape of attacking and defensive formation. Players will change position with intention and clear understanding, the defensive shape and the attacking shape will be stronger and more structured without it being loose. e.g. 4-2-3-1 attacking and 4-4-2 defending will be clear and structured
  6. True Fair enough mate I will let this discussion rest , hope everyone has a nice day and enjoy FM!
  7. You guys are right i completely understand you can achieve 2 different formations through roles and instructions, however.. achieving 2 different formations through roles and instructions has limitations The A.I Struggles because it is complex. A.I doesn't achieve the benefit of defending in a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 when playing a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 because they don't have the intelligence to choose the right roles and instructions. your shape isn't clearly defined and isn't strongly shaped, its hard to tell what shape the team is going for sometimes. Sometimes Managers in real life don't operate like that, instead they tell there team to have a clearly defined shape such as 4-4-2 when defending instead of operating through roles and instructions .
  8. I was giving feedback towards the FM19 ME and it concluded with a suggestion which a feedback can end with. i am surprised about the the reluctance or anger towards this suggestion when it reflects modern football and how managers create tactics Maybe we all have a different vision of how SI wants to improve the tactical system. i thought we all wanted to make the tactical system have depth, be realistic, whilst making it user friendly for the A.I and User (e.g. tactical styles, player roles)
  9. The current system can be improved, we can add more depth and realism in the tactical system by doing this. Suggestion Have 2 formations during the tactical creation. Your attacking formation when in-possession 4-3-3 Then allow the user to only choose 1 out of a 4 basic formations when creating the out-of-possession phase your default attacking formation (e.g. 4-2-3-1) 4-4-2, 4-5-1 (3 CM,ML,MR), 4-1-4-1 (1 CDM, 2 CM,2 ML/MR) Reason Modern Football. Managers in a team instruct there team to have a Clearly defined formation when out-of-possession that is well structured such as 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 Defending Benefits. Teams want to attack using a 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3, but maintain the amazing defending benefits of 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, because it is a solid shape that doesn't leave any gaps. FM Current ME Limitation You can change the shape of your in-possession formation by changing the roles and instructions of your default out-of-possession FM Formation but that isn't efficient because The A.I miss out of the defending benefits of having a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 when out of possession. The A.I and User miss out of the amazing defending benefit of having a strong 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 when out of possession which teams that play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 do Shape is not clearly defined and maintained. The Shape created through changing roles and instructions are not clearly structured or defined, you struggle to tell what formation you have when attacking. Lacks depth in the tactical system. Without the option of selecting a solid, structured formation makes the tactical system one dimensional, it lacks depth and doesn't represent modern football Benefit Modern Football. improves reflection of modern football improves tactical systems depth and realism whilst maintaining low exploitation, . Improves Depth and realism in the Tactic System Improves A.I. because they can now utilize the benefits of having a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 formation when defending.
  10. Yes you are right, i agree with you, i understand you can change the shape of your in-possession formation by changing the roles and instructions of your default out-of-possession FM Formation but i have a better solution Suggestion Have 2 formations during the tactical creation.  Your attacking formation when in-possession  4-3-3  Then allow the user to choose 1 out of a 4 basic formations when creating the out-of-possession phase  your default attacking formation (e.g. 4-2-3-1) 4-4-2, 4-5-1 (3 CM,ML,MR), 4-1-4-1 (1 CDM, 2 CM,2 ML/MR) Reason Modern Football. Some Managers in a team instruct there team to attack with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and defend with a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 Defending Benefits. Some Teams want to attack using a 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3, but maintain the amazing defending benefits of 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, because it is a solid shape that doesn't leave any gaps. FM Current ME Limitation You can change the shape of your in-possession formation by changing the roles and instructions of your default out-of-possession FM Formation but that isn't efficient because The A.I is not intelligent enough to attack with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and defend with a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. The AI are not creative when using roles and instructions Shape is not clearly defined and maintained. The Shape created through changing roles and instructions are not clearly structured or defined, you struggle to tell what formation you have when attacking. Lacks depth/scope in the tactical system. Without the option of selecting 2 solid structured formations when defending and attacking, the tactical system lacks depth/scope  Benefit Improves A.I . it will be easier for them to achieve benefits of attacking with 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 and defend with 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 Modern Football. improves reflection of modern football improves tactical systems depth /scope/realism . Improves Depth/Scope/Realism in the Tactic System
  11. Lmao Yeah the introduction of phases, counter-press and pressing is amazing, FM has come a long way and is always improving, i appreciate how much depth the game has, and well done to the SI team because they work hard. i agree yeah, an improvement in the game to reflect modern football is an attacking position when in-possession and a defending position when out-of-possession In-possession the user can choose a 4-2-3-1 position where the wingers are (AML/AMR) standing above the CM out-of-possession the user can choose somewhere around basic 3 formations such as a 4-5-1/4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1 where the AML/AMR/CAM are turned into standard midfielders idk if this will be hard to implement or something, we will see lol
  12. I watch so many analysis of matches Juventus played a 4-3-3 against united when attacking.. there wingers played a AML/AMR postion and stood above the CM however when defending they dropped into a 4-4-2.. All i want is a modern representation of football where the manager can ask there players to defend in a different position (AML into a ML) then there attacking position
  13. in FM When you play a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1 there is no option or instruction that tells the winger to stand Above the CM. thats the biggest issue that could easily solve all this,.. if there was an instruction that told the winger to stand above the CM, which is the benefit of 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1
  14. SI please listen, There is a limitation for A.I Teams & Managers such as A.I A.I Pep Guardiola & Man City , A.I Arsenal & Unai Emery, A.I Bayern Munich & Niko Kovač FM19s formation are players defensive position. if you play a 4-3-3 you defend in a 4-3-3... FM 19 A.I Managers using 4-2-3-1/4-3-3. For A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola they attack and defend in a 4-3-3 or attack and defend in a 4-2-3-1... A.I Pep Guardiola & Man City , A.I Arsenal & Unai Emery, A.I Bayern Munich & Niko Kovač does not do this in real life.... real life 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. In real life when teams such as Man City and Pep Guardiola attack in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, they defend in a 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1 because it improves defending, reduces gaps and space, improves compactness and shape, makes attacking midfielders defend more back. A.I not intelligent Enough The A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola they are not intelligent enough to intentionally defend in 4-5-1 and attack with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Liverpool use a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but only defend in 4-3-3- or 4-2-3-1. What can we do? How can we make A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola defend in a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 but attack in a 4-3-3 like they do in real life? A. Current System You can achieve an defending and attacking formation.. Only through roles and instructions. The default formation in FM is the defensive one. Limitations of Current System FOR A.I FM 4-3-3 & 4-2-3-1 limitations. Real life Pep Guardiola and Man City attack with 4-3-3 and defend with a 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 however A.I Pep Guardiola and Man City attack with 4-3-3 and defend with a 4-3-3 Complexity & A.I. The A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola are not intelligent enough to intentionally defend in 4-5-1 and attack with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. A.I Man City and Pep Guardiola use a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but only defend in 4-3-3- or 4-2-3-1. Not realistic Modern Tactic System/creating . real life Pep Guardiola and Man City chooses an attacking formation 4-3-3 and then chooses a defending formation such as 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 e.g. managers in real life A. Pick an attacking formation 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 B. pick a defensive formation e.g. 4-5-1, 4-4-2, 4-1-4-1 C. then sort out roles & instructions Not Realistic modern football matches. in real life teams can easily move and shift into there defensive shapes when defending e.g. A.I Pep Guardiola and A.I Man City should be able to switch between a 4-3-3- attacking shape into a 4-4-2, 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 defensive shape easily during a match. Not Structured or clearly define shape of attacking formation. the attacking shape defined through roles and instructions are limited, not strongly structured or defined when i look at the average position heat maps its hard to attack in a 4-2-3-1 and defend in a 4-4-2 which happens in real life The Suggested New System The Process of creating a tactic should be selecting A. a in-possession formation, then B. out-of-possession formation then C. create instructions and roles C1. In-Possession Formation. 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 C2. Out-Of-Possession Formation. The user is only allowed to choose 1 out of 4 basic formations (basic formations that are easy/realistic for your current formation to change to during defensive play) Your Default attacking formation (4-3-3) or 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 (3 CM,ML,MR), or 4-1-4-1 (1 CDM, 2 CM,2 ML/MR) C3. Roles and instructions In-Possession instruction Transition Instructions Out-Of-Possession Instructions Player roles & Instructions Benefits/Reason of new system Benefits/Reasons of New System. Improves A.I The A.I Managers and A.I Teams such as A.I Man City & A.I Pep Guardiola can attack with a 4-3-3 and defend with 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. Realistic Tactic System/creation its how Pep Guardiola create tactics e.g. managers A. Pick an attacking formation B. pick a defensive formation C. then sort out roles & instructions Realistic Football Matches. Real Modern Football matches are played this way e.g. teams should be able to switch between a 4-2-3-1 attacking shape into a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 defensive shape easily during a match Stronger defined structure and shape of attacking and defensive formation. Players will change position with intention and clear understanding, the defensive shape and the attacking shape will be stronger and more structured without it being loose. e.g. 4-2-3-1 attacking and 4-4-2 defending will be clear and structured
  15. But that is the issue You tell us to use a ML/MR.. but that means that there attacking position is not Above the CM... thats the benefit of 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 lost. there should be a revamp, a feature or option where we choose an attacking position formation such as 4-2-3-1, however when defending the players are instructed to go into a ML/MR/CM position this reflects modern football which i see nowadays..
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