*Official* Football Manager 2023 Feedback Thread

[Marinho]

2 minutes ago, jborges said:

I agree with % goals per chance rate. I can  send you a ammount os screenies with 30 shots, 16 on goal on my side, and 4 shots 2 on goal by the AI... and just look at the score.

I would say yes, the AI should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat on match, the amount of rabbits seems to be too much. Again, i dont see how i must play very defensive with Man City at the end of allmost every game.

Still, great game! Cant wait for the ME to be updated to make it even better 

Thx for the reply!

Don't forget that against the very big teams most other teams will close up shop, meaning it becomes much harder to get off clean shots in the box. That's the reason why big teams often will tend to need more posession and shots "per goal". Yes, IRL City or Bayern or Barcelona will win most matches but they won't win them all 5-0, 6-1 or sth. This seems to be the case IRL as well, though someone will likely have pulled those numbers and checked ... If you manage a smaller club you might well experience the same from the other side of the equation. The smaller team will generally have fewer chances but they will also have more space to potentially get clean shots off when they manage to execute a counter attack well.

[aj6658]

32 minutes ago, jborges said:

Its the last time ill pre-order... there is no point.

Preorder / buy the game 

Im kinda bored of this iteration quite quickly. Fatigued over the same broken Ai squad building and the same tactics screen. 

Do think we are 3/4 editions away from a really amazing ME. They implement stuff which clearly isnt ready or working (sprint capacity in regards to stamina from last year) and actual make it work in the following editions. 

But its mad to think its gonna take this long to get to that point. Like i said, a competitor would force change to be implemented at a much greater pace 

[TheAwesomeGem]

6 minutes ago, angelo994 said:

I have to say I find it strange that there is no update on launch. So the people who waited to play the game on launch are just going to be playing the same exact version as the Beta? There are so many issues still on the game. Just seems very strange to me to release the game with no change log or real update on the know issues. 

It appears that not a lot has changed when it comes to patches from BETA to Release. I guess most of the fixes will be after December.

[jborges]

8 minutos atrás, Marinho disse:

Don't forget that against the very big teams most other teams will close up shop, meaning it becomes much harder to get off clean shots in the box. That's the reason why big teams often will tend to need more posession and shots "per goal". Yes, IRL City or Bayern or Barcelona will win most matches but they won't win them all 5-0, 6-1 or sth. This seems to be the case IRL as well, though someone will likely have pulled those numbers and checked ... If you manage a smaller club you might well experience the same from the other side of the equation. The smaller team will generally have fewer chances but they will also have more space to potentially get clean shots off when they manage to execute a counter attack well.

I dont forget, im speaking of the ME: i get 10 CCC´s... the AI gets 2...  if my CCC´s werent there i´d be ok with that thought.

Dont want it to go away, just to be tuned...

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by jborges

[Fritz13]

2 minutes ago, FrazT said:

On the top bar of the home screen to the left of the FM badge- it looks like a small pencil

Should it show automatically then?
just loaded my beta save and I’m not seeing it.

[eye-switcher]

But player attributes have been updated right? like Ben Doak and others

[(sic)]

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.


Just as I feared, the in-game editor got even more expensive YET AGAIN. I really don't get this, it's the same thing we get every year. Each year it gets more expensive, now it's again increased in price by 1 euro. In a few years, it's gonna cost 10+ euros easily, which is just ridiculous for what it is. What's next, is the pre-game editor also gonna cost money now? There are games on steam that cost that much, or even less. 

This is just pure greed at this point, are there any new functionalities that took long to develop, to justify the price increase?

Also, no updates to the ME is also ridiculous, but I do understand it takes time to actually change stuff. There are issues that just made me not play the game at all in the last week, hoping for some of it to be fixed at launch.
Sadly that's not the case, so I doubt I'll actually play the game until the ME patch.


All of this is ridiculous, because not only is FM23 the most similar version to the previous game we've had in years, but the game and in-game editor got even more expensive, yet again. There's less and less improvements each year, while the game and editor cost more and more.

[XaW]

10 minutes ago, Fritz13 said:

Should it show automatically then?
just loaded my beta save and I’m not seeing it.

Was this ticked when you created the save?

If you go to FM -> Game status you can check if it is allowed or not

 

[Ferocious289]

4 minutes ago, eye-switcher said:

But player attributes have been updated right? like Ben Doak and others

Don't think they did, most players stats look the same from the beta

[jeru]

Nothing has changed with the release and update schedule since the days of having to buy a magazine with the updates on a CD. 
 

it’s the same nonsense every time “we don’t want to risk changes” “knock on effects” etc etc 

one match engine patch per cycle, don’t touch it in the winter update, because if they broke anything they would have to support it post march, when the game becomes abandonware. 
 

SI really need to evolve and modernise their development procedures and processes, didn’t miles announce they were moving to an agile methodology? Well this ain’t agile that’s for sure, 

 

 

[metal_guitarist]

5 minutes ago, eye-switcher said:

But player attributes have been updated right? like Ben Doak and others

There may have been some minor changes here and there but I wouldn't expect anything major to change from beta to release on the attribute front. 

[Eoin Maguire]

Well, this is the worst release of an FM game I've ever experienced. What other game or dev team gets away with this? No changes to ME at all (with all the bugs present besides a GK animation) , all the feedback you have got over the last 2 WEEKS and we have to wait until before CHRISTMAS before it's fixed. Might never pre order again as my trust is lost. I preordered to play the beta and then the full game, not to play a slightly updated beta. How about be prepared to release the full game at the release date and not give us the Beta 2.0? Also lots of DB changes that were incorrect are still present so I have no idea what is going on there, not much it seems... Years of lacklustre development on the ME and the game as a whole have caught up to SI and this is a breaking point for sure. Very poor, I'd be embarrassed if I was part of the dev team for this years game... I'll still play this game because I love it and always will, but the excitement and hype for the release is completely gone, maybe I won't get so upbeat about it in the future. 

[eye-switcher]

1 minute ago, Ferocious289 said:

Don't think they did, most players stats look the same from the beta

 

1 minute ago, metal_guitarist said:

There may have been some minor changes here and there but I wouldn't expect anything major to change from beta to release on the attribute front. 

Thats a travesty, so no updates, just bug squashing ? Do i file Ben Doak`s attributes as a bug in the bug forum?

[theinfamousmielie]

Yet another year (4th year running of me reporting it) where a fundamental and basic issue of staff numbers has been reported and not fixed.

Why does a club have more staff than they're allowed at the start of the game. That's the staff, it's not made up. So the club hired these people (especially those on contracts!) and yet somehow it doesn't fit into their expected numbers.

I'm a programmer, but it doesn't take a programmer to understand this.

if (startOfGame === true) {
    if (numberOfCoaches > allowedCoaches) {
        allowedCoaches = numberOfCoaches
    }
}

Obviously there's a bit more to it than that, I'm not naive ... but come on, really? 4 game versions _since I've reported it_ and it's still not addressed? 

What is the point in these "betas" if you're not going to fix the issues that are brought up in them?

This really messes up the starts of a save, every year. So frustrating.

Could someone tell me if this is ever going to be fixed and if so, when? This way, I can stop buying the game in hopes that my support means it's more likely that actual improvement will occur!

(And yes, I did post this on the bug tracker - it's a "known issue" ... thanks ... https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/dynamics-interactions-press-conferences-club-vision-supporter-confidence-staff-appointments-meetings/maximum-staff-numbers-at-start-of-game-too-low-at-some-clubs-have-22-scouts-max-allowed-is-16-have-9-coaches-max-allowed-is-5-r9441/

 

[craiigman]

Have to say I am glad I didn't bite the bullet and buy the game this year. I've been quite vocal in the past about full release not fixing issues picked up in the beta, but to not release any ME update on full release is a new one. Honestly surprised that the game has even launched at all and not delayed.

[Jonthedon26]

First time in a long time (maybe ever) that I have been hugely underwhelmed with a release of Football Manager. We are only a couple of weeks since the beta launched and I already feel my enthusiasm for playing is waning. In all my years playing Football Manager (and Championship Manager before that) I can't remember off the top of my head a release that felt so similar to the previous years' version, and in fact I dislike the scouting and the squad planner (squad depth) moreso this year. Besides the matchday graphics for the Championship and the Carabao cup, there isn't a whole lot I could say is a good different from last year. It's a shame as this series has been a part of my life for a long long time!

[metal_guitarist]

4 minutes ago, eye-switcher said:

 

Thats a travesty, so no updates, just bug squashing ? Do i file Ben Doak`s attributes as a bug in the bug forum?

Yes, over here please with evidence/good reasoning as to why certain attributes need changing: [England] Premier Division Data Issues - Bug Tracker - Sports Interactive Community (sigames.com)

What I will say about Doak is that he's 16 I believe? Generally first year scholars' attributes are random because researchers may not have been able to see them before then, clubs are very protective of their U16 groups and below. The Liverpool researcher has a good handle on things but it may be January before he's seen enough of Doak to accurately rate him.  

[Tfunk]

Really poor from SI we pay to test this game for them and provide feedback, we do our part and this is how we get treated in return. reminds me of last year when inside forwards were broken and not working as intended from the beta, we reported and they weren't fixed until the last major patch of the game. Along with the editor price going up for the exact same service???

[leo2r]

My biggest fear was they would revert to FM22 ME, where English tier 3 teams attempt 900+ passes per game and every team including non league teams have average of 88% passing accuracy, which is completely ridiculous. This ME is good just needs a couple of tweaks and it will be near perfection. I'd rather them take their time than just revert back or fix one issue and loads more bugs come with it. At the same time the clear bugs that do exist really should've been sorted pre-beta IMO, or within the last couple of weeks but understand how complex ME changes are, but waiting a couple of months and making a major ME update seems a bit of a strange way to do things.

Edited November 8, 2022 by leo2r

[Kazza]

After giving up on FM for awhile, I got FM22 free from Prime Games via Epic. That is a decent game. Just downloaded the demo but the feedback is not encouraging. 

Look forward to trying it out though.

[eye-switcher]

7 minutes ago, metal_guitarist said:

Yes, over here please with evidence/good reasoning as to why certain attributes need changing: [England] Premier Division Data Issues - Bug Tracker - Sports Interactive Community (sigames.com)

What I will say about Doak is that he's 16 I believe? Generally first year scholars' attributes are random because researchers may not have been able to see them before then, clubs are very protective of their U16 groups and below. The Liverpool researcher has a good handle on things but it may be January before he's seen enough of Doak to accurately rate him.  

Thanks a lot, I think it should be clear to everyone by now that follows youth players that he probably is among the best in the world at that age and clearly able to play at U21 level and his attributes doesn't reflect that in game.  So its a missed ball on this one but now i know why if his stats are random. Thanks

[MrPompey]

3 hours ago, DMaster2 said:

Just leaving my 2 cents...

FM 20 ingame editor -> 4,49€

FM21 ingame editor -> 5,49€

FM22 ingame editor -> 7,79€

FM23 ingame editor -> 8,99€

 

 

have you checked your food and energy bills in 2023 compared to 2022, 2021, 2020

[2calvin]

9 minutes ago, Eoin Maguire said:

Well, this is the worst release of an FM game I've ever experienced. What other game or dev team gets away with this? No changes to ME at all (with all the bugs present besides a GK animation) , all the feedback you have got over the last 2 WEEKS and we have to wait until before CHRISTMAS before it's fixed. Might never pre order again as my trust is lost. I preordered to play the beta and then the full game, not to play a slightly updated beta. How about be prepared to release the full game at the release date and not give us the Beta 2.0? Also lots of DB changes that were incorrect are still present so I have no idea what is going on there, not much it seems... Years of lacklustre development on the ME and the game as a whole have caught up to SI and this is a breaking point for sure. Very poor, I'd be embarrassed if I was part of the dev team for this years game... I'll still play this game because I love it and always will, but the excitement and hype for the release is completely gone, maybe I won't get so upbeat about it in the future. 

MIles is laughing at you. "worst release" "trust lost" "very poor" and in the next breath "i'll still play" "i love it and always will"

if you feel that strongly and want them to take notice try not buying the game instead of writing a forum post that miles will never read?

[fc.cadoni]

Match Engine Animations

- An improvement compared to FM22 and from previous versions. Have seen some nice goals (like Zidane at Final CL type of goal) and BPD carrying the ball until midfield - sometimes even further; nice.

7/10

General UI

- Since this one is personal taste, I really like the original skin this year. Some cosmetic bugs need to be addressed.

7/10

Transfers

- Since what you load in database directly affect this, SI need to decrease the reputation in equation - both for loaded and unloaded nations/leagues. A skilled player is skilled player and IRL takes more weighting than reputation.

5/10

Scouting

- My biggest disappoint so far in FM23. Revamp is ok, but need to be UX friendly. The learning curve is big and bit chaotic sometimes. Lots of players with A grade as well. I don't trust or look at any grade (A or star system), but I have notice it.

2/10

Training

- No updates two-three versions so far. There are some excellent requests in the forum about training, at least you can implement one of them each year.

5/10

Player Development

- Well, tweaking the youth awards to increase the reputation can solve some issues IMHO; so AI will start to pick that players and not rely in 35 y/o so often. Player performance in the pitch and overall ability should take more weighting in equation.

4/10

GG
fc.cadoni

[MrPompey]

6 minutes ago, Kazza said:

After giving up on FM for awhile, I got FM22 free from Prime Games via Epic. That is a decent game. Just downloaded the demo but the feedback is not encouraging. 

Look forward to trying it out though.

Dont listen to the feedback. Many people due to the way the play do not notice issues which some people do

[FrazT]

38 minutes ago, Fritz13 said:

Should it show automatically then?
just loaded my beta save and I’m not seeing it.

Has the game updated to the release version?

[soablacksmith]

1 hour ago, janrzm said:

You could always just pretend it’s not there. 😂

I try to but it's hard to unsee it. Anyways, this year I go "siuuuuuu" after my team scores 

 

[Kazza]

5 minutes ago, MrPompey said:

Dont listen to the feedback. Many people due to the way the play do not notice issues which some people do

Last one I actually bought was FM2019 which I thought was also decent. Yep, I read the comments every year even if not buying the game but note that the comments on feedback can be quite harsh and do not reflect the overall game play. in my experience of the game or the bulk of people who play. That said they are those that comment constructively and are helpful.

Right demo downloaded let's try it

[Neil Brock]

6 hours ago, The_Batmantis said:

@Neil Brock

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what you have written here seems to conflict with what was previously posted and I'm hoping you can clarify why there seems to be a change of approach in regards to patch notes, change lists, and communication about bug fixes.
 

>How will I know that my issue has been addressed or fixed? 

>With every update we release we include a change list, which lists some, but not always all changes and fixes. Whilst we will try to respond to threads informing users when a specific issue has been fixed, in some circumstances we may not be able to. But it is our aim to try and do so, so you have clarity after an update comes out. 


You clearly communicated in the Bug Tracker FAQ that each update receives a change list. I read that as a commitment to the users of this forum that a change list will continue to be used. But now we are being told that it's not being used. It's now unclear how we will receive information about fixes that have already been implemented in the game.

You stated that some threads in the bug tracker will be updated in the coming days, but that seems to be a far less efficient approach. Is each user now expected to scroll through individual threads in the bug tracker to know what has been patched and what has not? That feels like a much less efficient way to communicate this information to players and users of this forum.

Why this change in approach?

It wasn't an update, it's the full release of the game. 

[Neil Brock]

2 hours ago, latrell said:

i can not find the pre game editor either ? when you say restart steam do you just mean exit it and open it again.

Restart your system please. 

[Neil Brock]

1 hour ago, angelo994 said:

I have to say I find it strange that there is no update on launch. So the people who waited to play the game on launch are just going to be playing the same exact version as the Beta? There are so many issues still on the game. Just seems very strange to me to release the game with no change log or real update on the know issues. 

The game has gone from the Early Access Beta to the full retail version and those versions are different.

[DarJ]

42 minutes ago, (sic) said:

the in-game editor got even more expensive YET AGAIN. I really don't get this, it's the same thing we get every year. Each year it gets more expensive, now it's again increased in price by 1 euro

I've never bought it or used it and I don't plan on doing so but doesn't it make sense that it would cost more since the price of everything in general has gone up? 

[BrightLad5]

3 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

The game has gone from the Early Access Beta to the full retail version and those versions are different.

Yes... but we're all asking why no Change List from one version to the other like every other Game Dev does from Beta to full release. All we had was that SI have never done that so they aren't doing it... Which doesn't explain anything. All we want to know is what has changed in the game from beta to full release, it shouldnt be this big of a request...

Edited November 8, 2022 by BrightLad5

[harrycarrie]

Just now, BrightLad5 said:

Yes... but we're all asking why no Change List from one version to the other like every other Game Dev does from Beta to full release. All we had was that SI have never done that so they aren't doing it... Which doesn't explain anything. All we want to know is what has changed in the game from beta to full release, it should be this big of a request...

They changed the logo so there's that

[BenW.]

Updated my game to the full version but the likes of Emery to Aston Villa, Michael Carrick to Middlesbrough etc haven't been done in my new save. Checked the pre-game editor and they are all done in there from scratch but just not in my save...

[metal_guitarist]

1 minute ago, BenW. said:

Updated my game to the full version but the likes of Emery to Aston Villa, Michael Carrick to Middlesbrough etc haven't been done in my new save. Checked the pre-game editor and they are all done in there from scratch but just not in my save...

Have you started a new game? Database changes aren't able to be applied to existing saves.

[FlazeepX]

12 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

It wasn't an update, it's the full release of the game. 

It's 2022 Neil, I've seen enough 1.0 releases from early access/alpha to know they come with changelogs, I don't understand why it is such a problem to provide the player base with something as simple as a list of fixes and changes for the release?

Edited November 8, 2022 by FlazeepX

[diddydaddydoddy]

29 minutes ago, eye-switcher said:

Thanks a lot, I think it should be clear to everyone by now that follows youth players that he probably is among the best in the world at that age and clearly able to play at U21 level and his attributes doesn't reflect that in game.  So its a missed ball on this one but now i know why if his stats are random. Thanks

I'm the Liverpool researcher and I have seen him play for us. His CA is significantly greater than any other u18 player for LFC which is the squad he started to play with. His first game for our u21s was 8th October, he only played c120 mins for our u21s prior to datalock. Yet his CA is already in the top half of our u21 players. His PA is very, very high too and potential range should be reached in game. Do not get carried away with his attributes but his performances and development at that level. So with respect, I've not 'missed the ball', I need to see him more now that he's playing at a higher level to ensure his attributes become more reflective

Edited November 8, 2022 by diddydaddydoddy

[phnompenhandy]

1 hour ago, janrzm said:

You could always just pretend it’s not there. 😂

The thing is, it becomes impossible to unsee it. It's really really irritating! I'm just relieved I got rid of mine.

 

So you're on the screen of 'accessories'. You click on ears and you get TWO boxes - left ear and right ear. You click for each ear on the box with no earring in the ear.

(You do likewise to get rid of rings on each hand.) Each time, you save your choice and check on the big picture that "you" are sans earring.

[Fritz13]

52 minutes ago, XaW said:

Was this ticked when you created the save?

If you go to FM -> Game status you can check if it is allowed or not

 

My status is the same as your screenshot so I guess it’s more a question of is there anything I need to so for it to show as it isn’t automatic.

I was sure for old versions that I had to tick or select the IGE for it to show.

[hoaxz]

Definitely the most disappointing version of FM ever for me. An almost complete lack of new features, ME being rather buggy and data/league issues raised during beta just being completely ignored by SI. The fact that we have to wait for a month after release for pretty basic issues to be fixed is actually appalling to me. Probably the last FM I pre-order. 

[sigurdandreas]

5 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

The game has gone from the Early Access Beta to the full retail version and those versions are different.

How?

I understand the supposed differences between a Beta and the full release, but considering the lack of changes both in the ME and loads of DB issues flagged that haven’t been corrected, what exactly seperates the Beta from the Full Retail Version?

I think people are frustrated as what you call full release honestly just feels and looks like the Beta without any differences.

 

[BenW.]

1 minute ago, metal_guitarist said:

Have you started a new game? Database changes aren't able to be applied to existing saves.

 

Yep started two different saves and the same issues are there. No Corberan at West Brom amongst the others I've mentioned.

 

 

[XaW]

Just now, Fritz13 said:

My status is the same as your screenshot so I guess it’s more a question of is there anything I need to so for it to show as it isn’t automatic.

I was sure for old versions that I had to tick or select the IGE for it to show.

It should be visible next to the FM-menu. Are you using any skin, by any chance? Perhaps try it with the base skin, if so. Other than that I don't know, sorry. I haven't bought the IGE yet...

[Kloppy]

 

Did not get fixed ;(

[SeaCarrot]

14 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

It wasn't an update, it's the full release of the game. 

So it wasn't an update..

 

10 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

The game has gone from the Early Access Beta to the full retail version and those versions are different.

Oh wait it was, since its now a different version.

Strange. To go from a whole different game version yet there be ZERO changes. I mean there must have been zero right, since there's no changelog. 

4 minutes ago, FlazeepX said:

It's 2022 Neil, I've seen enough 1.0 releases from early access/alpha to know they come with changelogs, I don't understand why it is such a problem to provide the player base with something as simple as a list of fixes and changes for the release?

The simple answer is it'd be embarrassingly short. Just like the 'feature' list. 

[bobbyb12345]

30 minutes ago, MrPompey said:

have you checked your food and energy bills in 2023 compared to 2022, 2021, 2020

LOL, what inflationary pressures exist on a piece of software that already exists? 

[zzkeg27]

23 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

The game has gone from the Early Access Beta to the full retail version and those versions are different.

It's officially released, but I don't know the difference from the beta version except for the version change.It's officially released, but I don't know the difference from the beta version except for the version change.
SI should inform you of the changes in detail. And ME's problems with defense, which many people talk about and are known to be, need to be updated quickly.
I feel like I'm still doing the beta version, not the officially released version.
Clearly, the officially released version should be different from the beta version.
It is very disappointing that we didn't change the ME at the time of official release.

Edited November 8, 2022 by zzkeg27

[metal_guitarist]

2 minutes ago, BenW. said:

 

Yep started two different saves and the same issues are there. No Corberan at West Brom amongst the others I've mentioned.

 

 

In that case they may have happened after data lock. Can't remember when that was off the top of my head. 

[Just4Downloads]

The words Beta or early access are a hype generator/money spinner. If you keep that in perspective then you’ll understand why there is no listed changes on “full release”. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Just4Downloads