TheInvisibleMan Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Brilliant that they've put Brexit in. I was really against it happening but now it has to be featured in the game. Great that there are different scenarios too so it's not the same every time. Can't say I'd enjoy applying for work permits for European players but I'd much rather it simulate real life more closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m@rk Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 well this will make some saves very interesting......outstanding work by the SI Team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 This Brexit stuff is utter nonsense. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/18/brexit-is-simulated-in-football-manager-2017-and-its-going-to-ma/ Edit : At least make it a toggle and or remove fantasy situations like Scotland leaving the UK and getting to stay a part of the EU or even more laughable - a referendum in NI. People are going to be really ****** off if a save gets ruined de to the randomness of what in game Brexit turns out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuldaniss Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Im not sure that Scotland leaving the UK is that much of a fantasy situation, but maybe I just don't know things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matshit Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 It's cool and all, but it sort of annoys me how much more in depth Football Manager goes when it is the English game that is influenced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, treble_yell_:-) said: This Brexit stuff is utter nonsense. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/18/brexit-is-simulated-in-football-manager-2017-and-its-going-to-ma/ Agreed. From that article: “If people think the outcome is bleak,” he [Jacobson] shrugs, “this is what I believe could happen.” So it's all based on his "belief"? Looks like politically-motivated drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Great, something to whine about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 No Champions League tonight, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 minute ago, treble_yell_:-) said: It IS a FM discussion.......... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/18/brexit-is-simulated-in-football-manager-2017-and-its-going-to-ma/ That'll do... both of you. @Per Annum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Sooooo....is there going to be any other features announced before BETA hits or is the BREXIT feature the last one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Powermonger said: Sooooo....is there going to be any other features announced before BETA hits or is the BREXIT feature the last one? There are still tons of new features to explore in the Beta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 The Beta came out on this day in 2012 too. I know because I had a date scheduled that night and... I ditched the Beta. Four years on and we're still together but luckily for me she's at her mother's tonight so no anniversary duties and full on Betalicious goodness. I'm owed that one I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Indeed kubi... think i'd prefer to play and find new stuff myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuedi Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, Matshit said: It's cool and all, but it sort of annoys me how much more in depth Football Manager goes when it is the English game that is influenced. Don't you think that these situations would have an impact on the whole football world? Great addition, SI. I really love this feature, didn't even think about of this before. Hands down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 https://steamdb.info/app/482730/ It's already on steamdb. Probably between 8 and 12pm european time tonight, that's usually when Steam updates are rolled out. Maybe a bit later since Tuesday is steam maintenance day and it usually goes down around midnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Wavelberry said: The Beta came out on this day in 2012 too. I know because I had a date scheduled that night and... I ditched the Beta. Four years on and we're still together but luckily for me she's at her mother's tonight so no anniversary duties and full on Betalicious goodness. I'm owed that one I think. So you still have the FM12 BETA and you sent it back to SI for the night so you can two time with the FM16 beta?! You dog you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, fabioke said: I would prefer that we could choose the outcome ourselves when loading the game. It would be a very, very good idea to have this as a configurable option, much like the option to disable first window transfer budgets, for people that wanted to try it with a particular option. That's as much for people who think a particular option represents a more interesting challenge as for those worried it might ruin their game or convinced a particular scenario is the most likely one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, KUBI said: There are still tons of new features to explore in the Beta. OK, guess I'll have to wait for the beta tester reports as I pre-order the DVD version. Damn me and my collector instincts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per Annum Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Just now, enigmatic said: It would be a very, very good idea to have this as a configurable option, much like the option to disable first window transfer budgets, for people that wanted to try it with a particular option. That's as much for people who think a particular option represents a more interesting challenge as for those worried it might ruin their game or convinced a particular scenario is the most likely one. I'm someone who enjoys a challenge and would never ever use an optional feature, but agree that FM is in many peoples' eyes an entertainment product and some for of optional tickbox for this feature does seem wise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SideLineBiscuit Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Brexit Manager 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah I like the random factor in games like this, its what brings the world alive. But I also feel that a on/off toggle might be needed - idk, I rarely manage in England , but I don't want the AI to be handicapped or knackered by a 'fantasy scenario' at random. I suppose its how it all boils down in game as to how the AI is structured to deal with it....and not have a bunch of foreigners wasting away or bought in only to be sold on the cheap to get round this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwoody Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 For me the fact that Brexit is in the game makes it worth buying, No-one knows what is going to happen and football managers are having to plan for all possible eventualities. So why shouldn't we when playing a game that is meant to simulate real life challenges of a football manager. You may not think outcome X or outcome Y would ever happen but then some of us did not expect the vote to ever go the way it has. So I think it is great that Miles and the team have chosen to simulate the various possible outcomes, including the possibility of another Scottish referendum which we know the SNP are already considering. It cannot have been easy given the timescales for them to implement all the possibilities and I take my hat of to them for doing so. I can see why some would like a configurable option and that's a good idea but like Per Annum it is not an option I would use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 38 minutes ago, fabioke said: I would prefer that we could choose the outcome ourselves when loading the game. If you really wanted to do that, I suspect you could just re-load at that point in the game until you've got the "outcome" that you want. But for me, the uncertainty is key here - hopefully lots of tantalizing and anxiety inducing build-up in the news feeds / social media feeds as well in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 https://twitter.com/milessi/status/788326200565440512 Deep breath lads!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, SideLineBiscuit said: Brexit Manager 2017 Actually, a "Brexit Manager" simulating the negotiation process itself sounds like it could be a popular indie game (particularly if you like playing games where it's impossible to win) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
callamity Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Politics is drivel in real life. Can't believe this has been included. I mean do I even get to vote? Brexit + trump = ww3 Is half my squad going to get drafted to go build a wall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matshit Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Yuedi said: Don't you think that these situations would have an impact on the whole football world? Great addition, SI. I really love this feature, didn't even think about of this before. Hands down. Absolutely. But the game now went from "The World will be pretty much in a status quo for the next X years (depending on how long you play)" to "only change will be this single thing that is happening in the UK right now". I could probably find hundreds of similar stories from all over the world, about big political/economical changes to a country that was not done nearly as detailed in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Wonder what i will feel like if i get the hard Brexit, as that will have a permanent effect on my game. Love the uncertainty about it. Do understand if people want it to be something you can toggle on or off though. Would probably be a good idea to have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshieboy750 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lord Rowell said: If you really wanted to do that, I suspect you could just re-load at that point in the game until you've got the "outcome" that you want. But for me, the uncertainty is key here - hopefully lots of tantalizing and anxiety inducing build-up in the news feeds / social media feeds as well in the game. I imagine what outcome you get will be something hardcoded at the start of the save, not something you can just reload to get a different outcome everytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 As the article states @Walshieboy750 it will be various random outcome based on any number of things, but the randomness will still be there, so I imagine saving and loading would do it... however, given the article also explains brexit can happen anywhere from 2 years in to 7 years (?) I don't imagine it will be as easy as reloading the same way as some do for say, youth intakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Fantastic option. As a remoaner I am well happy that Miles has introduced this, a brave and laudable addition. Might wake a few people up to the reality of what a hard brexit will mean for the UK. Will make the game that much more interesting. Presumably those players already in the UK will have a reserved right. Though there is no guarantee on that currently re EU citzens, pending the outsome of talks with the EU on how we treat current EU/UK immigrates e.g. UK citizens in Spain. EU citizens in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 As someone who voted to leave the European Union (apologies, Remainians), I can't adequately describe to you how excited I am that Brexit - hard, soft, or whatever - is in FM17. I'm sure that Nicola Sturgeon will be delighted that Scoxit (Scottish independence from the UK) is a possibility as well. Sports Interactive really have thought of all the possible Brexit scenarios, haven't they? I'm really looking forward to possibly managing in a Premier League where British players are in the majority again. That should be a very exciting challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Existing EU players will get special dispensation it seems: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 So do we think the game will award all players currently in the league a WP in the event of a Hard brexit ? I wonder if the game will simulate the inflated prices for English players that'd be the by product of such an outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 minute ago, martplfc1 said: Existing EU players will get special dispensation it seems: That is ONE outcome, as is explained in the article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 18, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2016 15 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: I notice from the analytics that 76 people are currently playing the game, presumably all the alpha testers. It's so close you can almost taste it... Where can you see this Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: Where can you see this Dave? Here: https://steamdb.info/app/482730/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 18, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2016 Thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: Where can you see this Dave? Through any site that tracks the Steam API. It's currently showing 77 people playing in the last hour , 82 in last 24hrs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 18, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah those things aren't always as accurate as they appear to be, but good to know it was somewhere like that rather than officially and directly through Steam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBuzzo15 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Is it possible that it will drop around 6pm UK time? Is it based on Steam now setting it up for download? I believe they are based in California, which is about 8 hours behind the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: Yeah those things aren't always as accurate as they appear to be, but good to know it was somewhere like that rather than officially and directly through Steam. http://steamcharts.com/app/482730 Well, that site takes data directly through steam and their stats. So, yeah, it's out there in the plain sight. Edit: They're based in Seattle, 8h behind CET and 7 behind you guys in the UK. Updates roll out between 3 and 6pm their time. Steam also goes down for maintenence every Tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 No definite time @KingBuzzo15 But we can speculate all day long.. my guess would be this evening some time yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 36 minutes ago, Welshace said: As the article states @Walshieboy750 it will be various random outcome based on any number of things, but the randomness will still be there, so I imagine saving and loading would do it... however, given the article also explains brexit can happen anywhere from 2 years in to 7 years (?) I don't imagine it will be as easy as reloading the same way as some do for say, youth intakes. Far too random in my view, it is going to be at least 2019 before we know what the implications of Brexit are and I believe that SI should have left well alone until then. You are going to be playing games with scenarios that simply don't happen in real life moving the game further away from reality. I may well stick to FM16 until FM20 when we will have a clearer idea on how Brexit will affect football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Seems like you're cutting your nose off to spite your face there Tony. FM has always had scenarios which are miles away from real life, just manage a team in Europe if you hate the idea so much and it happens in your game. I don't expect it will impact U.K. managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullem Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Looking forward to coming back from Brighton v Wolves tonight to find the Beta in my steam library Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottey_swe Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Predicted league finish and match odds will now be updated during the season if I'm correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yep, so it seems from the video Ottey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, ottey_swe said: Predicted league finish and match odds will now be updated during the season if I'm correct? Not much has been said about that but I think its an important change. With it being more dynamic it will have an effect on how other teams set up to face you and might end the cycle that some users find themselves in of long unbeaten runs followed by long runs without a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cougar2010 said: Not much has been said about that but I think its an important change. With it being more dynamic it will have an effect on how other teams set up to face you and might end the cycle that some users find themselves in of long unbeaten runs followed by long runs without a win. If it makes the game more challenging , thumbs up from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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