*Official* Football Manager 2023 Early Access Beta Feedback Thread

[pedrosantos]

Rashid has nail it on the latest video. The me and the new tactical options are superb (well done si developers ) but the other features are for now kind of useless, well, at least there's big margin to improve. 

Edited October 22, 2022 by pedrosantos

[treble_yell_:-)]

Seems to be issues with the squad comparison screen, for example;

[andu1]

I feel some of the formations that were removed for the AI in the game should be re-added. 4-4-1-1, 4-1-4-1... 5-4-1. I mean these formations are standard in today's football.

 

I mean all formations without a DM have been removed except for 4-4-2 which is a bit too much...

Edited October 22, 2022 by andu1

[Iwabik]

Few matches in, I'm loving the ME so far. Few bugs here and there, but that's to be expected in Beta.

Outside of the ME though... feels like I just chose different skin.

 

Edit: One extra thing I forgot to add: I feel like due to new  animations, you can finally see a difference between a good dribbler and bad dribbler. The good ones keep the ball a lot closer and make more 'precise' touches, which is great, because so far good and bad players looked virtually the same in ME.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Iwabik

[Obaaa]

I genuinely don't understand how QA on the match engine hasn't identified the issue with long balls and defenders just allowing the ball to go over their heads to strikers uncontested. They literally stand there watching it.

Probably the biggest issue in the game right now, hopefully picked up and fixed for release.

[Vali184]

3 minutes ago, Obaaa said:

I genuinely don't understand how QA on the match engine hasn't identified the issue with long balls and defenders just allowing the ball to go over their heads to strikers uncontested. They literally stand there watching it.

Probably the biggest issue in the game right now, hopefully picked up and fixed for release.

Because each year you pay to test this game, which is a brilliant business for them.

[Obaaa]

5 minutes ago, Vali184 said:

Because each year you pay to test this game, which is a brilliant business for them.

Seems that way doesn't it. Just basic things that you can notice playing it for an hour or less.

[T-IceMan]

5 minutes ago, Obaaa said:

Seems that way doesn't it. Just basic things that you can notice playing it for an hour or less.

Who says these issues werent caused by earlier tuning where those things didnt happen at all. Its all iterative, so those issues might have been present earlier in the closed testing.

[craiigman]

Does this screen still exist?

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/557920-official-football-manager-2022-early-access-beta-feedback-thread/?do=findComment&comment=13305192

[xray1324]

2 hours ago, KamyKaze said:

That doesn't mean they want you sacked. They just angry about that match. If you go to club vision they will probably still like you (unless this is a string of bad results)

it was the first match of the season lol

[2feet]

Slightly too much ball bobbling?

When a winger does a long dribble down the flank, every single touch is a ball bobble.... seems a little bit too much.

A few bobbles yes, but then also have some touches where the ball stays flat on the ground.

[trevjim]

7 hours ago, rusty217 said:

That's surely not the reason. Who cares if players find exploits? They've even released an official in-game editor, so SI clearly don't care if people want to cheat to win.

Because they (and we) want the match engine to be as realistic as possible. If there are match engine exploits then thats a huge failure of their fundamentals.

 

Remember in FM 2005 when there was a corner exploit. Jack Hobbs scored about 30 goals for me from CB. 

 

It's like FIFA/Pes having a way of playing that is unstoppable. like the goal from kick off on FIFA and diagonal running on Pes back in the day.

[trevjim]

54 minutes ago, craiigman said:

Does this screen still exist?

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/557920-official-football-manager-2022-early-access-beta-feedback-thread/?do=findComment&comment=13305192

Yeh I've come across it. Although I've now sent all media interactions to my ass man. They are soooooo boring and repetitive 

[rusty217]

15 minutes ago, trevjim said:

Because they (and we) want the match engine to be as realistic as possible. If there are match engine exploits then thats a huge failure of their fundamentals.

 

Remember in FM 2005 when there was a corner exploit. Jack Hobbs scored about 30 goals for me from CB. 

 

It's like FIFA/Pes having a way of playing that is unstoppable. like the goal from kick off on FIFA and diagonal running on Pes back in the day.

You could just not use exploits? It's a single player game, it's not a huge failure if there's an exploit or something. Most players won't even notice it exists.

[rp1966]

Been playing quite a lot today and I think the ME is looking very good.  Players seem a little too keen to shoot from the edge of the box (though, that has resulted in a few spectacular goals) and defenders are a little quick to hoof the ball upfield (both might be pressing sensitivity related). Definitely feels FM22 like in some respects - I haven't seen any of the lethal IF/IW drives into the box that were such a signature of FM21, for example - but it all feels slightly more realistic and the new animations give it a more polished feel.  On current experience I'm not looking for much to be changed for the full release.  

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by rp1966

[trevjim]

11 minutes ago, rusty217 said:

You could just not use exploits? It's a single player game, it's not a huge failure if there's an exploit or something. Most players won't even notice it exists.

I get what you are saying but that's essentially the Devs of a game saying "yeh our game is broken so just ignore the broken bits"

 

It's a lazy excuse. Not saying this is the case with SI but it's my inclination, considering how many people have been asking for it for years and they ignore it year on year to do UI tweaks instead 

[Raymond85]

34 minuti fa, Saradiamanta ha scritto:

FM 23 I think lack of initiative about implementation sub 5 players rules. I check some league like french cup still used 3 subs oh cmon update lazy SI. and international competition too still used 3 subs rule. I checked that SI only implement 5 subs rule only in BiG LeaGuE. Just lazy FFS.

 

For example last year i edit all my load LEAGUE database 12 different country to 5 subs rule in pre game editor. But i cant change the INTERNATIONAL rules.

 

Why SI cant? Oh my god just lazy i think

If it's incorrectly implemented, did you post it in the bug tracker?

[craiigman]

47 minutes ago, trevjim said:

Yeh I've come across it. Although I've now sent all media interactions to my ass man. They are soooooo boring and repetitive 

Still one of the worst UI/UX I have ever seen, can't believe it's lasted 3 games now

[phillewis1]

I’m finding it basically impossible to sign players as a non league team. Every time I offer a contract to a player at least three other clubs offer contracts immediately afterwards despite the player having no interest before my offer.

[Reiver]

I like seeing these things I've never seen before, even if I don't like this guy's attitude.

[danielfreyrg]

Is it not possible to scout the world cups or am I missing something? eight now i'm trying to scout the U-20 world cup but it doesn't show up in the international competitions section of the scouting assignment.  the competition  has already started so that should not be the issue, I also had this problem with the 2022 world cup where it didn't show up in the scouting thingy. Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?

 

Also I am managing United and have the whole world available to scout.

Edited October 22, 2022 by danielfreyrg

[(sic)]

1 hour ago, 2feet said:

Slightly too much ball bobbling?

When a winger does a long dribble down the flank, every single touch is a ball bobble.... seems a little bit too much.

A few bobbles yes, but then also have some touches where the ball stays flat on the ground.

It seems like they do it on purpose, when they introduce something new to the ME. 

Remember a few years ago when they added curved balls? All you could see back then were balls being curved by every player out there, it was so annoying.

[Bakiano]

I know its beta and its a new version and there are a few new tactic options, but I am struggling to keep a clean sheet. 

 

Every game I concede a goal and most goals are coming from mistakes of my defenders..

[kertiek]

i was hoping this year we would get a shortcut to bring the match tablet on and off instead of having to click an icon everry time with the mouse

[zachalxnder]

Are players genuinely not having any technical developmental at all?

[pedrosantos]

Is there any problem with signing players ???

I'm negotiating terms with the player's agent, and he keeps asking for any modification of terms / promesses to make the offer more attractive, so it's impossible to advance to the contract offer.

Edited October 22, 2022 by pedrosantos

[albertluque]

Is it possible to change the colour of the seperators? They're VERY blue and it's horrible.

[Matteo3champions]

It’s still possible to sack agent in FM 23?

[Dotsworthy]

37 minutes ago, zachalxnder said:

Are players genuinely not having any technical developmental at all?

Yeah. SI have marked it as a known issue in the bug tracker though.

[(sic)]

So now that I've played more, I've started noticing certain annoying things in the ME.

 

There are too many balls over the top that result in goals. My striker is on 42 goals, and I still have like 7-8 games left in the season.

Too many shots get blocked, then the ball travels in the air for what seems like an eternity, until the GK catches it.

Also, not sure if squad planner is bugged or not. I tried removing a player from a position, but he seems to return there after some time, so I have to remove the player again.

Edited October 22, 2022 by (sic)

[Obaaa]

6 hours ago, FM1000 said:

* One on ones - they do not feel like better scoring opportunities then other types of chances created. Only other play which should have better rate of conversion than one on one is a tap in or a penalty but that is not the case in the ME, it feels like a long shot and one on one are almost the same difficulty shoot.

Because the game generates so many one on ones. Conversion rate has to be low to prevent games being 6-6 every game.

 

[Iwabik]

Please, get rid of the "PAUSED" clock

[Johnny Ace]

3 minutes ago, Iwabik said:

Please, get rid of the "PAUSED" clock

Here, here. Hate the damn thing

[david_kax]

I still don't know if I should buy the game...

I read comments saying that there are many more dribbles, that the IF/IW cut inside with the ball much more than in FM22...

But I don't see those plays in the videos I've seen from the BETA and I read other comments saying that the ME is similar to FM22 and that IF/IW don't make plays driving into the box like they did in FM21.

Can someone explain to me better the behavior, dribbling, trends... Of IF/IW in FM23 and if there is an appreciable change compared to FM22? I would appreciate it because for me is important to decide whether to buy the game.

[GOODNAME]

4 minutes ago, david_kax said:

I still don't know if I should buy the game...

I read comments saying that there are many more dribbles, that the IF/IW cut inside with the ball much more than in FM22...

But I don't see those plays in the videos I've seen from the BETA and I read other comments saying that the ME is similar to FM22 and that IF/IW don't make plays driving into the box like they did in FM21.

Can someone explain to me better the behavior, dribbling, trends... Of IF/IW in FM23 and if there is an appreciable change compared to FM22? I would appreciate it because for me is important to decide whether to buy the game.

There are a lot more dribbling and from the IF/IW but not enough in my opinion 

[Johnny Ace]

5 minutes ago, david_kax said:

I still don't know if I should buy the game...

I read comments saying that there are many more dribbles, that the IF/IW cut inside with the ball much more than in FM22...

But I don't see those plays in the videos I've seen from the BETA and I read other comments saying that the ME is similar to FM22 and that IF/IW don't make plays driving into the box like they did in FM21.

Can someone explain to me better the behavior, dribbling, trends... Of IF/IW in FM23 and if there is an appreciable change compared to FM22? I would appreciate it because for me is important to decide whether to buy the game.

I'd say wait for the demo before you buy, there's usually one at launch so you can see for yourself 

[janrzm]

5 hours ago, andu1 said:

I feel some of the formations that were removed for the AI in the game should be re-added. 4-4-1-1, 4-1-4-1... 5-4-1. I mean these formations are standard in today's football.

 

I mean all formations without a DM have been removed except for 4-4-2 which is a bit too much...

Has anyone offered more insight into why this was done?

[(sic)]

1 minute ago, janrzm said:

Has anyone offered more insight into why this was done?

Probably because the game would be even more easy, due to ME issues.

[StevehFC]

This is probarly the wrong thread for this but is the work permit issues for Scotland still a bug on the beta? 

[Iwabik]

11 minutes ago, david_kax said:

I still don't know if I should buy the game...

I read comments saying that there are many more dribbles, that the IF/IW cut inside with the ball much more than in FM22...

But I don't see those plays in the videos I've seen from the BETA and I read other comments saying that the ME is similar to FM22 and that IF/IW don't make plays driving into the box like they did in FM21.

Can someone explain to me better the behavior, dribbling, trends... Of IF/IW in FM23 and if there is an appreciable change compared to FM22? I would appreciate it because for me is important to decide whether to buy the game.

I don't know if I'd say there are more dribbles but you can definitely tell whether the player on the ball is actually any good at dribbling. The new animations work very good. I've only plaid 16 games so far, but I am yet to find anything about the ME that annoys me or is obviously wrong and immersion-breaking (apart a bug here or there, obviously - beta). Generally, I'd say the current ME is at least as good as FM22, probably better and it has huge potential. It definitely feels more like a football than 22.

As for IF/IW - I don't know. I love a winger cutting in, but they really didn't do anything in 22. I found out that playing with 3 strikers and 2 of them being Trequartistas actually works like I intended to, so currently I'm trying that in 23 and it's been working so far.

Oh, also, outside the ME, it feels like basically the same game.

So yeah, I'd say wait for the demo if you can to decide yourself if it is worth the price.

[Domoboy23]

Is anyone seeing AI managers getting sacked 7/8 games into a season for being 5th/6th when expected to finish in the playoffs?

[Ferocious289]

First impressions after getting a copy today

• Player of the week is nice feature
• Supporters confidence doesn't seem to have any influence just another tab/screen to check on once in a while right next to club vision
• Squad planner lacks depth and any flexiblity, just seems like an scouting extension
• M.E - Keepers are more realistic, strikers touches and finishing is more realistic, the match doesn't feel like it's on rails and players move fluidly. defensive midfielders take time on the ball to control tempo and actually shield the defence and all round flow of the game is fantastic
• Al transfers are are still a mess to the point it's very difficult to sign players even if they are coming from low reputation club they will not enter negotiations
• There doesn't seem to be a huge change in attributes

The match engine is the saving grace, if I paid full price for it I'd be livid because this could easily have been a dlc.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Ferocious289

[harrycarrie]

6.25 xG  Don't think I've had it that high in a non-friendly

 

[zachalxnder]

14 minutes ago, harrycarrie said:

6.25 xG  Don't think I've had it that high in a non-friendly

 

How are your players developing?

[isa-998]

19 hours ago, prot651 said:

Have you bought the game ? 

you cant play the beta unless youve bought it

[Matt_1979]

I’ve noticed the staff screen saying I have empty coaching slots to fill but the breakdown below shows I’ve got 7/7 coaches. 

[dannyfc]

6 minutes ago, Obaaa said:

Because the game generates so many one on ones. Conversion rate has to be low to prevent games being 6-6 every game.

 

I feel like i've read this same comment chain for 13 years now hah.

Would love to spend a day behind the scenes at SIGames to understand how they manipulate all the match engine calculations under the hood to get the outcome they want.

It would be a good wake up call as while I know rationally that AI is incredibly complicated to program, in my very simple head I still think of it as them just tweaking sliders labelled 'ONE ON ONE CONVERSION RATE' and 'FREQUENCY OF LONG-BALLS' 

But yes, lack of central play, tendency to go wide, inability to deal with balls over the top, and poor 1v1 conversion have all been hallmarks of the series for a number of years now so assume it isn't an easy fix. 

[zachalxnder]

2 minutes ago, dannyfc said:

I feel like i've read this same comment chain for 13 years now hah.

Would love to spend a day behind the scenes at SIGames to understand how they manipulate all the match engine calculations under the hood to get the outcome they want.

It would be a good wake up call as while I know rationally that AI is incredibly complicated to program, in my very simple head I still think of it as them just tweaking sliders labelled 'ONE ON ONE CONVERSION RATE' and 'FREQUENCY OF LONG-BALLS' 

But yes, lack of central play, tendency to go wide, inability to deal with balls over the top, and poor 1v1 conversion have all been hallmarks of the series for a number of years now so assume it isn't an easy fix. 

What about player attributes?

[2feet]

Many teams in real life create lots of great chances but fail to convert.

Look at Liverpool vs Forest only this afternoon.

[stevemc]

In preferences, there is something called Render Scale in relation to the match graphics, but it has no explanation with it - it should do really.

And my next question, is what is it?