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Even though I enjoyed Rooney in midfield, it more or less meant we had to move Alli from playing in as the #10 where he's been insane this season.

Don't want him to retire though, still think he's one of our best players. I honestly blame our failure on Hodgson

Alli has also been playing as a CM.he didn't get moved because of Rooney, he got moved because Roy wanted to play 4-3-3 which he has done for some time, even though the squad we picked should have been playing a diamond.

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Alli has also been playing as a CM.he didn't get moved because of Rooney, he got moved because Roy wanted to play 4-3-3 which he has done for some time, even though the squad we picked should have been playing a diamond.

He played as a 10 for Spurs though where he was brilliant.

Like I said, Hodgson was the failure here - he didn't know his best system which meant he took players who didn't suit the one he chose. He took players either out of form or severely unfit and well, the team played shocking.

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Shocking performance and result yet all too predictable. As soon as that 2nd goal went in I had that sense of dread. Just couldn't see us scoring. 70 minutes to put it right. Iceland did amazing but best will in the world we should beat them but you don't have an automatic right to that, got to turn up

Joe Hart again though *sigh* The louder he sings the more erratic he is on the pitch

Is it even worth going over all the stuff we go over after every exit? With the Premier League as it is we will never see a successful national side. There are too many middling overseas players in the league. English players are so damn expensive cause there aren't any of them. Whenever you want quotas the same rubbish comes up about 'OMG Zola, Bergkamp, Aguero' but that's not the issue, the issue and the players making up the squads

There needs to be a focus on youth, these players need a chance and not just Rashford coming in at 18 and being amazing but all the other youth, they need to develop, play top league level football regularly and get better. More coaching too. It's not a quick fix, which is why nothing will happen again. When the Premier League have all the power and FA can't dictate anything to them and these clubs are run as a business then why should they care about bringing youth through? We created this and we repeat the same stuff after every tournament, it's tiresome

Nothing will change here and this will happen again and again and again and again and again

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Exactly, nothing new to be said, I am surprised the reaction on here isn't stronger, think everyone is the same, just *sigh* and continue about your day, which is probably what most of the squad are doing as well

You know what this means though? Back to fans booing England players for our games. A vicious circle as the players become even more fearful and we play even worse and the boos become more. I thought we did quite well to shake that off and get back to an even footing but I can really see that happening again

It doesn't help but how else can fans express their disappointment. Fans don't want to boo, we don't want to be disappointed but we're like a battered wives (OMG you compared football to domestic violence!!1! etc), we keep going back for more

Most countries can only dream of our following, of 60K watching friendlies, the loyalty. It'll all be forgotten soon because there will be some big money, foreign, of course, signings for everyone's premier league clubs, this guy, that guy, this guy and the penny will never drop

I tell you, Quals start soon and we play the Jocks, this is a great time for them to play us!!

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He should have played 4-3-1-2, as the squad he picked insisted, but I get the impression that, having seen the first game and performance, he felt obliged to stick with 4-3-3.

Only out I can give him, because he picked a load of central players and then played wingers. So odd. I thought England looked better in 4-3-1-2 before the tournament anyway. As in, from March onwards

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Whilst Rashford deserves no blame, let's not forget all he did was hit the first man from a cross, hit the first man from a corner then dribble into the box leaving the ball behind.

Sterling was one of our better players. Just whenever he got the ball he had at times two people closing him down and no ****ers apart from Rose would come to give an angle for a pass. Kane stood like a lemon and midfield static.

Just ***** all round.

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The same people saying we should go for a more cohesive team are the same people who were calling Henderson **** whilst making us a more balanced faster moving midfield and wanting Sterling subbed off when he was our only outlet last night to stick on a 3rd striker.

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The same people saying we should go for a more cohesive team are the same people who were calling Henderson **** whilst making us a more balanced faster moving midfield and wanting Sterling subbed off when he was our only outlet last night to stick on a 3rd striker.

At least you can look forward to club football returning! Oh wait. Supporting Charlton and Russell Slade as manager :D :D

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Like I said, Hodgson was the failure here - he didn't know his best system which meant he took players who didn't suit the one he chose. He took players either out of form or severely unfit and well, the team played shocking.

i've been defensive of Hodgson but sadly i think this is the case, he bottled it in the tournament.

we did what was expected in qualifying, nothing more, nothing less but slowly the team was changing and growing into something, we also found a system that suited them, worked and was used against the best teams in friendlies.

come to the tournament and suddenly we have a completely unbalanced squad and a system that seemed to have nothing tactically, nor suited the players in the unbalanced squad.

not saying everything would have been rosy if we had played the 4312 but it was the obvious choice and I don't understand why Roy abandoned it.

i'm sure there will be a massive 'inquest' now. the powers that be will say to us to fix england we need B teams, league 3, EPPP etc oh and by the way, say hi to our new manager Gareth

saying that i hope the fans don't have a meltdown and start booing the team and such, we have some good young players that could do well with a bit of encouragement and a positive approach

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Sterling was one of our better players. Just whenever he got the ball he had at times two people closing him down and no ****ers apart from Rose would come to give an angle for a pass. Kane stood like a lemon and midfield static.

Well Kane seems to be made loads of excuses made for him in the media and after the Wales game it was he wasn't getting the service but yeah I'd say it's the opposite and he just made no runs and was an absolutely dreadful outlet throughout.

Must have created so many more chances with Vardy on the pitch than Kane in the second half against Wales and the Slovakia game.

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At least you can look forward to club football returning! Oh wait. Supporting Charlton and Russell Slade as manager :D :D

Oh dear, hard to brag our tournament performance has made us suicidal and yet we were still able to put the second best team in Europe in their place.

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Greg Dyke should have been on the phone to sack Hodgson before he had chance to resign. Shocking performance from the manager ad the players. Couldn't even defend against Iceland's long throw, just shows that we didn't put the effort in on the training ground. Roy probably thought he could just pick 11 players and win, he underestimated the opposition. Again. He is just an old-fashioned manager who is out of touch with the modern game.

The players were awful too. Rooney just showed why he isn't captain material. You need to be a leader, be able to motivate your team and lead by example. He couldn't even make a simple pass and clearly couldn't get his teammates up for the game. So poor that he was subbed for a rookie. The last few minutes is when you need your captain to stand up but he is not capable of it. The problem is, we don't seem to have anyone else capable of it either. Just a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who showed no desire to win the game whatsoever. We didn't even test their goalie in the entire match.

Fair play to Iceland, they had a gameplan, bullied England all over the pitch and fully deserve the win. I'll be cheering them on for the rest of their tournament.

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Even though I enjoyed Rooney in midfield,

Don't want him to retire though, still think he's one of our best players. I honestly blame our failure on Hodgson

This is why we cant have nice things

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So, does everybody that was of the opposite opinion still think it wasn't an utterly ridiculous and shambolic decision to take Wilshere?

Sturridge and Sterling proving just how bloody good Luis Suarez was too. Sturridge the most selfish footballer I've ever seen and Sterling just has no football brain whatsoever.

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No, I don't think it was stupid to take Wilshere, as he's still our best CM.

It was stupid to take Barkley and not give him a single minute when we're struggling to break teams down mind.

Also stupid to take an excessive amount of central strikers and then use them as wingers. Sturridge is pretty terrible on the wing.

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There was absolutely no reason to take Wilshere, let alone start him/bring him on. He's barely played for the last year. Utterly ridiculous to expect he could offer anything this tournament.

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I still find it hard to understand how people can consider playing somebody that unfit and rusty in a major international tournament was even close to a good idea. I'd say I'm glad they're not England manager but ****ing Roy Hodgson did it anyway :D

You maybe make exceptions for true world class stars, but not Jack ****ing Wilshere ffs!

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So, does everybody that was of the opposite opinion still think it wasn't an utterly ridiculous and shambolic decision to take Wilshere?

Sturridge and Sterling proving just how bloody good Luis Suarez was too. Sturridge the most selfish footballer I've ever seen and Sterling just has no football brain whatsoever.

Not hardly. I feel like a guru as I've ended up calling most things so far for England, only thing I got was that I had Iceland scoring 3 last night :D.

Wilshere, hand to hauled off against Slovakia but he was the man to save the game last night.

As I've said before, it's all so predictable that it wasn't a surprise.

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One thing that made me laugh last night was Hoddle saying our defenders are not used to long throws in the Premier League :D

The league is the breeding ground for that style of football and we got bullied, just like the same defenders do for their clubs. Last night was clearest yet that we lack a leader at the back of the same ilk as JT/Rio/Carragher.

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He should have played 4-3-1-2, as the squad he picked insisted, but I get the impression that, having seen the first game and performance, he felt obliged to stick with 4-3-3.

Only out I can give him, because he picked a load of central players and then played wingers. So odd. I thought England looked better in 4-3-1-2 before the tournament anyway. As in, from March onwards

He was either stupid or cowardly not to adapt his system. It's not like the players where strangers to, or uncomfortable playing a 4-3-1-2. 4 years wasted. England are physical fit, technically adept, mentally weak and tactically inept. We need a manager who can deal with the latter too, and is ruthless enough to toughen then up, because there is a serious inability to handle pressure in this side.

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Big Sam is the man. Qualifying would be **** but you sure as hell would have a shape, he'd drop the big names and it certainly wouldn't look at hopeless as last night...

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The England rugby team really don't get enough praise by the English media, they have an incredibly **** poor tournament but then come back much stronger incredibly quickly....The England football team is about as useful as a wet paper bag incredibly consistently. Suppose there is some consistency I guess?

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The England rugby team really don't get enough praise by the English media, they have an incredibly **** poor tournament but then come back much stronger incredibly quickly....The England football team is about as useful as a wet paper bag incredibly consistently. Suppose there is some consistency I guess?

After the debacle in the World Cup, your team came back and won 10 out of 10, conceding three goals. You were top seeds, and it wasn't that taxing a group, but you did pretty much everything that could be asked of you prior to another tournament.

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Hart and Rooney did last night. Hodgson hasn't shown up anywhere apart from that pisstake of a statement

Rooney saying he will still be available for selection, hopefully the next manager is not stupid enough to pick him

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Rooney is still Englands best player hands down, and has been for a long time, Take Rooney and (your captain) out of the team, i don't think England would as much.

What the hell are you on about :D

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Have any of the players spoke with the media yet?

The gutless ***** seem to be in hiding.

Pictures of them clubbing in Spain and around the pool in Dubai incoming any day now!

Added bonus if one of them is smoking

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Big Sam is the man. Qualifying would be **** but you sure as hell would have a shape, he'd drop the big names and it certainly wouldn't look at hopeless as last night...

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I'd take Big Sam over Gareth Southgate

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Probably injure himself whilst getting drunk and be out for another season. Or come back just in time to make yet another triumphant return as England's saviour for the next World Cup :rolleyes:

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I'm surprised you haven't noticed Dier. Before last night's game I thought he'd been a bit wasteful of possession in attacking positions. But last night he made more incisive passes than Alli or Rooney did.

Thought Rooney was quite good at creating chances for Iceland.

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I know I'm probably not allowed to comment since im Dutch and we are not even there, but that said, how can you make Rooney a CM when he has the first touch and technical skills of an amateur footballer. All balls jump from his feet.. How can you play a passing game with a playmaker like that.

Biggest problem for England was the midfield and playing a formation with wingers without playing wingers.

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