jayahr Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Very interesting to see this poll - https://twitter.com/milesSI/status/369467246638141440 So did you just confirm this on Twitter? Did I understand correctly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted August 19, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted August 19, 2013 Rhazmuz - correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. Sorry, got a little excited.... anyway i vote yes. Please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhazmuz Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Rhazmuz - correct. Cheers Miles! Looking forward to see what you guys come up with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazingSteve Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 As long as it was only like £2-3 max then yeah, I'd buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Now I wonder, will SI take legal action against any 3rd party app which is now a competitor to their own RTE? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Paid download? Really SI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Macklam Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 There again who's to say SI aren't going to hire those 3rd party RTE makers to help make the official one as they have the experience over the years and SI have to knowledge of their database and code etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardanwen Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Depending on the price, I'm probably going to buy it. Depending on the price though. More than €5 and it's going to be a no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I only ever used the RTE to change my club's colours and kit styles. If this feature is in then im all for it. I think this should be an option in the game anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I voted yes, I only use it to update my kits every couple of seasons, so would rather use an official editor to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Would be interesting too see if and how SI will make a screenshot show the official RTE has been used somewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergini Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think I would only use it to change stupid newly build stadium names like "Tottenham Stadium" and "Neymar Stadium" that have popped up in my saves to more of a decent name, I don't see why not though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpmilton Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 From this can we assume the rest of the new features are to be semi announced in poll form? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 A massive step for SI to be honest, and one I couldn't see them doing. Hats off to them if they pull it off, but the comment (and I may be paraphrasing) "Yeah but ours will work" may just come back to bite them come release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benallen002 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 This is fantastic news and I share the sediment that this was an unlikly surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I can see the advantages of it, for those who want to use an RTE - an official supported version is a sensible business decision from SI's POV, if the 150k downloads stat is correct. Those who want to use an RTE are always going to do so, whether official or not, so getting in on a slice of that is a good idea. For me though, there are features which are a higher priority, like the basic editor; the editors are a huge and loyal community, and has been since the early days of Champ Man, and have been neglected (IMO) the last few years with an identikit program with basic functionality that still can't really do what people want it to do. It may be that I'm going to be pleasantly surprised by the feature announcements to come, but I doubt it will have been improved. Personally I'd rather have a deeper, more powerful, but ultimately more user-friendly editor tool than bother with an RTE. Atm the basic version is free with each iteration but if necessary I'd happily pay a couple of quid to have the powerful functionality of the old advanced panels added (and supported) by SI for FM14. The ability to create a working, original, custom league structure to play is far more appealing than magically healing a star player's injury or seeing a youngster's PA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaves Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Sorry for english by google. The reality of education in Brazil makes you go through this time. Could be included some indicator (both in RTE when the pre-editor) to alert if attributes were poorly distributed. Never know how to add AC system does not diminish other attributes, in most cases the system recalculates all up. I know that the calculation of the attributes is a state secret, did not need anything exact, just something to guide changes and avoid issues repeatedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 If I was to buy Football Manager, I love it for the game so an extra 5 pounds wouldn't worry me. It might be a case of if Sigames does this, they could very well increase the amount of sales for fM14. Wise business move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik_Dut Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 SI should pay some royalty to the other beast, or at least recruit thier staff for its their brilliant idea lead to this DLC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althaz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 SI should pay some royalty to the other beast, or at least recruit thier staff for its their brilliant idea lead to this DLC. If that's the case I demand credit for the tactical creator that's been in the last three versions . Also, there were other real-time editors before "that which must not be named" (and they were all free). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will8578 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I voted yes because to be honest i have been cheating for years, i know im a big cheat sorry lol, theres actually a few editors out there and even one that works in classic, i'd pay for official one, keep my cheating backside happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineOne Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Football Manager should be much real as possible. Using an RTE is not much realistic, for that motive I vote No. Except that the editor is a separate product. And the game is first and foremost a game. The whole point is having fun, if people have more fun cheating, then that's what they should do. As a programmer I also see the benefits to having this made in-house. As it exists, whether you want it or not. If you make it yourself though: - you can make money of it - you can make it more stable than any third party ever can - you can actually give support for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 They could buy the existing alternative and then spend som extra resources to increase its quality and stability when used. After that offered out as a DLC for a few Euros on Steam that "division" of SI would be self-sufficient at the very least. It is a necessary tool to fix long-term issues in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineOne Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It is a necessary tool to fix long-term issues in the game. What are those long-term issues then? I'm in 2042 atm and have yet to come across these issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 What are those long-term issues then?I'm in 2042 atm and have yet to come across these issues. * deteriorating 2nd tier quality (i.e non-top teams, top four in England seems to be fine, although I have yet to see them becoming stronger than 1st year) * squad quantity deterioration across the field, but especially in lower leagues * rich teams not spending money * squad imbalances * missing or bloated staff * European competition availability problems and other issues related to lacking home-grown status awareness in the AI * newgen AI manager issues; a) quality and b) lack of tactical variation those are the ones I can remember now. Probably many more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaves Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 * deteriorating 2nd tier quality (i.e non-top teams, top four in England seems to be fine, although I have yet to see them becoming stronger than 1st year)* squad quantity deterioration across the field, but especially in lower leagues * rich teams not spending money * squad imbalances * missing or bloated staff * European competition availability problems and other issues related to lacking home-grown status awareness in the AI * newgen AI manager issues; a) quality and b) lack of tactical variation those are the ones I can remember now. Probably many more. I do not see how some of these problems could be solved with a real time editor (rich forcing teams to spend money, for example), others naturally spend the hard work that few would have the patience to run, unless the SI in surprise and present RTE different from how we know and honestly hope so. English by google Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Chief_ Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 You don't need this editor to play the game, better spend SI's time elsewhere, like adding the leagues of all world champions completely and correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings69 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Please make sure it has the ability to mass edit. I cannot play FM when it gets to all these newgen players. So I edit the players and staff every year via mass edit. ie: All players with potential > 90 and Age 30+ change their age to 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartdude Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 There is some validity to a save game editor as it's not just about "cheating". I have used a third party editor for some years now to update certain parameters particularly player form etc to reflect their real life progress but I do refuse to allow myself unlimited funds etc cos that takes the challenge of the game away ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'd rather they had a running db update, released monthly for a small fee which could keep your game completely up to date. This would be horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltoni Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'd rather they had a running db update, released monthly for a small fee which could keep your game completely up to date. Who's to say that won't happen, what with the micro-transaction and their announcement of charging on the RTE. Maybe in the future they will implement this also, thereby making us pay if we want to get new db updates for our game. I certainly hope it will not come to that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althaz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Who's to say that won't happen, what with the micro-transaction and their announcement of charging on the RTE. Maybe in the future they will implement this also, thereby making us pay if we want to get new db updates for our game. I certainly hope it will not come to that though. That would be AWESOME. I have to assume we'd still get the winter transfer update regardless though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Why would it be a good thing to pay for DB updates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Yeah. That would be horrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Who's to say that won't happen, what with the micro-transaction and their announcement of charging on the RTE. Maybe in the future they will implement this also, thereby making us pay if we want to get new db updates for our game. I certainly hope it will not come to that though. Who is to say that it will happen? Charging for new DB isn't the same as charging for the RTE. But just so we're clear to SI. THAT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE IDEA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIK Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Bumping this thread. It would be nice to know a little bit more about what we'll be able to change with the official RTE. CA/PA, attributes and positions do I see as essentials. Can't see the editor without that. There's however many other things that I usually are using the current unofficial editor for. * Change the name of a player/staff. Can we hope that with an official editor it will be possible to change the name to ANYTHING? Not just existing ones in the database? * Change the city of birth. In the unofficial one it's only possible to change it for players. Maybe now it will be possible for staff too. * One of the things I change the most in the editor are youth ranking for countries. I usually change it before I start the save but sometimes I miss a country or find that some country are over/undervalued in this regard a bit into the game. * A "give work-permit" button maybe? Have SI said anything about what features will be included? Will EVERYTHING from the unofficial one be included plus some extra features? Has they said anything about the price yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonky Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Will EVERYTHING from the unofficial one be included plus some extra features? That's very doubtful. Bear in mind SI's version will be built from scratch. They will probably add the vital features this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Its highly likely that SI have had one of these for a very long time, but they have not wanted to release it. If BARCA can do it, im very sure the guys at SI can do it, infact im sure they helped him to begin with. Thats not taking anything away from the FMRTE maker btw, just saying, SI will have had one of these for as long as they knew it was possible. I'm very surprised they are releasing one, but id imagine it will be restricted compared to FMRTE, they wont let you change things that could prove dangerous, otherwise they will spend a lot of time fixing peoples games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonky Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Its highly likely that SI have had one of these for a very long time, but they have not wanted to release it. If BARCA can do it, im very sure the guys at SI can do it, infact im sure they helped him to begin with. Thats not taking anything away from the FMRTE maker btw, just saying, SI will have had one of these for as long as they knew it was possible. I'm very surprised they are releasing one, but id imagine it will be restricted compared to FMRTE, they wont let you change things that could prove dangerous, otherwise they will spend a lot of time fixing peoples games. BraCa, not BARCA. I thought you were saying Barcelona had developed their own real time editor for FM. I don't think SI helped him. In the response to the announcement he said: An official RTE for FM14 sim mode? Ouch, I didn't see this one coming...I just hope that it won't make FMRTE imposible to use in FM14, and if it does let's pray for it to have all cool features FMRTE has :/ SI are obviously doing this because they believe they can make money from it. Perhaps they will have a base price and then you can purchase unlockables. We'll have to wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Haha my mistake, well pointed out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIK Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 SI are obviously doing this because they believe they can make money from it. Perhaps they will have a base price and then you can purchase unlockables. We'll have to wait and see. I'm very surprised they are releasing one, but id imagine it will be restricted compared to FMRTE, they wont let you change things that could prove dangerous, otherwise they will spend a lot of time fixing peoples games. That's what I'm afraid of. If they make us pay for some cheats (like better economy) in Classic mode, will they just allow us to freely change the economy in their RTE? For example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballManagerBlog Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 You will have to pay for it, but the price is not set yet... It was announced on FM twitter and Miles twitter profile as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias333 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Plenty of Positives and negatives! Wont attempt to list everyone as too many to name. I personal have never used a real time editor. Ill openly admit to using another aladin character named based product but this was on older versions where its results for player sale value were far more accurate. I used it purely for saving time on negotiating back and forth over a players costs. Cheating still in some peoples eyes but my time playing is extremely limited so it helped me. Wasn't interested in who becomes a star and who becomes a Cherno Samba. Just wanted to know a value required to get a bid accepted (roughly). I dont understand why people use real time editors to erase injuries or make people better etc....but end of the day its each to there own no different to me using a different product for finding a players value in past. I can fully understand why people would want a real time editor for other issues though for example. Changing poorly named stadiums etc....superb idea. Cost will be the issue for me. If its £5 or less ill get it. anymore and I cannot justify spending money on it for how much I would use it (if at all). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 That's what I'm afraid of. If they make us pay for some cheats (like better economy) in Classic mode, will they just allow us to freely change the economy in their RTE? For example. Im more meaning they will stop you from editing dangerous things, no matter what. There are some things FMRTE lets you do that SI wont, even for a payment, because one wrong data input can ruin a save game. I still think this is dangerous ground for SI, and could open up a lot of problems, which is why i can only see this being released with restrictions inplace to make it, for want of a better phrase "idiot proof". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Im more meaning they will stop you from editing dangerous things, no matter what. There are some things FMRTE lets you do that SI wont, even for a payment, because one wrong data input can ruin a save game. I still think this is dangerous ground for SI, and could open up a lot of problems, which is why i can only see this being released with restrictions inplace to make it, for want of a better phrase "idiot proof". Yeah, good luck with that SI. I completely agree with you - when it was announced, I can only see it getting them negative press on here. But then most things get them negative press on the forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, good luck with that SI.I completely agree with you - when it was announced, I can only see it getting them negative press on here. But then most things get them negative press on the forums. Yeah it will get hammered, because you will be able to do more with FMRTE, and its possible this one will cost more, but this one will be official and it in theory, should work better than FMRTE. Ive used FMRTE for a long time now, and have on a few occasions ruined saves because of mistakes, i just cant see SI letting people make those mistakes with an official product. A pre game editor is a bit different, you wont lose 4 months of game play using it, FMRTE can, in a second, make your game unfixable. Of course, i could be very wrong and its better than FMRTE, does more, and there are no restrictions, im just throwing out my theories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanksie1975 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 For a couple of quid why not, official > non-official! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neevesc Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yes, because people will use a 3rd party app if they don't, which can & has resulted in corrupting games and crashing FM. If Si create one then these issues can be eliminated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawlore Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm gonna vote no, because by this point, the vote doesn't matter at all. Having never used FMRTE, I honestly don't care hugely either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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