TM Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Costa Rica at least get a point from this and the reason is because Italy the other night weren't that impressive against England who in all honesty were quite unlucky not to get a point from the game Costa Rica on the other hand didn't start too well against Uruguay, grew into the game and then ran out deserved winners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wait, you think England fans don't care if Scotland win, lose or draw including when we play you? Ofcourse we're going to ****ing boo your anthem when you play us and hope you get battered, Christ Virtually everyone I know supports Scotland and Wales when they play, every pub has a token Scot and Welshman which makes it easier. I have to agree though that we probably would be hoping you lose every game if you were any competition to us, it's easy to support you when you are like a little brother. I'd be worried that English people support you because it more than likely means your team is a little crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We know our team is crap, thats not in question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wouldn't say we have a "great" chance, but at the same time it's not as unlikely as people are making out. You'd expect Italy to win tonight, but can see Italy vs Uruguay being a draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sweden are largely terrible bar Ibra though, so they aren't a great example. African teams at the world cup generally demonstrate the lack of influence of a single player when coming up against good teams. Greece have maintained their ranking by beating the teams below them, and losing to the teams above them. They are generally decent (in the grand scheme of things) and tend not to have any dire players, with a reasonable depth but lack any greats. Their major failing is that they are good enough to qualify for these tournaments but struggle against better opposition, hence all the moaning. Rather than just posting their group members each qualifying round, look at their results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleanor_Rigby Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 My point was, if Scotland were as insignificant as our English cousins tell us we are, then I highly doubt there would be as much animosity between both sets of fans as there is. A little bit crap? We're f'n awful. It's only since Strachan's come in have we've played anything resembling football for a good few years. I don't expect it to last either as we tend to do good when there's little or no pressure on us. We accept we're pish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Always funny when English people come up here and are surprised that the Scots don't support them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 My point was, if Scotland were as insignificant as our English cousins tell us we are, then I highly doubt there would be as much animosity between both sets of fans as there is. A little bit crap? We're f'n awful. It's only since Strachan's come in have we've played anything resembling football for a good few years. I don't expect it to last either as we tend to do good when there's little or no pressure on us. We accept we're pish. I don't think anyone suggests Scotland is insignificant. You're still a neighbouring nation with a history of hating the English so we're bound to have some animosity. It's just that we're far more significant to you than you are to us that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 surprised Lineker's attire hasn't ignited this thread again? I'd expect it from Chiles but Lineker is somebody I'd expect to be professional about his job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Anyone but Chiles. That would be a better thread. The Toby Jug Full of Hot Urine as Stewart Lee describes him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Lineker supporting the team that gives one of the home nations a chance to go thorugh is an issue now? not really an issue, maybe if some others got in we could see less England bias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sweden are largely terrible bar Ibra though, so they aren't a great example. African teams at the world cup generally demonstrate the lack of influence of a single player when coming up against good teams.Greece have maintained their ranking by beating the teams below them, and losing to the teams above them. They are generally decent (in the grand scheme of things) and tend not to have any dire players, with a reasonable depth but lack any greats. Their major failing is that they are good enough to qualify for these tournaments but struggle against better opposition, hence all the moaning. Rather than just posting their group members each qualifying round, look at their results. Smaller teams want to be in higher pots, they have to go out and beat better teams than them who are in that position. Sounds fair to me. I don't see the issue with the seeding system. Sure you sometimes benefit if you're a bit lucky with the group you get in, but in my view the teams that get a lower rated pot 1 team in their group should be looking at them and say "We could potentially qualify here." When they do then they'll be eventually in the top pots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Lineker supporting the team that gives one of the home nations a chance to go thorugh is an issue now? not really an issue, maybe if some others got in we could see less England bias. Anything the English do to be support the English is a terrible affront to the rest of the UK you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Win against the smallest side, the weakest side of the group. The supposed whipping boys who were there for teams to flex muscles and score goals against. Yes, you have a great chance. With all due respect to Costa Rica, they have nowhere near the quality of England. You win and you're through is basically your scenario. Great maybe exaggerated, but you do have a very good chance to qualify.We have A chance, not a good one, not a great one, just a chance. In isolation the results needed are not beyond the realms of possibility but if Italy win today, then they know they only need a point to win the group, Uruguay will sit on a point to go through especially if news come through that we're winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 what annoys me about the pots is you got groups with a bunch of average/dire teams and groups with high ranked teams, Iran-Nigeria, Greece-Japan etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 what annoys me about the pots is you got groups with a bunch of average/dire teams and groups with high ranked teams, Iran-Nigeria, Greece-Japan etcYou mean like England's group last WC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We have A chance, not a good one, not a great one, just a chance. In isolation the results needed are not beyond the realms of possibility but if Italy win today, then they know they only need a point to win the group, Uruguay will sit on a point to go through especially if news come through that we're winning. On the other hand, Italy would probably prefer us to go through on account of the fact that we're more rubbish than the other two teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebirds4life Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Except we are natural rivals, because both of our nations are the pioneers of football. Our history goes back further than any other nation and our rivalry goes with that history. The first teams to play football and the first teams to develop a rivalry over football (with each other, obviously).Perhaps a more appropriate comparison of teams would be that England and Scotland are a bit like Manchester United and Manchester City (pre-billionaire takeover). One is massive, generally speaking successful (not that you have anything to show for it bar one trophy almost 60 years ago) and the other used to be able to compete at the same level but has since fallen far and can't compete to the same degree anymore. There's still a bitter resentment from each side towards the other, though. As I've said a couple times now - I don't hate England. If you guys do well I'll be happy for the fans. I don't believe I've made any serious wind up posts in here... well, not until people started bringing up Scotland. And then I only react because it's tit for tat. It's still not entirely serious. I've taken this thread as a laugh and I think most have, except it would seem milnerpoint and perhaps bluebirds a couple pages ago Pardon? Been great fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 1-0 CR at halftime just time for a quick verse. 'They're going home, they're going home, they're going, Engerland's going home' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I am not expecting anything from Italy in this game or the next. We're already out even before this game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 1-0 CR at halftime just time for a quick verse.'Their going home, their going home, their going, Engerland's going home' they're* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 they're* Oppps. In too much of a hurry there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 "At least we qualified, At least we qualified!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 "At least we qualified, At least we qualified!" Lol. Indeed you did, I bet that makes you feel really good watching this Italy-Costa Rica game right now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Let's not pretend you wouldn't take three defeats if it meant seeing Scotland in the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Let's not pretend you wouldn't take three defeats if it meant seeing Scotland in the tournament I see you are confident looking ahead to the game against Costa Rica then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Got to hand it to England, they went there with little hope and still managed to turn it into an unmitigated disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengedragon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Home before the postcards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Got to hand it to England, they went there with little hope and still managed to turn it into an unmitigated disaster. Haha!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Gary has changed his shirt plonker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Got to hand it to England, they went there with little hope and still managed to turn it into an unmitigated disaster. /endthread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 At least we have a reasonable chance of being in a position to do even worse next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 lasted longer than spain, great success imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 sad montages despite the fact they've done this since I've been watching World Cups which is about 25 years? surely they must get used to it at some point, the team or the system to make that team simply isn't good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 don't believe the results mates. england is a powerhouse nation. their reputation alone will carry them over a diddy country from a diddy fed like costa rica. I mean, did costa rica face a gauntlet of fearsome qualifying opponents like montenegro, moldova and san marino? no, they did not. 0 english points are worth more than 6 costa rican points. that's just math. uefa! uefa! uefa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Oooh the bitterness because the us are in that "diddy fed" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 yeah mate... last two days have me bitterly grinning from ear to ear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 concacaf - 13 points uefa - 26 we are two times better than concacaf and that's a rafa fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 can't argue with that maybe we can do a points per capita discussion like the tv ratings/audience in one of the other threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUNGSTEVE Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 concacaf - 13 pointsuefa - 26 we are two times better than concacaf and that's a rafa fact. Considering UEFA have many more teams than Concacaf, so they should do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Actually biting to that pts tally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 England's on the plane home, I'm going ABF. Anyone but France as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It's just that we're far more significant to you than you are to us that's all. So why so much foaming and indignance when we have a wee giggle at England's continuing ineptitude? Tbh, the 'well Scotland are sh*te anyway' defence is just hilarious. 1. Goading a people who are as comfortable with deriding their own nation doesn't really work as a bait. 2. Comparatively speaking, money and population wise, England are even bigger wasters and perpetual under-achievers than Scotland. So again, why do so many Englanders throw the toys out of the pram when we have a bit of a gloat if they genuinely don't care about an insignificant diddy country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 England's on the plane home, I'm going ABF. Anyone but France as always.Ehh, they've still got to get beaten by Costa Rica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 yeah mate... last two days have me bitterly grinning from ear to ear Give it a few more days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Give it a few more days. will roy still be england manager in a few more days? think I'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleanor_Rigby Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Talking about bitterness, anyone watching Chiles? "its France v Switzerland the 2 top teams in the unbelievably easy group E". Uruguay were supposed to be **** and Costa who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sned Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Already seen people pulling in their England flags from the window, chucking plastic flags in the bin, taking all the England stuff off their cars... Absolutely LOVE this part of an England knockout at a major tournament :************) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So why so much foaming and indignance when we have a wee giggle at England's continuing ineptitude?Tbh, the 'well Scotland are sh*te anyway' defence is just hilarious. 1. Goading a people who are as comfortable with deriding their own nation doesn't really work as a bait. 2. Comparatively speaking, money and population wise, England are even bigger wasters and perpetual under-achievers than Scotland. So again, why do so many Englanders throw the toys out of the pram when we have a bit of a gloat if they genuinely don't care about an insignificant diddy country? You know as well as I do that I so have the upper hand here. I only have to call you a Nationalist to get you PMing me bleating. I'm not in the least bit bothered by the Scots gloating. I don't blame them in the slightest. I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleanor_Rigby Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So why so much foaming and indignance when we have a wee giggle at England's continuing ineptitude?Tbh, the 'well Scotland are sh*te anyway' defence is just hilarious. 1. Goading a people who are as comfortable with deriding their own nation doesn't really work as a bait. 2. Comparatively speaking, money and population wise, England are even bigger wasters and perpetual under-achievers than Scotland. So again, why do so many Englanders throw the toys out of the pram when we have a bit of a gloat if they genuinely don't care about an insignificant diddy country? I've never met any Scot who says we aren't pish. In fact, we've probably said worse about our national team than anything the English can throw at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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