Jump to content
Sports Interactive Community
Readingfanman

Round of 16: Colombia v England (19:00 BST ITV1)

Recommended Posts

Is Alli still carrying an injury or is he just in poor form (or both)?

Thought he was poor again last night and the worry is he’s one of the manager’s favourites so is going to be shoehorned in wherever possible. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Tony85 said:

That's just not true though is it? Created plenty against Tunisia in the first-half but didn't take them. Scored 6 against Panama. Some were set-pieces and penalties but we did create chances. Don't think Belgium is worth talking about because of the changes both sides made. Last night was difficult because Colombia turned it into a battle rather than a game of football. I think the amount of chances overall is about the same as any of the other sides left in the competition.

So we have first half against Tunisia? Panama is actually less worth taking about than Belgium, because anyone could create chances against amateurs.

Open play chances is a clear issue

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rose and RLC in for Young and Alli next game for me. I’d even put Rashford in for Lingard because Lingard looked dead on his feet in extra time and need some fresh legs up there if Sterling/Kane start. Think considering Sweden are not exactly pace mechants, if Walker isn’t fully fit I could see him benched for Cahil.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Harryseaess said:

Why did Vardy and Lingard not take a pen? Especially Vardy.

The 5 who took them must be better than those 2 ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Barry Cartman said:

The 5 who took them must be better than those 2 ?

Vardy takes them for Leicester doesn't he? Surely they're better than Dier.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Constantine said:

I was one of the skeptics here, as i was still awed with Colombia's performance vs Poland. But it seems that one player for them makes a huge difference. With James, they would've been much more dangerous. Anyhow, England deserve kudos for their win tonight. You guys didn't play great, conceded a 93. minute goal and yet still won at the end. It takes a mentality of a champion to be able to do that. Still has some bits of doubt, as you are yet to score from open play but mentally, you seem in the right place. With a little luck, who know. It might really come home. 

Poland were absolutely woeful. They couldn't defend in a straight line and left Colombia all sorts of space. This idea that James would have taken England apart is well overblown because of that. They made cuadrado look like a world beater yet he spent all game in Young's pocket. He actually had to switch position to get in the game. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Astafjevs said:

So we have first half against Tunisia? Panama is actually less worth taking about than Belgium, because anyone could create chances against amateurs.

Open play chances is a clear issue

OK fine disgard Panama as well. The point still stands - there were enough chances in the Tunisia game to have scored about 5 goals. Who cares whether it was spread across one-half or the full-game? It was enough to say that we created a decent amount of chances in that game. Especially when Tunisia's aim was to play for a draw.

Last night most teams would probably have struggled to create with the kind of game Colombia wanted to make it. Saying that England are any worse than other sides at creating chances is wrong when the sample size of games is so small.

But it's nice you've moved on to criticising their attack. A few games ago it was their defense and how Colombia / any other good attacking side would rip it apart.

Edited by Tony85

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Poland were absolutely woeful. They couldn't defend in a straight line and left Colombia all sorts of space. This idea that James would have taken England apart is well overblown because of that. They made cuadrado look like a world beater yet he spent all game in Young's pocket. He actually had to switch position to get in the game. 

Its like those saying they'd have beaten Japan had they not been down to 10 men, despite the fact that they went down to 10 men because their player stopped a goal with his arm 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Harryseaess said:

Why did Vardy and Lingard not take a pen? Especially Vardy.

The 5 who took penalties all took good penalties so not sure what the issue here is?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Harryseaess said:

Why did Vardy and Lingard not take a pen? Especially Vardy.

Isn't it the case that players can say whether they want to take one or not? People often say these things are decided on forehand but I think it's not that set in stone. In the end it's more about confidence than quality. You can have a player with the most perfect kick, but if he isn't confident it's better to let someone else have a go. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

The 5 who took penalties all took good penalties so not sure what the issue here is?

Did you see Dier's penalty? Yeah it went in, it's coming home, etc, but **** me that was a bad pen. Ospina ****ed up.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, Wiggins' Young Boys said:

not reading through 28 pages so probably already been said, but a pretty poor game all round

i was beginning to think I was the only one who could watch a game of football objectively. You'd have thought Kane is Pele if you read the 28 pages...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Andrew_ said:

Did you see Dier's penalty? Yeah it went in, it's coming home, etc, but **** me that was a bad pen. Ospina ****ed up.

Who cares? We won, its coming home :cool:

PS. I'm sure the team will be looking at stuff like that, just enjoy it fgs :D 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It was hard, low and to the side, really tricky for the keeper to get a strong hand on it. Especially when it's a small bloke like Ospina :D 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

The 5 who took penalties all took good penalties so not sure what the issue here is?

Dier's was an awful penalty.

8 minutes ago, Cedrik said:

Isn't it the case that players can say whether they want to take one or not? People often say these things are decided on forehand but I think it's not that set in stone. In the end it's more about confidence than quality. You can have a player with the most perfect kick, but if he isn't confident it's better to let someone else have a go. 

Yeah, probably. I'm just amazed a penalty taker for his club refuses to take a penalty. Bottler.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Harryseaess said:

Yeah, probably. I'm just amazed a penalty taker for his club refuses to take a penalty. Bottler.

It was a surprise, but I have no qualms about that sort of stuff. If you don't fancy one you don't fancy one, fair play to him for being honest rather than stepping up because he felt he had to and missing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only poor England penalty was Henderson's, simply because he missed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Vardy did the right thing by not taking one. I think his head has gone. He's not had the best of performances the last few games and that will have been playing on his mind.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

U could argue that a penalty that went in is a good penalty.

But if we are talking about the art of taking a good penalty, the one Dier took was bad. The fact that the keeper still had a touch to it says enough about the penalty. A good penalty is impossible to save. Ask Alan Shearer. :) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

i was beginning to think I was the only one who could watch a game of football objectively. You'd have thought Kane is Pele if you read the 28 pages...

Well Kane now has 6 goals at the World Cup, equalling Pele's best ever effort in 1958.......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, Tony85 said:

OK fine disgard Panama as well. The point still stands - there were enough chances in the Tunisia game to have scored about 5 goals. Who cares whether it was spread across one-half or the full-game? It was enough to say that we created a decent amount of chances in that game. Especially when Tunisia's aim was to play for a draw.

Last night most teams would probably have struggled to create with the kind of game Colombia wanted to make it. Saying that England are any worse than other sides at creating chances is wrong when the sample size of games is so small.

But it's nice you've moved on to criticising their attack. A few games ago it was their defense and how Colombia / any other good attacking side would rip it apart.

I didn't say that at all. At least get the user correct.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Lucas Weatherby said:

Who cares? We won, its coming home :cool:

PS. I'm sure the team will be looking at stuff like that, just enjoy it fgs :D 

Can't do both ofc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Andrew_ said:

Can't do both ofc.

Believe!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Well Kane now has 6 goals at the World Cup, equalling Pele's best ever effort in 1958.......

yeah but I look at how the goals are scored, and the performance. Not stats! 3 Pens, 2 tap ins off set piece and a fluke of the back of his heel he knew nothing about.

Spent the rest of the game immobile on the left wing or half way line, letting Sterling who hasn't scored in 4423786238764 minutes for England play the 9 role. Every throw in Kane is playing donkey down the line while Sterling occupies the middle ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rckmjp41fs4

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said:

Blame commentator for Henderson missing. Jinxed him by saying he scored a pen against Ospina last season. Straight away you just knew he would then miss :D 

Martin Tyler said the same thing on the coverage over here. I immediately felt a sense of dread. :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

yeah but I look at how the goals are scored, and the performance. Not stats! 3 Pens, 2 tap ins off set piece and a fluke of the back of his heel he knew nothing about.

Spent the rest of the game immobile on the left wing or half way line, letting Sterling who hasn't scored in 4423786238764 minutes for England play the 9 role. Every throw in Kane is playing donkey down the line while Sterling occupies the middle ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rckmjp41fs4

 

Wow yeah you're right, those goals are incredible and not at all full of **** defending and goalkeeping :D 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said:

Wow yeah you're right, those goals are incredible and not at all full of **** defending and goalkeeping :D 

at least he is in control of his body and knows he has the ball and intentionally has a shot :D 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vardy has taken 13 penalties for Leicester, scoring 11 and missing 2 

It seems like he was injured, he's pictured holding his groin in the celebrations 

Jamie-Vardy-1405995.jpg?r=1530682822137

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Barry Cartman said:

Vardy has taken 13 penalties for Leicester, scoring 11 and missing 2 

It seems like he was injured, he's pictured holding his groin in the celebrations 

Jamie-Vardy-1405995.jpg?r=1530682822137

Couple of radio stations running with him having a groin tear/strain.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What a night!

Dier's was a bad pen, he seems a strange character to me (bit too laid back maybe?), didn't really like him taking a pen :D

We've got to improve. Delighted to have got through but how many shots on target did we have other than the pen? The lack of care Alli is showing with the ball is amazing me, tbh. Wonder what his pass completion/ball retention stats were last night.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, bestbrother said:

On Talksport they said Vardy refused to be part of the 5.

 

"Refused" :rolleyes:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Vardy has taken 13 penalties for Leicester, scoring 11 and missing 2 

It seems like he was injured, he's pictured holding his groin in the celebrations 

Jamie-Vardy-1405995.jpg?r=1530682822137

Maybe he was a bit too excited?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, robterrace said:

Couple of radio stations running with him having a groin tear/strain.

Yeah him and Lingard both have knocks, nothing to do with bottling it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, Weezer said:

WE'VE WON THE ****ING WORLD CUP!!!!!

How? England made it through the Ro16 against opponents they probably should have comfortably won against without extra time/penalties lol. Overreaction much?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

at least he is in control of his body and knows he has the ball and intentionally has a shot :D 

1 more goal at this World Cup and Kane is officially better than Pele 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Barry Cartman said:

1 more goal at this World Cup and Kane is officially better than Pele 

:D 

troll.JPG.8285628cd8488ecf149d2b6f7f24b440.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Incredible stat from last night I have just seen.

 

Jordan Pickford ran only 200M less than Messi did in their equivalent R of 16 games.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, RedNomad said:

How? England made it through the Ro16 against opponents they probably should have comfortably won against without extra time/penalties lol. Overreaction much?

And yet the other day you were one of those claiming Colombia would easily beat us, now we should have won comfortably? 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Readingfanman said:

Incredible stat from last night I have just seen.

 

Jordan Pickford ran only 200M less than Messi did in their equivalent R of 16 games.

Because of the extra time, this is true.

If you do a proper like-for-like comparison, Messi ran considerably more, as you'd expect.

Messi - 7,675m

Pickford - 5,707m (over 90 minutes)

Edited by Astafjevs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is a concern that we’ve not scored any goals (other than Lingard’s beauty and the fluke for Kane’s hat trick) that haven’t been from set pieces.

That said, Alli missed a glorious headed chance but again that was from a cross. We don’t really have any creativity in the middle - Alli is clearly injured, Sterling is just rubbish if he has to think and Lingard doesn’t have enough influence on things. Henderson not creative either.

Can we win it with dangerous crosses and set pieces as our main weapon? Stranger things have happened but I think we’d really struggle against France or a full strength Belgium (if they get past Uruguay/Brazil). I actually think we’d have a better chance against Brazil than any of those four.

It'd be fantastic to get to the final though, and anything can happen in one game. 🤞

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Readingfanman said:

Incredible stat from last night I have just seen.

 

Jordan Pickford ran only 200M less than Messi did in their equivalent R of 16 games.

He also played 30 minutes more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, RedNomad said:

How? England made it through the Ro16 against opponents they probably should have comfortably won against without extra time/penalties lol. Overreaction much?

I think he was joking 🙄

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

Mahrez takes them for Leicester, not Vardy... for what it's worth.

No. Vardy is the main penalty taker now.

Seems he has a groin issue which isn't the best when you're a guy who tends to smash their pens.

An glad in a way as would have been slightly disappointed had he chosen not to step up for other reasons. Regular penalty takers at club level should be taking them.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Marc.Foster050 said:

Yeah him and Lingard both have knocks, nothing to do with bottling it.

Even if they were bottling it, credits for not taking one :). I think it's better to be clear about that and just say no than 'taking your responsibility' whilst not feeling confident. 

1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said:

1 more goal at this World Cup and Kane is officially better than Pele 

Tbh, and this is probably going to **** a lot of English people off, I don't think Kane is that impressive this WC so far. Also expected more from him last night. So far his goals are three penalties, one deflected shot that accidentally hit his leg and two tap-ins against Tunisia from close range. Nothing against Kane btw, think he is a great player and also comes across as a likeable character, but feel his goals so far can be put into perspective. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...