Mr Adam Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Mr Adam is turning into MLG /o\ Adam Cattergod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He's just specific to Cattermole though I don't mind him tbh and he's as much right to be near a squad as Colback I'm only playing the reverse role of the idiots who won't even consider him yet haven't seen him play for a few years and have developed an opinion based on media hyperbole Any Sunderland fan would have told you BEFORE Colback moved that Cattermole was twice as effective as Colback AND in a position england actually need rather than ANOTHER player who's sole purpose is possession. This is nothing against Colback who is a great little player, Cattermole is just much more important to a team. He's the kind of player who people will scoff at until he's more or less singlehandedly kept their team in the top flight. Our form under PDC and Cattermoles absence as such are pretty clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 We have these group games coming up against the likes of San Marino. I think this is the perfect time to play 7 or 8 of the first team and then try some fringe players out or players we want to take a look at Cattermole, give Fraser Forster a cap, Luke Shaw can start and so on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Danny Ings.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Not entirely sure what we'll learn from Catermole or Forster against the likes of San Marino ffs If anything it's best to get the likes of Wilshere etc continually playing together. Squad for majority of qualifiers would expect to be injury free (hopefully). Gk: Hart, Forster, Foster Def: Shaw, Baines, Clyne, Walker, Jones, Stones, Cahil, Chambers/Jags Mf: Wilshere, Henderson, Milner, Delph, Ox, Barkley, Lallana, Sterling, St: Rooney, Sturridge, Walcott, Welbeck, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Well, we'll learn as much or more than them playing together in a friendly. It's a full international cap, the game does matter and it's 1, 2 or 3 players playing alongside the core group They'll be nothing in such a group game that will do much for Wilshere that kicks on to the next, tougher internationals Problem is during friendlies the newcomers don't really get to play with the core first team, they tend to all sort of be jumbled in together. At least in a meaningful game they will get to play with the players they would actually play with in another international Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 For some of these players to get a look in their position is going to have to be decimated by injuries to stand a chance. Ings for example or any new striker would need 3 of the attackers to be injured to get a chance, as I'd fancy Lambert/Rodriguez if both fit to be ahead of them coming into the squad. Can't just turn around for a double header and go to one of the four I picked if all fit, sorry not picked as want to see Ings. They'd be pissed off (assuming they care about playing for England). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 We've had senior players not used in friendlies before, not even in the squad It's called management, you explain to them what the situation is, they're not gonna be threatened cause they didn't play against San Marino. Just say 'we're taking a look at whoever' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom14 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Just read a great stat that only 17 English players have been registered for this seasons Champions League. That's only 1 more than Belorussians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Talk that Hodgson's considering calling up Tyler Blackett has upset a few people. My thoughts on this: why the hell not? It's a pair of nothing games against the bottom two seeds (OK Estonia can be good but they've been bobbins of late) and the kid's obviously got potential, if he turns out to be great he can be a useful player but at this point, Jamaica will almost certainly be waiting in the wings ready to call him up and we've done worse with Wilfried Zaha's call up to stop him picking Cote d'Ivoire. The only question is why he hasn't done the same with Eric Dier yet as Portugal are known to want him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Exactly. Because Dier in my view at least is a distance ahead of Blackett. Just because hes playing for United that he suddenly is considered for a call up. We're 12th ffs, and Blackett wasnt doing wonders either. I've been on the Clyne bandwagon for about a year now yet Chambers gets a call up because he just signed with Arsenal. Colback's call up, although I rate him, is a total mystery to me. I can go on about the England selection and Hodgson for paragraphs so I'll just stop here. I don't know why I care so much, I'm not even English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 He should call up Nathan Clyne and Eric Dier before even considering Tyler Blackett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Well I can still see the logic by it anyway. Use a nothing game where you can win with League Two players in order to get them some experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Blackett is awful is he not? No reason to call him up at all, sorry wands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Well it's against San Marino. Why complain about any callups from any of the top 4 divisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Blackett is awful is he not? No reason to call him up at all, sorry wands No . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 He's been awful this season. If it was a senior defender playing the way he has been he'd be ridiculed. Might have potential, but he hasn't shown much so far in his senior games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Only because he's at Man Utd. If he turned in the performances he has so far for a lesser side (bottom half) he'd be absolutely no where near the squad. Example, Caulker. If he was at a top side he'd be a regular in that squad. Likewise Shawcross even though he didn't impress the game against Sweden but I'd be willing to give him another try as he has looked to improve some more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Like Nathan Baker...oh...actually, no. He's still ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Is Caulker left footed? Because that's why Blackett is being looked at. Should call up Dier too IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Well it is ****in San Marino and Phil Jones and Chris Smalling are currently injured so a backup right back could be found in Dier. Could call up Blackett too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Just read a great stat that only 17 English players have been registered for this seasons Champions League. That's only 1 more than Belorussians. Yeah, heard that too but hey, there's no problem with English football ... everything is all OK!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 San Marino is exactly the type game where we can tweak the line up and give full caps to players on the up to play alongside the established core. I'd have Dier and Clyne in the squad, Clyne regardless of injuries right now. I'd start Clyne even at right back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 If England are so desperate for a right back why not just give Micah another shot? Up until the start of last season he was the best English right back around and despite his injuries, he hasn't suddenly regressed into a heap of *****. He's still a very good defender. Hopefully he gets fit and stays fit with Fiorentina. Although I'm not sure how much (if any) notice he will get from Hodgson being in Florence... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Maybe because Micah rejected to be a backup player for Euro2012 that lead to Martin Kelly getting into the squad that Hodgson wont want to call him again. But if Wio got another chance then why not Micah I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 We got Clyne anyway, he plays regularly in the Prem in a good side (yeah, I said it ) and is a good performer. Worth a look Could well be Chambers that plays there against San Marino if we're giving a younger player a shot in a big boys game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Maybe because Micah rejected to be a backup player for Euro2012 that lead to Martin Kelly getting into the squad that Hodgson wont want to call him again. But if Wio got another chance then why not Micah I guess. Micah's never had a fair chance in the England squad. For years he was the best RB you guys had and Capello just ignored him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Capello didn't get on with him, said he couldn't follow instructions. Prior to Capello coming in he was doing fine though. Not sure what the truth is or how frustrated Capello was and how fair that was or how hardline he was but Richards never got a look in since then I think we missed something with him He was a centre back really though, I think but never got to play there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 It won't help that he had a little pop at Hodgson in a interview last week: Richards has 13 England caps but he does not envisage any way back into Roy Hodgson’s thinking. That boat sailed when Hodgson overlooked him for Euro 2012 and Richards was so upset he did not want to go on the standby list. Hodgson has never considered him since and Richards is convinced that “until he’s gone I don’t see myself getting in.”But what if Gazzetta dello Sport is giving him nine out of 10 every week and Fiorentina are having another strong season, would he expect Hodgson to come over to watch him? “No chance,” he says. “Has he even been to Swansea? The England manager should be going around every ground but I read he hadn’t even been to Swansea.” He is talking about Nathan Dyer. “I’ve played with him at under-19s, I know him really well and I’ve talked to him. He’s gutted. It’s a pleasure to play for your country, an honour, but then you see players who are not performing well and not getting picked on merit but because they are his players.” Richards also wonders if Hodgson is guilty of double standards when Ben Foster “can retire for a year then ‘if you want to come back in, here you go, feel free, even though there are other keepers.’” To clarify, he is laughing as he says that, and it is without malice. But he does have a serious point. “He [Foster] is one of Hodgson’s players, isn’t he? He had him at West Brom and every manager has his favourites, so there is no point moaning or being upset about it. The only thing that hurt me was 2011-12 was my best season. Kyle Walker had broken his toe and I thought – and the majority of people thought – I would be the right choice if I could win the league and potentially win player of the year at City, maybe the hardest squad in the league to do that. I’ve dealt with it now but at the time it was tough.” Tuscany, they say, is the birthplace of the Renaissance. Richards is hoping for one of his own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Players are thick How hard is it to just say 'I'd like to think my performances speak for themself and if I play well I will attract Hodgson's attention' ... it's simple. An agent can seemingly get them a new deal but they can't advise them on not being a total idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Tbh if I was Richards after the season I had that time and see Stewart Downing and Glen Johnson getting in the squad ahead of me after the season they had, I would be livid as well. Hodgson has some real fetish for Glen doesnt he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 He's just been the established right-back and part of a Liverpool team that did very well It's up to someone else to come along and dislodge him. Can't see him picking Johnson right now. Is he injured or just out the team anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Good news, Sturridge could be back fit by the weekend. Bad news, he won't be fit in a week's time. Sturridge has missed five matches with the problem but may be involved in Saturday's home Premier League match with West Bromwich Albion. Rodgers insisted that did not mean Sturridge would be able to play a part in England's qualifiers with San Marino on 9 October and three days later against Estonia. "He won't be fit to play for England whether he's available for the weekend or not," he said. "I don't think he's fit to play for England. We're hoping he can develop over the next 48 hours to be in a position to train with the team on Thursday and maybe be available for the squad on Saturday." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 They are easy games and we played well without him last time so I don't see us kicking up a fuss but that first quote makes no sense. Awaits some Liverpool fan to quickly jump in and explain how it makes perfect sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I notice all the club manager posturing in the press this week England need to take care with Sturridge and Costa needs a break from Spain to recover fully. How delightfully predictable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Rodgers is a disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm sure Hodgson will jump at the chance to do Liverpool a favour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 They were so nice to him after all I think these kind of games against the likes of San Marino are the perfect opportunity to rest completely a couple of first team players so Sturridge sitting out wouldn't be a bad idea but it's up to Hodgson. Welbeck could start and Rooney even seeing as he's suspended for United so Sturridge can really have that time off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 After Welbecks goals in the last game and Rooney being captain, does sturridge even get in the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Still boils my **** that representing your country is more of a distraction than an honour. Clubs need another slapping down when it comes to their power over selection of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Still boils my **** that representing your country is more of a distraction than an honour. Clubs need another slapping down when it comes to their power over selection of players. For me it would be simple here, play Welbeck and Rooney (or x player if we change formation). If they do well then when Sturridge returns he will be on the bench, and will have to earn his way back in. We have a squad for a reason, its time England actually put that to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think when all fit and available Woy won't be able to resist shoehorning all three of them into the starting XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Still boils my **** that representing your country is more of a distraction than an honour. Clubs need another slapping down when it comes to their power over selection of players. Eh? Clubs have absolutely no power. If a country wants to call up a player they can, no matter what the club thinks of their fitness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yes but in reality there has to be relationship building between club and country and an element of trust sometimes on things like 'Sturridge isn't ready' rather than 'well, let's examine him ourselves shall we and see for sure' Still boils my **** that representing your country is more of a distraction than an honour. Clubs need another slapping down when it comes to their power over selection of players. I think this is definitely more from clubs and fans, in particular. Not sure it transfers to players as much as some fans may believe There are, of course, strategic pulls out, I am sure. Some players turn up and play, no fuss. Ashley Cole, for instance, always turned up and played. Rarely had 'doubts' he'd make a squad despite playing week in, week out for Chelsea. Beckham too, of course. I have to say generally Rooney doesn't pull out either (tee hee, that's what she said) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Eh? Clubs have absolutely no power. If a country wants to call up a player they can, no matter what the club thinks of their fitness. I think you are a tad naive if you think it is that clear cut. Of course the clubs have influence, especially over the player themselves. Other countries will have players playing through bigger pain barriers and with no thought of consequences to represent their country. We have a culture that encourages players to have one eye on the next league fixture after an international. And that is largely influenced by the clubs themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think you are a tad naive if you think it is that clear cut.Of course the clubs have influence, especially over the player themselves. Other countries will have players playing through bigger pain barriers and with no thought of consequences to represent their country. We have a culture that encourages players to have one eye on the next league fixture after an international. And that is largely influenced by the clubs themselves. That's nonsense though. You're talking about a country that ignores training instructions from clubs, when they're best placed to know how to manage their own players. You're also talking about a country that's made players who are clearly injured join up with the national squad to be assessed by the country's own physios. Which they're entitled to do, but is hardly the action of a country who cares about what individual clubs think. My own point of view is that I think that countries have far, far too much power when it comes to selection. It's a bit backwards in the current era that a club has absolutely no say in how they're own players are used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Nah . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's a bit backwards in the current era that a club has absolutely no say in how they're own players are used. Clubs more often then not (mainly the big clubs) in friendlies tell the national team for so and so only to play x amount of minutes. In my view no club should be allowed to do that yet it still happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Clubs more often then not (mainly the big clubs) in friendlies tell the national team for so and so only to play x amount of minutes.In my view no club should be allowed to do that yet it still happens. I don't really agree with that either to be honest. That's not what I'm against, it's things like dinosaur international managers playing injured players to "test their resolve" or not following training instructions for individual players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Dont need Danny Sturridge for these two games. Play the second XI against San Marino, no point in putting out the strongest squad in that game then put the team that played Switzerland out against Estonia. Might aswell use Tyler Blackett, Eric Dier, Saido Berahino, whoever else is impressing in the Premier League for the San Marino game. Or in Blackett's case, whoever Hodgson fancies calling up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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