Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Was an OG weren't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Impressive perfomance yet again from England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Shame that, was hoping for Townsend to come on and score the winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Has anyone else actually turned up though?He's not had a great game (has anyone?). But he's pitched up and given us 3 points as it stands, which is kind of his job... The problem is that he's "undroppable" - so noone else does get a chance in his role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Rooney has been gifted chance after chance to be fair to others, yet he is the one that messed them all up, he's by far the worst today against 10 man Estonia. Actually Chambers has been the worst (though not really here or there), but as it stands Rooney is the one who has given us three points. It's not like everyone has been playing well bar him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 We could be playing 9 and it wouldn't make a difference. Nothing Woy can do about us being ****. There's a lot Woy could do. You don't actually believe that, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The problem is that he's "undroppable" - so noone else does get a chance in his role. Like who exactly? Sturridge (injured) or Lambert (in even worse form)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So Rooney stays on purely because of that FK? :confused: Hodgson has no idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Like what's even the point of Lambert in an England shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madchester Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I guess we all expect more from Rooney and that's why his poor performance stands out more than everyone else. England as a team have been very poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Like who exactly? Sturridge (injured) or Lambert (in even worse form)? Yes - someone like Lambert should be given a proper go. Or Welbeck centrally. Or any number of other options showing a tiny bit of original thought or imagination, rather than trying the same thing every single time with Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I guess we all expect more from Rooney and that's why his poor performance stands out more than everyone else. England as a team have been very poor. That's fair enough. Not convinced that that is the argument being made though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So Rooney stays on purely because of that FK? :confused:Hodgson has no idea What's Welbeck done to deserve to stay on ahead of Rooney? Rooney's been ***** yeah, but he's grabbed a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yes - someone like Lambert should be given a proper go. Or Welbeck centrally. Or any number of other options showing a tiny bit of original thought or imagination, rather than trying the same thing every single time with Rooney. So you want to drop a poor Rooney for an even poorer form Lambert.... how does that make sense? And Welbeck is already an England regular who has been getting a more time through the middle recently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 What's Welbeck done to deserve to stay on ahead of Rooney? Rooney's been ***** yeah, but he's grabbed a goal. I thought Roy would have more thought behind his decisions so that someone scoring a FK (luckily) doesn't make him change his mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madchester Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That's fair enough. Not convinced that that is the argument being made though. So what is the argument then??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan99 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So what is the argument then??? That scoring from a set piece makes up and omits him from criticism for missing a few good chances, the ball always bouncing off him and him loosing the ball constantly. I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I had visions of that going through his legs then If only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So you want to drop a poor Rooney for an even poorer form Lambert.... how does that make sense? And Welbeck is already an England regular who has been getting a more time through the middle recently? Rooney has been consistently poor for England - Lambert has been given nowhere near the same opportunity to prove himself. Club and country form rarely follow one another, so I wouldn't write off Lambert for that. If club form should be the deciding factor, why not Berahino? Welbeck is of course a regular, but I'd like to see him in a system that doesn't seem to revolve around a poor Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Sturridge hopefully to get a bit more appreciation from people after this recent absence. Still underated by a lot of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madchester Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That scoring from a set piece makes up and omits him from criticism for missing a few good chances, the ball always bouncing off him and him loosing the ball constantly. I think. So like i said ........Rooney and everyone else has been poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Rooney. What a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 bwahaha. seriously??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I don't think the whole team has been poor at all. We've dealt comfortably with things at the back, and have kept possession well and created plenty of chances. Rooney has just fluffed so so many of those chances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Need to put Rooney down, just awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Vessey Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 His obsession with chipping one on ones is infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Haven't done enough to break them down and create enough shots on target but we still did what was required while playing comfortably. Rooney is terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Everyone used to laugh at me on here a few years ago when I said Rooney was useless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Well. At least we got the win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 for those trying to defend rooney, just dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Heroic win in Talinn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodfreyBloom Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hogged pretty much every set piece as well, let Baines have a pop when the angle favours a left footer ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Everyone used to laugh at me on here a few years ago when I said Rooney was useless "useless"?? he scored the winner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Coming off one horrible WC campaign and 3 games in to a fresh start the same old crap is still there. May be sitting top of the group but what's the point when the performances are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That was poor but at least we got the 3 points, 4 straight wins and 5 straight clean sheets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Rooney has been consistently poor for England - Lambert has been given nowhere near the same opportunity to prove himself. Club and country form rarely follow one another, so I wouldn't write off Lambert for that. If club form should be the deciding factor, why not Berahino? Welbeck is of course a regular, but I'd like to see him in a system that doesn't seem to revolve around a poor Rooney. Berahino was needed for the big U21 qualifiers, he's already been tipped for the senior side though. Rooney hasnt been great at all, still scoring. Lambert hasnt been great and isnt scoring. The system revolves around have 2 strikers and getting Sterling to play as the same time, hence a diamond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So we should be comfortable playing against the likes of San Marino and Estonia I know they have improved a lot, had some half-decent results against good teams but they weren't very good at all. We were as comfortable as expected but our approach play lacks any creative spark and we have all this pace but you'd not know it. How about someone going past a man as well, remember when players did that? We'll take the maximum 9 from 9 points but we need to buck up our ideas ahead of Slovenia away, I hope it's one of those deals where we play according to the quality of our opposition 1-0, ffs, 10 men from 50 mins. It's not great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So we should be comfortable playing against the likes of San Marino and EstoniaI know they have improved a lot, had some half-decent results against good teams but they weren't very good at all. We were as comfortable as expected but our approach play lacks any creative spark and we have all this pace but you'd not know it. How about someone going past a man as well, remember when players did that? We'll take the maximum 9 from 9 points but we need to buck up our ideas ahead of Slovenia away, I hope it's one of those deals where we play according to the quality of our opposition 1-0, ffs, 10 men from 50 mins. It's not great We struggled to beat a man, either with a pass, or a dribble. Very pedestrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How is Lambert supposed to score when he's not playing FFS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Performance was crap but we won and thats what counts. If you decide to watch Lithuania vs Slovenia tonight you'll realise we should also beat Slovenia comfortably, they're no better than Estonia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 thank feck for that! beat the Swiss as well didn't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Berahino was needed for the big U21 qualifiers, he's already been tipped for the senior side though. Rooney hasnt been great at all, still scoring. Lambert hasnt been great and isnt scoring. The system revolves around have 2 strikers and getting Sterling to play as the same time, hence a diamond. The 1st team has to trump the U21s I think. We have plenty of players who can take free kicks, which was Rooney's only contribution tonight (from several attempts), it would be madness to accept all of the faults he's showing just because we've scraped a 1-0 against Estonia. At the end of the day it's irrelevant for a couple of years, we're guaranteed qualification whoever we play. It's just a bit depressing to see us playing the same way over and over again (which has failed before) - which Rooney is a key part of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 i'm sure that is an own goal, the keeper pushed the shot onto the post then the ball came off him and in Just depends whether it was already over the line or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The 1st team has to trump the U21s I think. We have plenty of players who can take free kicks, which was Rooney's only contribution tonight (from several attempts), it would be madness to accept all of the faults he's showing just because we've scraped a 1-0 against Estonia.At the end of the day it's irrelevant for a couple of years, we're guaranteed qualification whoever we play. It's just a bit depressing to see us playing the same way over and over again (which has failed before) - which Rooney is a key part of. A double headed qualifier shouldnt trump Estonia, especially when Berahino will play far more in the former than the latter. You know he would have played 15 minutes in total for the two games It's not about accepting all his faults though. Just pointing out that while awful, he is still scoring which is ultimately the point of him. I just think you need to make a change for the right reasons. I don't think we can look at Lambert and say "yeah he's gonna play better than Rooney and score" he looks nothing like that at the moment. I also want to know why Clyne didnt start in a formation that requires very attacking full backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 thank feck for that! beat the Swiss as well didn't they? Ye, but the Swiss aren't on form at the moment. I expect Slovenia to lose tonight, they're much better at home than away. We could have a problem in the away game against them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Ha! hodgson talking out his arse there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 A double headed qualifier shouldnt trump Estonia, especially when Berahino will play far more in the former than the latter. You know he would have played 15 minutes in total for the two games It's not about accepting all his faults though. Just pointing out that while awful, he is still scoring which is ultimately the point of him. I just think you need to make a change for the right reasons. I don't think we can look at Lambert and say "yeah he's gonna play better than Rooney and score" he looks nothing like that at the moment. I also want to know why Clyne didnt start in a formation that requires very attacking full backs. The bolded bit is exactly my point! When Rooney is guaranteed his spot no matter what, which appears to be the case now, the best a new prospect can expect is to play 15 minutes every now and again, then never start because he never scores... repeat... repeat... Agreed about Clyne. Haven't seen Roy's comments yet, but hope he's fuming (doubt it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I loved it when before taking the free kick, Rooney casually checked whether the near side was free. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Z1CZBMAis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Chambers was only worse then Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Lambert isn't scoring because he only gets the last 5-10 minutes of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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