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1 hour ago, bosque said:

Is it a good idea using a higher defensive line, lower line of engagement and increase the pressing urgency?

I would use at least a standard line of engagement so as not to allow opposition defenders an excessive amount of time on the ball.

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Any advice on how to get  DLP to more effectively impact play? I have a few elite to world class DLP but whether they are at DM or CM, they are always getting pressed like crazy, meaning they will either get skipped over by my players or they'll play a quick back pass when they receive the ball.

 

The result is they are often my player with the lowest match rating, with minimal assists.  Support or defensive doesn't seem to matter and I've tried several different formations.

 

Also does a BPD attract the ball the same way a playmaker does?  If together do they tend to just pass to each other?

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23 hours ago, hehehemann said:

I read this and am wondering if its true, any quick fires know the answer?

Yes, it is true.  Your senior team likely plays far more matches that your youngster probably isn't going to be part of so he misses the match experience, the training session he could have been part of if he were still in your youth squad, and then he misses out on any training the day after the match which is either devoted to training or rest.  This gets much worse if you are playing multiple matches per week where the player might only receive 2-4 training sessions in the first team whereas he would have received a full week's worth of training in the youth squad. 

It is also important to realize that the default youth training schedules, which you are using if you've left training to your staff, are different and separate from the other squad's training schedules.  The youth schedules have a much larger focus on physical development with two General-Physical sessions every week in every one of the default weekly schedules.  So your youth players who have been moved to the senior squad are missing out on all this extra physical development.  

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On 22/07/2021 at 21:43, Erith22 said:

Any advice on how to get  DLP to more effectively impact play? I have a few elite to world class DLP but whether they are at DM or CM, they are always getting pressed like crazy, meaning they will either get skipped over by my players or they'll play a quick back pass when they receive the ball.

 

The result is they are often my player with the lowest match rating, with minimal assists.  Support or defensive doesn't seem to matter and I've tried several different formations.

 

Also does a BPD attract the ball the same way a playmaker does?  If together do they tend to just pass to each other?

I would suggest making a separate thread with your full tactic, in case there is something glaring that's causing an issue.

When I play a DLP, I tend to think about where he is aiming his passes, such as to an AF or W on the opposite side of the pitch on attack to stretch the play. A DLP will make risky passes so having someone to get on the end of them is important.

BPD don't operate the same as DLPs. They will potentially bring the ball out of defence and look to play killer balls. They are actually less likely to pass to each other because they are both looking for opportunities to make risky passes.

 

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On 22/07/2021 at 13:43, Erith22 said:

Any advice on how to get  DLP to more effectively impact play? I have a few elite to world class DLP but whether they are at DM or CM, they are always getting pressed like crazy, meaning they will either get skipped over by my players or they'll play a quick back pass when they receive the ball.

 

The result is they are often my player with the lowest match rating, with minimal assists.  Support or defensive doesn't seem to matter and I've tried several different formations.

 

Also does a BPD attract the ball the same way a playmaker does?  If together do they tend to just pass to each other?

As Dotsworthy wrote, would need to see your tactic in a separate thread but in general, if your playmaking midfielder is hard-pressed, he will need good first touch, dribbling, technique and composure; also, it's important that he does not have a weak foot (i.e. 'right only' will be a problem).  If the opposition is going in hard on him, he will need good strength, balance, composure and bravery.  Of course, high determination is always important.

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In a 2 striker pairing, where both dont have a side preference. On which side do you play the rightfooted main goalscorer?

 

Im inclined to say left, so the shot come from more central in front of goal rather than at an angle. Is this true for FM?

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56 minutes ago, eXistenZ said:

In a 2 striker pairing, where both dont have a side preference. On which side do you play the rightfooted main goalscorer?

 

Im inclined to say left, so the shot come from more central in front of goal rather than at an angle. Is this true for FM?

Can work either way. Personally I'd play him on the right. I'm currently playing a 442 with a PF(s) and AF and I played my left footed AF on the left. He has 24 goals in 26 league games this season.

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3 hours ago, eXistenZ said:

In a 2 striker pairing, where both dont have a side preference. On which side do you play the rightfooted main goalscorer?

 

Im inclined to say left, so the shot come from more central in front of goal rather than at an angle. Is this true for FM?

To echo what @LHurlz said, it can work either way, but think about what roles you intend to use and how he is expected to score.  Generally I would advise being on the right hand side, as most of the more goal scoring roles (Advanced Forward, Poacher, etc...) have the Moves Into Channels instruction - playing off the left will see him getting the ball on his weaker foot more often than not.  I'd suggest playing on the left in a more creative role (Trequartista, Deep Lying Forward, etc...) as those roles tend to see the player drop deep and then drive at the defence, where being able to cut in on the stronger foot would be more useful.

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5 hours ago, Geoff Newman said:

To echo what @LHurlz said, it can work either way, but think about what roles you intend to use and how he is expected to score.  Generally I would advise being on the right hand side, as most of the more goal scoring roles (Advanced Forward, Poacher, etc...) have the Moves Into Channels instruction - playing off the left will see him getting the ball on his weaker foot more often than not.  I'd suggest playing on the left in a more creative role (Trequartista, Deep Lying Forward, etc...) as those roles tend to see the player drop deep and then drive at the defence, where being able to cut in on the stronger foot would be more useful.

Yes, in my original setup my main goalscorer (AF) was indeed on the right, with the DLF on the left. Howeversomebody pointed out the roles on the midfield behind them: a BBM behind the dlf and a mezalla behind the AF, and said it would make more sense to switch them. The BBM can run into the space the AF leaves, while the DLF can drop deeper because the mezalla has vacated that spot and drifted to the flank. But the mezalla is paired with an IWB on the right, so I can't swap them, it has to be the strikers.

 

So I'm not sure whether to leave it as original or swap them. On the other hand, my mezalla is  my main creative force and breaking up the direct link with the AF could be even worse

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On 23/07/2021 at 18:29, rsihn said:

Yes, it is true.  Your senior team likely plays far more matches that your youngster probably isn't going to be part of so he misses the match experience, the training session he could have been part of if he were still in your youth squad, and then he misses out on any training the day after the match which is either devoted to training or rest.  This gets much worse if you are playing multiple matches per week where the player might only receive 2-4 training sessions in the first team whereas he would have received a full week's worth of training in the youth squad. 

It is also important to realize that the default youth training schedules, which you are using if you've left training to your staff, are different and separate from the other squad's training schedules.  The youth schedules have a much larger focus on physical development with two General-Physical sessions every week in every one of the default weekly schedules.  So your youth players who have been moved to the senior squad are missing out on all this extra physical development.  

Thanks for this post. I feel like this is a point that is missed by a lot of people. Particularly at big clubs that have European competitions who may well go deep in cups as well, almost half of the season is spent with 2 matches, and in the second half of the season they may only have 2 or 3 sessions in one of those weeks which aren't rest/recovery or match prep which is likely ramped up for those big matches. 

If you're really keen you can add a really hot prospect or two into first team training for a week where you know there is a good amount of training and then remove them, or as I do sometimes if I think I may have them on the bench, put them into first team training for the week and leave them in there through the match day so they get the experience too (not sure if this has an actual affect on their mentals etc or not though).

I used to drop all my decent prospects in with the first team training until this lightbulb moment. I have seen a certain improvement in my youths development since I've stopped doing this. 

I feel like this info should be pinned somewhere or added to a 'important tips' thread or something.

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4 hours ago, eXistenZ said:

Yes, in my original setup my main goalscorer (AF) was indeed on the right, with the DLF on the left. Howeversomebody pointed out the roles on the midfield behind them: a BBM behind the dlf and a mezalla behind the AF, and said it would make more sense to switch them. The BBM can run into the space the AF leaves, while the DLF can drop deeper because the mezalla has vacated that spot and drifted to the flank. But the mezalla is paired with an IWB on the right, so I can't swap them, it has to be the strikers.

 

So I'm not sure whether to leave it as original or swap them. On the other hand, my mezalla is  my main creative force and breaking up the direct link with the AF could be even worse

Okay, looks like we might use similar set-ups.  I'm currently playing a 3-5-2 (WB & DM) with an MEZ (attack) alongside an IWB (support) and behind the AF on his preferred foot side (left).  The IWB and MEZ have a lot of assists from sending balls into the channels for the AF - who currently has 24 goals from 27 games.  On the right I have a DLF (support) ahead of a CM (support) who has Gets Forward Whenever Possible.  This sees the DLF drop deep and link up with the MEZ, whilst the CM breaks into the box to exploit the vacated space

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I acquired a player at early age 22, 170 CA / 200 PA

He has an 11 ambition and 14 professionalism.  I have world class facilities, every coach gives 4.5 stars in their category.  In two years he's now a 169 CA.  He's had a handful of slight to moderate injuries, never missing more than 3 weeks.  This last season he played 37 matches, 12 goals, 12 assists, 5 POM awards 7.16.  I just won the EPL for for the first time and won the Champions League Last year and quarter final this year so he's had top notch competition.  Club rep is worldwide.

Why isn't he improving?  Is 11 ambition so low that he is stuck?  He's 23 will turn 24 next season, which I know is at the end of the development curve.  Is he basically as good as he'll ever be?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Erith22 said:

I acquired a player at early age 22, 170 CA / 200 PA

He has an 11 ambition and 14 professionalism.  I have world class facilities, every coach gives 4.5 stars in their category.  In two years he's now a 169 CA.  He's had a handful of slight to moderate injuries, never missing more than 3 weeks.  This last season he played 37 matches, 12 goals, 12 assists, 5 POM awards 7.16.  I just won the EPL for for the first time and won the Champions League Last year and quarter final this year so he's had top notch competition.  Club rep is worldwide.

Why isn't he improving?  Is 11 ambition so low that he is stuck?  He's 23 will turn 24 next season, which I know is at the end of the development curve.  Is he basically as good as he'll ever be?

 

 

He was already late with 22, the higher you go the harder it becomes, you didn't say how much determination either.

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13 minutes ago, Sharkn20 said:

He was already late with 22, the higher you go the harder it becomes, you didn't say how much determination either.

det 14.  It may be screaming into the void, but obviously player development should not be done at 22.  He's a winger, and the game itself says players shouldn't peak for several more years.

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2 hours ago, Erith22 said:

det 14.  It may be screaming into the void, but obviously player development should not be done at 22.  He's a winger, and the game itself says players shouldn't peak for several more years.

I suppose that you're not allowing for the element of 'chance' in your calculations/expectations. That relatively low ambition would also hold him back as its equally as important as professionalism & determination amongst morale & training facilities as mentioned by @Seb Wassellhere:

Just a few posts above @Seb Wassell also says:

'Determination, Ambition and Professionalism all contribute exactly the same amount towards the progression score. However a certain progression score does not guarantee a certain level of progression. A progression score only gives the player a certain chance of achieving a certain level of progression. This chance ranges anywhere from 0% to 70%. As such two players with identical attributes could develop very differently. Similar two players with very different attributes could develop identically. In this way it is not possible to reliably test a single attribute's impact on progression through simply collating and monitoring a data set.'

 

 

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