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Very little has been said about Barkley actually. I've not really rated him much before, always felt he had an air of a dumbo doing everything on instincts, but credit where credit's due, he was brilliant at the start of the season. At one point it really looked like he could be a potential starter, but unless he does something in the next few friendlies he could well become one of those players who go to tournaments and not get a game.

He won the battle over his closest competitor Ox for that role by default but don't think he's safe from the chop yet.

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Very little has been said about Barkley actually. I've not really rated him much before, always felt he had an air of a dumbo doing everything on instincts, but credit where credit's due, he was brilliant at the start of the season. At one point it really looked like he could be a potential starter, but unless he does something in the next few friendlies he could well become one of those players who go to tournaments and not get a game.

He won the battle over his closest competitor Ox for that role by default but don't think he's safe from the chop yet.

He will go because he's "young and exciting" his decision making has been very poor, like Stones. Hopefully Martinez's sacking will mean a more astute manager working on that. Very talented but needs a lot more focus

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Mirror reporting that Kane and Vardy will both play up front against Turkey together.

England will be playing four four ****ing two. [/MikeBassett]

Not a shock seeing as Rooney, Rashford and Sturridge aren't able to play Sunday.

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well yea, Rashford will be a bit Tired :p

who decided having an England game the day after the cup final was a good idea :rolleyes:

The F. A. and FIFA presumably. There's nothing wrong with it really, but Roy and most England managers don't use friendlies how they're supposed to be used anyway.

Normally, these friendlies will be used to:

- Give Forster and maybe even Heaton some game time with the defenders

- Test the full backs

- Try Rooney in midfield

- Give Dier some time at centre-back

- See if a Kane/Vardy partnership works

- Give any players who aren't definites for the final squad as much game time as possible to help make the decision

Knowing Roy though, Hart will start every game, Rooney will be the lone man up front most of the time, and he'll avoid playing anyone like Rashford so he can tell himself he can leave him out and doesn't have to make any tough or controversial decisions.

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Should have done better. The FA had the right idea back then: go foreign, rip up the rule book and get the best manager regardless of nationality. Problem was they went for Sven.

Don't get me wrong, Sven wasn't terrible. But in hindsight, there were far better options to try and get, especially with the sort of money they were offering

Oh, and that vid with a customary Lampard deflected goal and England legend Darius Vassel scoring a brace :)

Be interesting to do a player for player comparison for the 04 team with the present day.

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Should have done better. The FA had the right idea back then: go foreign, rip up the rule book and get the best manager regardless of nationality. Problem was they went for Sven.

Don't get me wrong, Sven wasn't terrible. But in hindsight, there were far better options to try and get, especially with the sort of money they were offering

Oh, and that vid with a customary Lampard deflected goal and England legend Darius Vassel scoring a brace :)

Be interesting to do a player for player comparison for the 04 team with the present day.

James - Hart

Gary Neville - Clyne

Ashley Cole - Rose

Terry and Campbell - Cahill and Smalling

Gerrard - Dier

Lampard - Rooney

Beckham - Sterling

Scholes - Welbeck (only because Scholes was not happy on the left, but as a player he's of course far better than Welbeck)

Rooney and Owen - Kane and Vardy

Pretty straightforward.

Sven was going to be Man Utd manager, he was a sought after name at the time. The F. A. don't sack managers and only want qualification, so they just want the safe option. They weren't to know he was an adulterer and fraudster who only cared about money.

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He's not better than Sturridge, Vardy or Kane and therefore shouldn't be in the final 23.

Better than Townsend and England aren't playing with wingers. Should go instead of him.

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He's not better than Sturridge, Vardy or Kane and therefore shouldn't be in the final 23.

Sturridge is down with another injury so don't bet on rashford not going ;)

how many injury prone players does roy risk taking he has several just coming back from injuries/some long term if he takes them all he is a fool

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James - Hart

Gary Neville - Clyne

Ashley Cole - Rose

Terry and Campbell - Cahill and Smalling

Gerrard - Dier

Lampard - Rooney

Beckham - Sterling

Scholes - Welbeck (only because Scholes was not happy on the left, but as a player he's of course far better than Welbeck)

Rooney and Owen - Kane and Vardy

Pretty straightforward.

Sven was going to be Man Utd manager, he was a sought after name at the time. The F. A. don't sack managers and only want qualification, so they just want the safe option. They weren't to know he was an adulterer and fraudster who only cared about money.

jesus seeing that shows how poor the current crop is at the back and middle(none of current bunch would get into a combined team of those players..sterling for beckham lol) but we didn't achieve much with the so called golden generation;)

the current strikers are better but roy wont pick them as a pair he will push vardy out wide and waste the opportunity, hope I am wrong and he accommodates both 4 diamond 2

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Press conference on now.

Forster to start in goal tomorrow, Rooney on the bench.

Rashford looking likely to start. Will do so if Sturridge does not recover from a calf strain

Delph has a groin strain, all but out of the tournament. Would probably have been cut, but this will probably confirm it.

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Rashford looking likely to start. Will do so if Sturridge does not recover from a calf strain

Delph has a groin strain, all but out of the tournament. Would probably have been cut, but this will probably confirm it.

This is Delph we're talking about here. Probably told Roy he's injured so he can go on holiday. Watch how fit he'll be if there's a few injuries

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jesus seeing that shows how poor the current crop is at the back and middle(none of current bunch would get into a combined team of those players..sterling for beckham lol) but we didn't achieve much with the so called golden generation;)

the current strikers are better but roy wont pick them as a pair he will push vardy out wide and waste the opportunity, hope I am wrong and he accommodates both 4 diamond 2

I think it's more that the players were top class. Owen and Euro 2004 Rooney together are definitely better than Kane and Vardy just because Owen was truly world class and he scored against the big teams, not just the qualifiers against the easy ones (which Rooney would go on to do).

Given England's overall record and level (hovering around group stage level, when they even qualify), a golden generation reaching 3 quarter finals sounds about right on paper. Looking at the team on its own, full of top talent, you would say they had the ability to win something, but they lost to Brazil and to Portugal's own golden generation on penalties twice, there's not much you can do really, those could've all been finals.

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our current back four are simply not good enough

the midfield has potential and in Alli we have a player who could develop into a world class player

kane is top notch now and I have no doubt we will get goals but can we stop the opposition getting more, hopefully we will

looking forward to it now especially the wales game 2 contrasting styles

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The experienced players he'll come up against will know what to do, wind him up. Does have a short fuse as seen plenty of times this season, so wouldn't be shock to see it come back to bite him in the tournament. Hopefully it won't cost us a game though like Beckham/Rooney in the past.

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What's the deal with Sturridge, can we take him. Even if he's fit now we have no clue what happens when he's training. Never known someone get injured in training as much as him

Drinkwater's had a great season, thought he was good when he came on against Turkey bit the ever changing midfield the other day was kind of bitty and can see him being cut, it's the easy option, let's face it

Sturridge vs Rashford is tough, I like Sturridge, would probably take him but it's another injured player with the potential to be injured at any time, more than anyone else. I like Rashford in the box

Delph is being cut, either of those two and probably Drinkwater, right? Wilshere hasn't shone in those last few games (minutes!) for Arsenal and hasn't shone in either of these friendlies. 'He's done fine' is about as much as you can say and is that what we'll be saying in the tournament? 'He's done fine' as he makes little to no impact and the game passes him by

People say things like 'a half fit Wilshere is still better ...' but he's really not, is he

These England friendlies shouldn't be about sorting his fitness out and he doesn't quite look back to normal but no doubt he'll be picked and start

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Id take Wilshere. There was a few moments against Australia where you could see his class and ability to change a game.

Id drop Sturridge. I know this might sound a bit contradictory with the above comment, but you just cant take the gamble on him not with Rashford waiting in the wings.

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Id take Wilshere. There was a few moments against Australia where you could see his class and ability to change a game.

Id drop Sturridge. I know this might sound a bit contradictory with the above comment, but you just cant take the gamble on him not with Rashford waiting in the wings.

The difference is that with Wilshere the alternative is James Milner or an unfit Henderson. Wilshere is easily worth taking the risk on with that in mind. Whereas with Sturridge we already have two clear first choice forwards (Kane and Vardy), and his competition (Rashford) is talented, in great form, and full of confidence.

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So, nice win for the U21s winning that Toulon Tournament. Won all our games, beat France 2-1 in the final. Nathan Baker and Lotus-Cheek starring throughout. Shame they won't get much of a look in at club level :thup: Not good enough, are they

Damn players need to play, to develop

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No, teams like City and Chelsea should play the talent they have developed

It's not like we're looking at deluxe first teams here, they both have holes in their team but youth never gets called up. It's much more fun to throw money around cause there's so much of it in England

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So, nice win for the U21s winning that Toulon Tournament. Won all our games, beat France 2-1 in the final. Nathan Baker and Lotus-Cheek starring throughout. Shame they won't get much of a look in at club level :thup: Not good enough, are they

Damn players need to play, to develop

Not sure how we got away with sending our U21s to Toulon where all the other countries seem to send their U20s.

Not surprised we had a good run :D

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So, nice win for the U21s winning that Toulon Tournament. Won all our games, beat France 2-1 in the final. Nathan Baker and Lotus-Cheek starring throughout. Shame they won't get much of a look in at club level :thup: Not good enough, are they

Damn players need to play, to develop

Pretty sure it wasn't Nathan Baker ;)

Did Grealish start in the final?

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From the Telegraph

Daniel Sturridge has taken part in training as Roy Hodgson prepares to name his squad for Euro 2016 – but England took the highly unusual step of cancelling all media activity ahead of Tuesday’s announcement.

The Liverpool striker did not play against Australia on Friday night due to a calf injury but Hodgson has said he did not expect the injury to be serious enough for Sturridge to be ruled out of the tournament.

And that was more likely after Sturridge took part in training in Watford on Monday morning as Hodgson puts the final touches to his preparation.

It seems increasingly likely that Manchester United’s teenage striker Marcus Rashford will be selected, but Hodgson is keeping his cards close to his chest after cancelling a planned press conference.

The England manager was set to address the media at 2pm at The Grove hotel in Watford, but instead there will be no press access on Monday.

It is a highly unusual move, with the last time England cancelled a press conference thought to be when Rio Ferdinand missed a drugs test in 2003.

Hodgson would have expected to face questions over Sturridge’s fitness, as well as who he will drop from his 25-man squad.

Among the contenders said to be facing the axe are Danny Drinkwater and Andros Townsend, with speculation over the likes of Ross Barkley also mounting.

Sturridge, however, is more likely to be on the train if he comes through the remainder of the session unscathed.

Ryan Bertrand meanwhile missed training with a knock.

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Pretty sure it wasn't Nathan Baker ;)

Did Grealish start in the final?

No.

England: Pickford, Iorfa, Targett, Chalobah, Chambers, Hause, Watmore (Swift 65), Ward-Prowse ©, Loftus-Cheek (Stephens 90), Redmond, Baker.

I don't think we were the only team fielding over 20's. Japan for example, used their under 23's as a warm up for the Olympics.

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