Is Torres honestly going to be as good in FM12 as he was in 11..

Surely, SURELY not... he might be "lacking in confidence" as everyone is saying, but my god.. at least put his CA down!

At least add the PPM - "Likes to round keeper and then put the ball into the stands"

Just because Torres isn't scoring or doing as well as he has done in the past, it doesn't me he has to be downgraded. He's a good player and is struggling alot. All players struggle though.

At least add the PPM - "Likes to round keeper and then put the ball into the stands"

Made me lol..

At least add the PPM - "Likes to round keeper and then put the ball into the stands"

Excellent

Just because Torres isn't scoring or doing as well as he has done in the past, it doesn't me he has to be downgraded. He's a good player and is struggling alot. All players struggle though.

Not for 2 years.

i've asked phillip rolfe in the match thread to atleast make sure it gets sorted in the match engine.

Aww shame it doesn't have commentary, Tyler going "OHHH NOOOO!" hahaha.. that made me laugh more than his miss!

But it's been over a year and he's still playing AWFUL, a players stats shouldn't be based on his past - otherwise Freddy Adu would still have a PA of like 200!

He didn't play awful today, or Tuesday. In fact I thought he played quite well.

Not really playing awful, just lost his finishing. Set Finishing & Composer to 1 and that should be about accurate.

Id feel sorry for him if he wasnt going home and pocketing 80k a week

He set up three goals the other day. Admittedly one was disallowed. He's hardly been terrible in front of goal for two years straight though, he's only really missed chances and been fit for 9 months and even then he had a good spell under Dalglish.

Id feel sorry for him if he wasnt going home and pocketing 80k a week

That's why its better to laugh instead.

He set up three goals the other day. Admittedly one was disallowed. He's hardly been terrible in front of goal for two years straight though, he's only really missed chances and been fit for 9 months and even then he had a good spell under Dalglish.

didn't he score the one that was disallowed?

Id feel sorry for him if he wasnt going home and pocketing 80k a week

Try adding a 100k in front of that!

His CA needs to come down, a lot! I used to love watching him, even as a Manchester United fan I could appreciate what a fantastic forward he was. But he isn't half the player he was 2 years ago. He has had a lot of injuries, wonder if they have taken the toll, or if it is just a case of really low self confidence? Whatever, 2 goals in 25 games for Chelsea, and generally pish for Liverpool for 6 months before they sold him needs to be reflected imo.

We all know Torres has the ability and skill, but he hasn't produced it for ages, and that should be replicated in FM. It would be the same for any other player, so why not Torres? If were talking FIFA ratings here Torres would be a 78 right now.

He deserves a slight downgrade IMO probably a point or so in finishing/composure/mentality/ 2 goals in 25 games is't a great return for £50m to be honest, plus hes been below par for about 12 months now some might say more and i've seen many of player on fm downgraded for been poor in lesser time or months etc

It would be bifferent if this was a 3 month blip or so on but this is a near 2 year blip which suggests to me he should be downgraded

Maybe Chelsea should buy another Spaniard, you know, to help him settle in ...

It's not his fault, leave him alone. The Chelsea players are old, slow and fat.

At least add the PPM - "Likes to round keeper and then put the ball into the stands"

had to laugh at that.

He isn't the player he once was, and therefore he deserves a downgrade. That's not to say he is finished though.

Form is temporary, Class is permanent.

So was Torres ever a class player, or did he just have an incredible run of form?

I heard he never scored many in Spain before joining Liverpool, not a 20 goal a season striker I mean.

Well he did score the only chelsea goal against Man Utd. If anything maybe his composure and consistancy, maybe handling pressure aswell becuase £50M price tag and all. Don't forget when he moved to Liverpool the fans treated him like he was the new Rush, back in Spain he was good but Spain have had good strikers around the time when he was at Ath Madrid plus not playing in one of the top teams i.e. Barca and Spain, Ath Madrid were like Tottenham now I reckon if everything goes rght for Harry they got a chance at the league, but where as Chelsea Should be Title contenders. So the pressure on him to produce £50M worth of goals is mega

Well, if you look at him in most (not all, most) of his games now, he either looks pants or completely disinterested, his first touch is like a baby elephant! In all seriousness, he is NOT a top striker at the moment, that's not to say he doesn't have the potential to be.. How fitting then we have a "Current" Ability and a "Potential" Ability in the game, I'm not saying make him worse than a certain former SPL striker (Colin Nish ) but at least take down his CA to match his current form!

I think its more to with his mentality not skill, get his head right and you know he can score goals but his head isn't there at the mo but you can't leave £50M to rot in the Reserves

2 years of mentality, when you consider how long a footballers career is, is an incredibly long time. £50m or not, something has to be done to get his head in the game.. if it was me - i'd loan him to a Championship side for 2 months, get him some goals and get the confidence back!

2 years of mentality, when you consider how long a footballers career is, is an incredibly long time. £50m or not, something has to be done to get his head in the game.. if it was me - i'd loan him to a Championship side for 2 months, get him some goals and get the confidence back!

If he cant score an open goal, whos so say he can beat the keepers in the championship

2 years of mentality, when you consider how long a footballers career is, is an incredibly long time. £50m or not, something has to be done to get his head in the game.. if it was me - i'd loan him to a Championship side for 2 months, get him some goals and get the confidence back!

I agree maybe a loan move back to spain would help, but then we don't know what is happening behind the scence, did Mourinho or was it Ranieri cant quite remember had this problem with Shevchenko but abramovich was forcing the managers hand so to speak to play him regular.

At least add the PPM - "Likes to round keeper and then put the ball into the stands"

lol - GIF stolen too!

While there will be those saying that he is just struggling, but it's just his form, that he is still a world class striker. There are plenty of examples of 'world class' strikers that did well for a few seasons to then never find the same form again.

So saying that I highly expect his stats to lower some, but managed in such a way he could still gain a point or two in various stats if someone managed to get good form out of him.

i agree that his CA should take a drop because of his poor form. He has been poor for a while recently and it should show in FM12.

The problem with FM is that once a player over 25 drops, you can never get him to go back up again. Something temporary like "lacking confidence" 100/100 seems better to me

Should Rooney be downgraded for missing a penalty? Seem to remember him going through some bad form last season.

Ramires missed a sitter too. Perhaps he should be downgraded too?

All joking aside Torres is still a class player. Once he gets his head sorted he'll be fine. I think Juan Mata there will really help him.

Torres I reckon will still be up there with the top scorers at the end of the Season.

he had a fine game yesterday outwith that miss, he caused united problems all game, he will get back to that form again, for the first time in a while he has looked in the mood again.

Easily taken care of by lowering consistency to 5

Should Rooney be downgraded for missing a penalty? Seem to remember him going through some bad form last season.

Ramires missed a sitter too. Perhaps he should be downgraded too?

All joking aside Torres is still a class player. Once he gets his head sorted he'll be fine. I think Juan Mata there will really help him.

Torres I reckon will still be up there with the top scorers at the end of the Season.

Penaltys and sitters are just 1 time things, he hasnt been on form for quite a while now.

We could name loads of players that have had good records abroad but have come over here and havent preformed to the same level, many at Villa, Savo Milosevic and Basko Balaban the main two.

We could name loads of players that have had good records abroad but have come over here and havent preformed to the same level, many at Villa, Savo Milosevic and Basko Balaban the main two.

Shevchenko.

People were calling for Rooney to be downgraded and Carroll to be upgraded less than a year a go. Apart from that one miss Torres had a great game yesterday I don't think he is the player he was but you have to be careful downgrading people maybe dropping his consistency would work the best.

I doubt he will get the same treatment from SI for Shevchenko.....

He needs downgrading, I don't know by how much though.

consistency down, imp match up? as he did play well, in a imp match but his consistancy is all over the place. big mistake with his standing leg as he went to hit the ball, poor technique!

It's not his fault, leave him alone. The Chelsea players are old, slow and fat.

I swear i have a sore stomach now twith laughing at this

I actually feel sry for him...he's playing very well recently, just needs to finish better.

TBH the old play-style of Chelsea did not fit him well, he needs a faster tempo of play to flourish. IMO Vilas-Boas is trying to accommodate his team around Torres, which is the right way to go, since faster tempo = slicker passing game = more through balls = happier spanish midfielders in Chelsea

I don't think his stats need down toning that much he's starting to get better irl, It seems more of a confidence thing after a few injuries. Perhaps they could add some sort of confidence thing to the players in the future?

There is an old saying in football - form is temporary, class is permanent. Torres is class and as a Liverpool supporter, i was sad to see him go. He will get back to his old form and will score more goals.

I would like to say though as well - the grass is not always greener!!!!

Two cliches in one post!!

He is still quite the monster on 11.3. Easily scores over 25 a season and has become a chelsea legend on my save. I think his mentals should be adjusted but he should not be nerfed. He is a quality player and he will regain his form soon.

There are somethings money cant buy, for everything else there is mastercard.

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It's not his fault, leave him alone. The Chelsea players are old, slow and fat.

LOL this made me to chuckle