Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 'Fluffs it' Haven't seen him take someone on in ages, that a pretty good drop of the shoulder. Completely mugged off koscelny. Thought we played well that first half, looking good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Dele Alli, the young English Zidane. What a goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 He looks a lot sharper, that's for sure. Kane's been a good foil too. Sterling is being a selfish got though, can't believe he didn't square that to Barkley at the end of the half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Even Rooney's been somewhat decent today. Stones has been good at getting moves started from the back. If Sterling were less selfish (this is the first game I've ever seen him look decent in) it could be a better scoreline but whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Sweet goal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Lovely stuff there, nice volley from Rooney. Perfect positioning there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merry_miller Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Our time lads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielM_90 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Another good goal that, great hit on the volley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Has Hoddle turned into Arry? TRIFFIC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Alli again! Rooney's back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Good cross from Stirling Good finish from Rooney too, even if it pains me to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Once again Alli played a big role, he'll be a vital player for England in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Once again Alli played a big role, he'll be a vital player for England in the future. If he plays as well as he is today then the future could be euro 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Good cross from Stirling Good finish from Rooney too, even if it pains me to say it. Really weird thing to say, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 If he plays as well as he is today then the future could be euro 2016. And if Dier can cement his role as a defensive midfielder he'll be one hell of an asset too, as we don't really have anyone to replace Carrick as the anchor in midfield once he's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Alli's got a few cards in him hasn't he.m? Any other game, he'd be on a yellow easy by now. Game's gone a bit flat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Pogba is such a beautiful player. Such a joy to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Decent stop by Butland there, he may be getting a few chances to stake a claim for the #1 shirt in this game. He won't get it of course because he only plays for Stoke while Hart plays for Man City, but it should be a good claim for more gametime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 And if Dier can cement his role as a defensive midfielder he'll be one hell of an asset too, as we don't really have anyone to replace Carrick as the anchor in midfield once he's gone. He'll need to expand his passing game, but he's doing well with with the rest of it. Also our set pieces are bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 He'll need to expand his passing game, but he's doing well with with the rest of it.Also our set pieces are bollocks. That's because Barkley doesn't have a brain. He is pretty much the Waterboy in a football shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 And if Dier can cement his role as a defensive midfielder he'll be one hell of an asset too, as we don't really have anyone to replace Carrick as the anchor in midfield once he's gone. Carrick shouldn't be considered in m opinion anyway. If dier keeps playing this role every week for spurs then he is definitely in with a shout. There will be a lot of midfielders pushing for a spot if everyone is fit but alli and dier both have attributes that we would lack without them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Should ask Beckham to come in and do some set piece coaching. Seemed to be one of the only things Brooklyn looked decent at in the charity game at the weekend. Becks could probably get some of these lads playing better set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Carrick shouldn't be considered in m opinion anyway. If dier keeps playing this role every week for spurs then he is definitely in with a shout. There will be a lot of midfielders pushing for a spot if everyone is fit but alli and dier both have attributes that we would lack without them Carrick is still better than Dier, and has experience that this side lacks in key areas. Dier can still learn a lot from him too, doesnt need to be one or the other. Ideally you'd take both of them for that DM spot, being the only two holding mids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Wait what's Bertrand gonna do, he's a left-back Must've gone to a 4-4-2 with Bertrand as LM and Alli (?) and Rooney up front. Or a 4-5-1 with Rooney as lone striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Well there we go, a fairly comfortable 2-0 win. Rooney looked like he was starting to show the odd flash of his old self again, I think he works better out wide with Kane in the middle as Rooney likes to wander. Alli looks like a real prospect, while Dier looks like he can be the long term holding midfielder we need (he just needs a bit of passing tutelage from Carrick, or Beckham if we ask him to help coach the Euro 2016 squad). Stones and Smalling are my choices to start in the centre of defence at the Euros, barring injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Alli and Dier look good together and considering that's our weakest positions it's good have a partnership which could really develop over the remainder of the season. But realistically you can't really take much out of this game for obvious reasons. Wait till the Germany game. Hope we get some more of our injured players back for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Dier was okay I thought, nothing more. Sometimes left the midfield area very vacant as he was drawn out. On the ball has a lot to learn also. Alli is a very good prospect. Not sure if he is a superstar like Gerrard, Rooney etc were but I would be surprised if he isn't consistently involved with England over the next 10 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just thinking about the central midfield options in the summer, and assuming Alli continues doing what he's doing, and Dier is the solid DM who helps Spurs claim a top 4 finish, where does that leave the squad? If everyone's fit, we have: Wilshere Carrick Alli Dier Barkley Oxlade Milner Henderson Shelvey Delph I think that's it. You can only have 5, maybe 6 if they can play out wide. Who would you take? Wilshere is a must for me, we don't have anyone as confortable on the ball like him, and his drive is infectious. I think Milner's time is up personally. He's good, but he's been shocking for Liverpool recently and I'd prefer to see Alli (if he keeps this up) in his place. I don't see what Henderson brings to England, he's never performed, but I'd have him over Shelvey, who's not an international player. Carrick if fit needs to be in there, although I'm wary about his ability to play games that bunched up. Dier as another DM? He can also double up as a defender if needed, so I think he might be worth a shout. can't really see what Phil Jones' has got that gives him the right to claim that DM/D role over him ability wise. I don't particularly like the Waterboy, but Barkley is a good option to have off the bench so I'll take him. Also, I'd love for Oxlade to reach his potential, the fact he can play anywhere across the front and midfield is a bonus. Leaving Delph, Shelvey, Milner at home for me I think. It's a tricky one, glad to see we've got more options now as that midfield was looking bare a few months back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Dier was okay I thought, nothing more. Sometimes left the midfield area very vacant as he was drawn out. On the ball has a lot to learn also.Alli is a very good prospect. Not sure if he is a superstar like Gerrard, Rooney etc were but I would be surprised if he isn't consistently involved with England over the next 10 years Do we want him to be a superstar like Gerrard and Rooney? A combative midfielder that can control play and score the odd belter is more than good enough, and can avoid the overhype that superstars get. I'd much prefer someone like Paul Scholes to Gerrard. Someone who never really became a "superstar" player and generally just got the job done. Scholes was never particularly hyped by the media and fans when he was younger (that I remember) and he kept a rather quiet life out of the public eye but he was seen by fellow players as one of the best in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I remember Hoddle saying we should build the England team around Scholes ... that's some hype right there Was a good performance. I think France missing some top players but we always miss top players too. They are probably better than us but like to think we could be competitive in a tournament match and see how it went. However, that team last night they started with I didn't think was super amazing so would have been disappointed to not get something Pogba is such a great player though. Wonder how long Juve can stop the big money vultures from circling for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I didn't watch the game but did Lingard play at all? I'd have liked to have seen Ward-Prowse get a call up. Excellent young player and could be the answer to the set piece troubles we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No Lingard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just thinking about the central midfield options in the summer, and assuming Alli continues doing what he's doing, and Dier is the solid DM who helps Spurs claim a top 4 finish, where does that leave the squad?If everyone's fit, we have: Wilshere Carrick Alli Dier Barkley Oxlade Milner Henderson Shelvey Delph I think that's it. You can only have 5, maybe 6 if they can play out wide. Who would you take? Wilshere is a must for me, we don't have anyone as confortable on the ball like him, and his drive is infectious. I think Milner's time is up personally. He's good, but he's been shocking for Liverpool recently and I'd prefer to see Alli (if he keeps this up) in his place. I don't see what Henderson brings to England, he's never performed, but I'd have him over Shelvey, who's not an international player. Carrick if fit needs to be in there, although I'm wary about his ability to play games that bunched up. Dier as another DM? He can also double up as a defender if needed, so I think he might be worth a shout. can't really see what Phil Jones' has got that gives him the right to claim that DM/D role over him ability wise. I don't particularly like the Waterboy, but Barkley is a good option to have off the bench so I'll take him. Also, I'd love for Oxlade to reach his potential, the fact he can play anywhere across the front and midfield is a bonus. Leaving Delph, Shelvey, Milner at home for me I think. It's a tricky one, glad to see we've got more options now as that midfield was looking bare a few months back. You say you don't see what Henderson brings to England but Carrick has never brought anything for England, barely performed and now is injury prone, older than time and slower than Pavarotti running through Marmite. He also looked useless against Spain. His time has been up for years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Do we want him to be a superstar like Gerrard and Rooney? A combative midfielder that can control play and score the odd belter is more than good enough, and can avoid the overhype that superstars get. I'd much prefer someone like Paul Scholes to Gerrard. Someone who never really became a "superstar" player and generally just got the job done. Scholes was never particularly hyped by the media and fans when he was younger (that I remember) and he kept a rather quiet life out of the public eye but he was seen by fellow players as one of the best in the game. Scholes was a superstar. He is now overrated it is just a lot of it came too late and he was under-appreciated for a long time. I was referring mostly to Alli's ability not sure he will ever become a truly top class player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgreenio Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 did people not think Alli was looking pedestrian and out of his depth before he scored? Seems like we're massively over-hyping him (if that's a phrase) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Scholes was never particularly hyped by the media and fans when he was youngerThey're certainly making up for that now.But you're right, international football is about control, intelligence and tactical nous, and Scholes was one of the few 00s era England players that had that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Find it a bit weird when players who clearly didn't care that much about playing for England, get paid loads in the press to slate current England players. Shearer is another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 did people not think Alli was looking pedestrian and out of his depth before he scored? Seems like we're massively over-hyping him (if that's a phrase) Not at all - if anything he was looking a bit nervous and over-enthusiastic I though (the complete opposite of pedestrian). His energy and willingness to try and make things happen was encouraging, if he can keep it up he'll be a real asset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Find it a bit weird when players who clearly didn't care that much about playing for England' date=' get paid loads in the press to slate current England players. Shearer is another one.[/quote']most people who don't care much about England are happy to slate England for free! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just thinking about the central midfield options in the summer, and assuming Alli continues doing what he's doing, and Dier is the solid DM who helps Spurs claim a top 4 finish, where does that leave the squad?If everyone's fit, we have: Wilshere Carrick Alli Dier Barkley Oxlade Milner Henderson Shelvey Delph I think that's it. You can only have 5, maybe 6 if they can play out wide. Who would you take? [snip to stop the quote taking up the page] Wilshere, Barkley, Henderson, Delph, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Dier (if he plays there all season and doesn't turn ****), Milner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just thinking about the central midfield options in the summer, and assuming Alli continues doing what he's doing, and Dier is the solid DM who helps Spurs claim a top 4 finish, where does that leave the squad?If everyone's fit, we have: Wilshere Carrick Alli Dier Barkley Oxlade Milner Henderson Shelvey Delph . Carrick Dier Wilshere Alli Barkley Oxlade-Chamberlain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Wilshere, Henderson, Carrick, Delph/Alli, Dier. Chamberlain goes as a winger. First three should be our first choice midfield trio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Wilshere, Henderson, Carrick, Delph/Alli, Dier. Chamberlain goes as a winger. First three should be our first choice midfield trio. Iv'e picked AOC as my 6th as he can cover both the wing and the most aggressive of the centre mids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Wilshere, Henderson, Carrick, Delph/Alli, Dier. Chamberlain goes as a winger. First three should be our first choice midfield trio. Those 5 (Alli over Delph) but also as frustrating as he can be, I think Barkley has to go as he can be a great bench option and has the potential to be one of our biggest game changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Yeah that is what I see him as. I don't think he is actually that good at CM but he could cover Wilshere pretty well. I think that trio is really well balanced and it gets the best out of our best CM (Wilshere) who works better in a 1-2 set up and having someone who makes off the ball runs. Henderson likewise will benefit from Wilshere's strengths Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Barkley won't be competing with them. Barkley is an AMC, the rest on Bliss' list (AOC aside) are all deep-lying CMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Those 5 (Alli over Delph) but also as frustrating as he can be, I think Barkley has to go as he can be a great bench option and has the potential to be one of our biggest game changes. He does it so rarely though and more often than not flatters to deceive by beating 5 men then doing something terrible with it. I think he has absurd talent but I think he could do with being dropped with the aim of sending the message to him to work on those parts of his game. Though given our general shortage of good CMs it is pretty easy to justify his inclusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Out of those options, Barkley and Wilshere are the only two I'd consider good enough at transitioning play from defence to attack, which is going to be a key part for whoever plays in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Barkley won't be competing with them. Barkley is an AMC, the rest on Bliss' list (AOC aside) are all deep-lying CMs. Barkley can play CM in a 1-2. In fact I think it would suit him much more anyway. Allows him to carry the ball and doesn't show his short comings as much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Barkley won't be competing with them. Barkley is an AMC, the rest on Bliss' list (AOC aside) are all deep-lying CMs. I'd play Barkley much deeper than AMC, his ability on the ball and his ball carrying would be a key part of our counter attacking play. Also I think his decision making in and around the penalty area isn't up to scratch yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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