aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Yeah but brave John Terry shows all the PASSION and GRIT, he's one of the lads is JT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
given1legend Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I don't think the Rooney stuff is scapegoating, Gerrard, Lampard, Johnson have all had similar levels of criticism, Lampard has rightly been dropped to squad member, and Gerrard and Johnson just don't have any adequate replacements. The reason there's more focus on Rooney is because we do have other options. That's spot on. We have other options but people respond by saying he's our best player and he could perform, even though he isn't as good as Sturridge up front or a number of players as an attacking midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Glenn Hoddle's England teams are ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Glenn Hoddle's England teams are ridiculous Was amazed when i saw his line up to say the least. Rooney and Lallana at CM, jesus christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Stayed in the World Cup longer than Spain \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 By virtue of being in a later group, If Uruguay had defeated CR you guys would've been in real trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Stayed in the World Cup longer than Spain \o/ Imagine if we were offered that beforehand. Bite their hands off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jun/18/england-steven-gerrard-vital-message-uruguay Gerrard says it will be a long and terrible summer if we don't get it right against Uruguay Jeez, depressing, much? Give that psych a bell, ffs. You can really see his mindset, can't you. Going into this game today and he's thinking about what will happen if we lose and not personally but in the bloody media by the sounds of it :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Was amazed when i saw his line up to say the least. Rooney and Lallana at CM, jesus christ. This is Glenn Hoddle who played David Beckham as a wing back and we played fb, Hoddle is by far the best manager we've had in my generation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Tactically Hoddle was excellent. We played decent football under him too. It was only when our team got better and with Sven that we started playing terribly I remember the Beckham stories. Hoddle pulling him up in training cause his free kicks weren't good enough and then knocking in free kicks himself. Doesn't like Beckham cause he's not as good as him. All this anti-Beckham stuff was bubbling under even before the Argentina game. Most likely they were all rubbish Shame Glenn went proper mental though and he was never great with people, I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hoddle also saw his error early on and dropped Sheringham for Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think that was an easy one tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Christ even Strachan was having a go at Hoddle's team selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I haven't seen it btw so id someone wants to post it I just think Hoddle was amazing for England, wouldn't just dismiss anything he has to say about selection and where to play people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hoddle was like Keane and Souness, they can see things tactically but can't express them very well. The case of being so frustrated with other players because as players themselves they just knew what to do and why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I haven't seen it btw so id someone wants to post it I just think Hoddle was amazing for England, wouldn't just dismiss anything he has to say about selection and where to play people Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Gerrard Rooney Lallana Sterling Sturridge Wellbeck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 If Hoddle was the manager i'm sure he could make it work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 That's the thing. I am sure he has it in his mind how he'd want them to play He did go Lampard/Gerrard for Italy though and not sure about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Glenn knew how to play against Italy That was another thing with him, he wouldn't just stick with an 11 for each game, he'd actually approach each game tactically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 why isnt he managing anymore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 He is also the holder of the Le Tournoi We did lose that qualifier at home to Italy (thanks, Ian Walker, near post grrrr) but that was all about Hoddle exorcising his own demons of not being capped more by calling up Hoddle-lite le Tissier for his 'big chance' In typically English fashion Le Tiss missed a decent header IIRC and Zola hit the winner. Away game was awesome though, so intense and the team just handled it well. Saw it out, should have won tbh but Hoddle was excellent at that It's a shame we buggered up our 1998 group against Romania and played Argentina in the next round. Romania played Croatia, granted good team at the time but that early in the tournament who knows, might have beat them. Nearly beat the Argies Bloody Romania Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Getting beat 1-0 by Italy in 1997 was nothing to be ashamed of, their side was amazing Perruzi, Ferrara, Maldini, Baggio, Cannavaro, Costacurta, Di Livio, Di Matteo, Casiraghi (Ravanelli 77 mins), Albertini, Zola (Fuser 90 mins).Subs Not Used: Toldo, Nesta, Benarrivo, Del Piero, Chiesa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 This is Glenn Hoddle who played David Beckham as a wing back and we played fb, Hoddle is by far the best manager we've had in my generation This man for me... Euro 96 is when England were playing genuine world class football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Wouldn't say we played world class football under Venables, we had that great game against Holland, but there was also dull games against Switzerland and Spain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 That Swiss one was pretty nervy though, first game and at home in England. I just loved that England team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolsgold Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I just loved football from that period. Bearing in mind that until Sturridge we've been struggling for a top striker recently. Back in that period over the course of say 5 years, we had Shearer, Sheringham, Fowler, Owen, Wright, Dublin, Huckerby, Cole, Sutton, Ferdinand, etc. Not all of them are amazing but still, what a much better selection than today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 That Swiss one was pretty nervy though, first game and at home in England. I just loved that England team. Even the Scotland game was a struggle, they should have scored from the penalty spot and then it was only a piece of magic from Gazza that settled the game Euro 96 is also my favourite tournament, but I wouldn't say Venables was a better manager than Hoddle. Venables had no worries over qualifying and was leaving the job after the tournament anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I haven't seen it btw so id someone wants to post it I just think Hoddle was amazing for England, wouldn't just dismiss anything he has to say about selection and where to play people The best football I've ever seen England play was during 98, but to say Hoddle's was amazing is a major oversight. He was divisive and gave prefrential treatment to his favourites, he scrapped through the qualifying campaign, tried to implement ridiculous ideas such as playing Redknapp as a sweeper and lets not forget how he tried to get the team to pray together before every match. He obviously has a tactical philosophy which he's tried to implement throughout his carer (see wolves with Anderton as a deep lying playmaker in a 5-3-2) with very little sucess, and he's a dinosaur of the game and we'd have struggled beyond 98 if he was still in charge. Would have been better than Keegan mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Even the Scotland game was a struggle, they should have scored from the penalty spot and then it was only a piece of magic from Gazza that settled the game Euro 96 is also my favourite tournament, but I wouldn't say Venables was a better manager than Hoddle. Venables had no worries over qualifying and was leaving the job after the tournament anyway Exactly. We've always viewed 96 romantically, but it was far from perfect. We had so much luck on our side vs Spain, they really should have won that game. Out of the 5 games, we only really played well (anything approaching 'world class') in 2 - Holland and Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Cartman - just how closely related to Hoddle are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 We had an amazing Italy side in our qualifying group, saying he scraped through is a complete disservice. That Italy side went to the Q/F and were only beaten on penalties by France who went on to win the thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Even the Scotland game was a struggle, they should have scored from the penalty spot and then it was only a piece of magic from Gazza and Uri Geller that settled the game Fixed for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 We had an amazing Italy side in our qualifying group, saying he scraped through is a complete disservice. That Italy side went to the Q/F and were only beaten on penalties by France who went on to win the thing Just had a read through and memory does me a disservice, you're right, but it wasn't at all comfortable. Remember losing to Italy at wembley and it felt like it was all over, but then Poland did us a favour by drawing with them at home. That's back in the day when qualifying was difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 It's hard to say Venables cause he really just had the tournament and we didn't qualify so we never saw him on a wet tuesday in, erm, Moldova Under Hoddle Italy did us a favour by not beating Moldova away IIRC which is delightfully Italian of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortie Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 ahhh just loved Euro 96! i was 10, so was fully in love with football if you know what i mean. playing every day, at school and after, collecting the stickers etc. when we played i always wanted to be Seedorf for some reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hoddle doesn't like defensive midfielders or water carrier energetic types. He wants every midfielder to be box to box and be able to tackle, pass and score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 He did get Swindon into the Premiership though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 He used to play Ince and Batty regularly in the same side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 and lets not forget how he tried to get the team to pray together before every match. Is that really any different than forcing players to sing the national anthem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yes, very different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Is that really any different than forcing players to sing the national anthem? Did you actually have to ask that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 We played some great stuff under Hoddle- great footballing brain, just shocking man management. Under Sven we did pretty well initially, also Capello made a good start- remember how optimistic we were after the 5-1 Croatia win? In some ways Sven was unlucky (although, he had a very talented bunch of players), penalty shootout luck against Portugal and then suddenly there's two semis. I think he really screwed up during 2006 though, Owen/Rooney with injury issues, so the idiot asks Wenger about Walcott and then calls him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hoddle's 60% win rate during his spell as manager is only bettered by Sir Alf Ramsey and Fabio Capello. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Big fan of Gerrard never playing for England again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 **** off gerrard **** off gerrard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Urgh Just really bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Meh, still better then 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 To be fair we played ok, when you look at the actual starting its actually average at the very best. To get level in both games and then toss it away is hilarious though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Rooney messed up quite a few chances that you just know Suarez or most of the teams in the world cup's top striker wouldn't have. It's not like we didn't create anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Awww what's wrong CP, trying to shift blame from Stevie G??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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