themadsheep2001 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Can we get rid of Johnson please? Not until after the world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 and replace him with either smalling or jones? or Clynne, Walker, Me, a cardboard cutout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 People wanting Hodgson sacked, who would you want to replace him with? If they want to go English they will be scraping the barrel. Would be looking at Redknapp? Pullis? Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 you missed Moyes off the list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I don't think there's any reasonable person that want Hodgson sacked? only the daily mail clickbait crew and Liverpool fans are pretty much the only anti-roy people i've seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 People wanting Hodgson sacked, who would you want to replace him with?If they want to go English they will be scraping the barrel. Would be looking at Redknapp? Pullis? Pardew? you missed Moyes off the list hmmm........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 there are no good English Managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Demon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Pardew would be a hilarious choice, make that happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Tim Sherwood? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 hmmm........ You were OK with HOVI calling Pulis English, but Moyes is a step too far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Pretty funny comments from a Norwegian fan on Reddit about what it is like being a Norway fan: Imagine you're dating this girl, and you have planned to go this cool party that you've been looking forward to for months. Hell, you even put this in your calendar long, long before that. You attended it once in 1994 and you had a blast and can't wait to get back. Then the night comes and you are ready to go. That bitch stays in the bathroom getting ready all night long, never getting done. You never get to go to that ****ing party. Ever. Even better than that though is this reply from an England fan: At least you're not England. You go to the party dressed to impress, haven't got laid since '66 and this is the year your swollen bollocks get their sweet relief. But like the year before, and the year before that, you get blind drunk in the first half an hour and throw up all over the carpet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I would like us to go after Martinez, admittedly doesnt have any international experience ( or ven much with a big team ) but i think his is the right sort of philosophy going forward for the NT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You were OK with HOVI calling Pulis English, but Moyes is a step too far? Ha genuinely didn't know he was welsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ha genuinely didn't know he was welsh Is it because he wasn't holding a rugby ball and/or daffodil? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I almost hope Italy fail to win, we really don't deserve to go through. Would feel different if we had showed any real signs of life against Uruguay but we were terrible. It was never an easy group with Italy and Uruguay and if we'd lost both those games due to bad luck or poor refereeing then I'd feel differently, but we just don't deserve to get through due to being the least **** out of us, Uruguay and Costa Rica. We'll only either lose to Colombia/Japan/Ivory Coast or scrape through and get absolutely ruined by a top side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I almost hope Italy fail to win, we really don't deserve to go through. Would feel different if we had showed any real signs of life against Uruguay but we were terrible. It was never an easy group with Italy and Uruguay and if we'd lost both those games due to bad luck or poor refereeing then I'd feel differently, but we just don't deserve to get through due to being the least **** out of us, Uruguay and Costa Rica.We'll only either lose to Colombia/Japan/Ivory Coast or scrape through and get absolutely ruined by a top side. Agreed. If you lose your first two games then you don't deserve to go through. Can't bring myself to cheer on the Italians. Even if things went our way, we'll only either **** up against Costa Rica or get knocked out in the round of 16 anyway. Just put us out of our misery now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ha genuinely didn't know he was welsh Makes two of us!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 you missed Moyes off the list A Scot in charge of the English national team? Yeah, that will go down well! Even Sir Alex didn't go there. He knew it would be suicide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 whoever goes through deserves to go through unless it comes down to drawing straws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 *sigh* Why do we think it'll be different? For the first time in a long time we can't fault the build up. No tensions, controversies, injuries and all that usual stuff we actually had a decent build up. Good camp, good attitude, good feeling and vibes and Roys speaks well but ... still wasn't good enough Yes, we played pretty decent against Italy but we still lost. I was feeling pretty confident but almost as soon as the game kicked off last night I felt less confident. We started the game like a team that had lost its first group game. I think one of the worst things to say is that we're now playing 'knockout football' as we bloody struggle with that This is why I keep saying I am fed up listening to what the players have to say. I don't care about lower expectations. My expectations are always about the same. Let's try to play well, results can follow. Bit of luck and we are capable of beating a number of teams if it all comes together. I don't want to hear how happy the players are or how confident they are. They can say it as much as they like but they are convincing themselves, it's patentily obvious that they were still nervous and edgy. They cannot cast off the shackles and it's partly mental Gone are the days when we could rely on a top quality defensive unit to keep us in games. We have played far worse and gone further in tournaments. Worse teams than us have also gone out in group stages but it's just familiar problems. You could argue in terms of seedings it's about right but the entire first half we are ineffective. Just nervoue, edgy and no penetration. We cause our own undoing time and time again I think possession for us means everyone taking too many touches. We went back to many times when players could have been braver. Gone past a man and the worst thing about last night .. lack of freaking movement from those ahead when we had the ball. Terrible We had a decent 25 minutes and so pleased for Rooney and then you think 'there it is', I honestly didn't even think of losing the game after that. I thought we'd have a few bites but it'll probably be a draw but finish the game stronger, feel we are growing into the tournament going into the last game That 2nd Uruguay goal was absolutely criminal Well, first one wasn't great. Horrible midfield play and just not reading what's happening. There is definitely a space in that central defence as I am not convinced about Jagielka as a long term solution. I hope van Gaal's record of working with players brings Smalling and Jones along! Defence is a major issue for us and also the screen in front of defence. It's no coincidence perhaps that Liverpool also conceeded a lot of goals. The punt upfield was stupid. What a goal to lose to, ffs I was fuming. I didn't have that inevitable feeling I had in other England games (Croatia, McClaren, etc) as I thought we pulled out of it but that was like 'what the actul **** just happened'. I have no idea what the centre backs were doing either, reminded me Germany game in last World Cup ... that should be food and drink, regardless of Gerrard's touch It doesn't matter experienced team, younger team, which manager, how hard the group we do it time and time again. We just cannot play these tournaments. We cannot handle these 8 or 9 days, we cannot get it done There's small incidents, chances and stuff but this is football, that is what happens in football. Rooney's chance, ffs. Bordering on 'sitter' for me last night. These are the moments that change everything and we just do not grasp them So annoyed. I don't care about Italy winning this or winning that, it's freaking done, we're out. I refuse to hang on these results now. Just go and try to beat Costa Rica and move on. There is no point singling out players much other than this was not Gerrard's tournament and he should be stepping down now. No point in sacking Roy, I think he's doing good work, we need some continuity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wow, that's long. I could go on but to sum it .. am ****ing annoyed and disappointed Anyone else think Roy has been bullied into not playing Milner? All this talk of attack and stuff but maybe last night was a game for Milner even? Bah, too late anyway We always end up here but so bloody annoying to not even get out the group, ffs. All the abject displays in the past but we always made it out the group. First time since 1958 in World Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You got it right: lack of movement is the key reason we cannot keep possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think it comes from fear. If you're not moving then you're not available to receive the ball thereby removing responsibility for the ball. It's a mindset. You can't do anything wrong if you don't make a mistake, etc How many times did we check back? We had to check back. Uruguay also pressed up quite high wheres we didn't engage them high at all, let them bring it out Rooney did ok but looked better when Barkley came out. It doesn't matter who comes on until we address these other issues. I think it's self-fulfilling now, we expect failure, we are used to this. Uruguay got battered in their opening game and were awful BUT they come out and play positive (granted, they had Suarez back) There's Pirlo that caused us problems and Suarez and we knew they'd be danger men and they both hurt us. Uruguay had that Ledosio (??) pushed right up on Gerrard like a diamond and we're hitting balls long from first minute and never bringing it out. It never got corrected Just ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The thing that angers me, is people giving Hodgson and the team a get out of jail card, due to us having no real expectations, and it being a "tough" group, how tough did it look to Costa Rica??? Look at the likes of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, please don't tell me man for man they are better than us, but what they have over us is passion, commitment, playing without fear, and tactical nous from their management teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We had easy groups, tough groups. Doesn't matter. Just matters how you play. Ok against Italy but disappointing yesterday when it really mattered Also talking about our squad like they're U21s, there's plenty there to be more competitive than they were yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The thing that angers me, is people giving Hodgson and the team a get out of jail card, due to us having no real expectations, and it being a "tough" group, how tough did it look to Costa Rica???Look at the likes of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, please don't tell me man for man they are better than us, but what they have over us is passion, commitment, playing without fear, and tactical nous from their management teams. Costa Rica, the "whipping boys" of the group are 45 minutes away from qualifying for the next round before anyone else in the group. Why? Because they play like they have nothing to lose and enjoy it. England haven't had that since.... Well, not in my lifetime. The fault for that lies squarely on the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Look at the likes of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, please don't tell me man for man they are better than us, but what they have over us is passion, commitment, playing without fear, and tactical nous from their management teams. Most importantly they build a side that suits the team, not squeeze in all the best individuals they possibly can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Media, well yes and no, but I am sure the media is just the same in most countries, the blame has to lie with the management team, it's their jobs to make sure players are in the right frame of mind. Dyke just announced Roy will stay until 2016, that's that then, see you in 2017 when I may re-gain some form of interest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Roy staying on until 2016 then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Anyone else think Roy has been bullied into not playing Milner? All this talk of attack and stuff but maybe last night was a game for Milner even? Bah, too late anywaySuper Welbz must play at all times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Said it in the other thread. Most of England's players at domestic level are massively overhyped. Made out to be world class when they clearly aren't. We don't have any world class players. We hsve some good players that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Said it in the other thread. Most of England's players at domestic level are massively overhyped. Made out to be world class when they clearly aren't. We don't have any world class players. We hsve some good players that's it But what about the likes of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica etc, who all go out and perform to the best of their abilities, have all been entertaining, and most importantly have all been getting results, are our players really not as good as theirs? I don't think anyone is seriously expecting us to go and give Germany a good battering, but we seem to be on a tier lower than these countries. How long before we end up like Scotland, never even qualifying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I don't think the passion is there with England. Playerd claim its an honour to put on an England shirt, but at the same time fake injury to get out of friendlies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Agree with that, and it is just one of the many many reasons why the FA have made a mistake sticking with Hodgson, how are the players supposed to be passionate, when their manager has all the passion of a plank of wood? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I don't blame him, it was the same under the last few managers we had. Its the players who are to blame. Didn't Carrick a few years ago say he doesn't want to play for England if all he will be is a sub? Its yhat mentality that ****s us over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Perhaps we should call up 23 fans? Can't do any worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 World Class is thrown around too much. The players don't all need to be world class. Are Costa Rica world class? They can play and perform in the CL and Premier League, they clearly have the ability but maybe not the intelligence. It's just these actual matches, the big important matches we can't handle. So, so fragile. We cannot string a couple of consistent games together in a tournament with all the preparation and talk that goes into it They cannot be relaxed and play positively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The media don't help either. Who would want the job when the media are waiting and making stories up to see you fail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 But what about the likes of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica etc, who all go out and perform to the best of their abilities, have all been entertaining, and most importantly have all been getting results, are our players really not as good as theirs? I don't think anyone is seriously expecting us to go and give Germany a good battering, but we seem to be on a tier lower than these countries. How long before we end up like Scotland, never even qualifying? Our players are overhyped beyond belief. I do not think man for man we are that much better than all these teams we think are minnows. We need more of our players playing week in, week out at their clubs in their best position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Being out after 2 group games is a first for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 First time since 58 we've gone out in the group stages of a World Cup. Have we ever lost all three games at a major tournament? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 World Class is thrown around too much. The players don't all need to be world class. Are Costa Rica world class? They can play and perform in the CL and Premier League, they clearly have the ability but maybe not the intelligence. It's just these actual matches, the big important matches we can't handle. So, so fragile. We cannot string a couple of consistent games together in a tournament with all the preparation and talk that goes into itThey cannot be relaxed and play positively How many players truly are "world class" anyway? 5? 6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_oc16 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Roy can take those chances with the XI in the last game then, may as try and get something out of it by giving other players a chance and see if you can get a positive performance or two to look ahead to Euro qualifying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 First time in ages theres very little expectation beforehand and were out after 2 games On the plus side i can just enjoy the tournament now and not watch england go out on penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 How many players truly are "world class" anyway? 5? 6? In terms around the world, yes, if that Then people start referring to anyone who's done something half decent as world class and it gets silly. Time and again we see teams at World Cups doing well, having good runs and they play for teams from far and wide ... you don't need a team of United, Chelsea and Barca players to do well (it helps) but it's not impossible without, certainly not essential We make a simple game very difficult Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I don't blame him, it was the same under the last few managers we had. Its the players who are to blame. Didn't Carrick a few years ago say he doesn't want to play for England if all he will be is a sub? Its yhat mentality that ****s us over should point out that's not what he said. And are we still making this passion argument? I always find it weird how everyone seems to know that theses players definitely don't have passion (how?), ignoring the things that are also really important (organisation, style). Coast Rica didn't win because of passion (alone). Their set up was fantastic and they executed their game plan brilliantly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 In a way. Thank God for being out already. Play the kids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 In a way. Thank God for being out already. Play the kids In a way there's no point if Roy doesn't have a clear vision for tactics/style. Rooney is clearly going to still be involved till the Euros so if Sturridge remains in form means Rooney will still be played as N10 meaning no Barkley or Barkley shoved out wide likewise Sterling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMT Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Well the pundits all got Group D right then, 3 good teams who would take points off each other, and 1 team of whipping boys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Anyone know what airport the players land at? Going to try and get a facebook group up so we can organise a mass boo when they arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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