Baptista_8 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Below average, sluggish sloppy performances. Costing the team with poor attitude/stupid suspensions. I'd have bought him off for either Ox or Defoe yesterday if half our team weren't so shattered. I'd take the Rooney from 2004 over the one in 2012 any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustardpower Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Don't really think that he has a poor attitude but obviously the stamp on Carvalho and him being suspended for the first few games wasn't very helpful. He didn't have the best of games yesterday but its hard as a striker when you're living on scraps from Carroll headers and being marked by two centre backs all the time. Also didn't help him that England rarely pushed up so when he did get the ball he was outnumbered and 40 yards from goal. Obviously, he did have probably one of our best chances yesterday but we didn't really try to attack other than set pieces. I think he played better for England in the Euro's because he was allowed to go where he wanted rather than be the main goalscoring striker and was more aggressive with his dribbling and more direct. Maybe we need to be more attacking to get the best out of him and risk us conceding a few more than trying to win 1-0 etc from set pieces or counter attacks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hey. at least he scored this time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ukraine added to the list of major International powerhouses who he's scored against Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Never saw the game yesterday due to being on a plane, but I said this before the tournament, will wait to watch the match before saying anything more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You don't need a crystal ball to predict Rooney will be rubbish for England though. More of a given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Which attacking players have been good for England in a major tournament since 2004? Oh none? I wonder why... Lets forget he was easily our best player in the 2010 World Cup qualification though... it's not like we ever don't qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powlay Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 someone would have brought on a winger in Chamberlain for Rooney. Clever that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puevlo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Still the greatest player in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lermon Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 he wasn't great in the Ukraine game, just fortunately got on the end of a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 would be nice if we had some creativity to feed him with in the first place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 can't expect him to do this on his own. your team is not terrible, but it's not good either. If Gerrard hadn't been in such great form these past couple of matches, I doubt you'd have made it out of your group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 someone would have brought on a winger in Chamberlain for Rooney.Clever that. Wow, someone playing in a different position to their natural one! He couldn't have been much worse than Rooney, and could definitely see him playing the behind the striker role very well. We needed something more than what Rooney was offering, which was very little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Isn't the same player. Not as direct or spontaneous, been too indulged with this playmaker lark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 He was a much better spontaneous (good word) forward than he is a composed play-maker. He'll naturally get involved in the game when played up-front, but he's been told to do too much of that, looks like he slows play down too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Exactly, the explosive Rooney was much better for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zvonimir Boban Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 He hasn't been the same since Heskey retired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 2010 WC qualifiers, top goal scorer in europe wasn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Wiki says no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Goalscorers Joint second with Dzeko, behind a Greek fella Amazing stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 tbf to him, every time he got the ball yesterday he was just surrounded by players. I don't think he has been as poor as people make out since 2004, but of course, underachieved. Bearing in mind he was PFA runner up this year, winner two years ago and outstanding the last half of the 10-11 season, you have to ask questions about England too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 2010 WC qualifiers, top goal scorer in europe wasn't he? Fair enough, to answer the question though, a solid contribution to England, given we didn't even qualify for the tournament before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 England need to stop relying on him like he is this special player we need to win matches. We have shown we dont but no manager has the balls to drop him when he clearly doesnt perform for England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indaro Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Rooney is a good player,quite clearly England's best forward. It's not his fault people built him up to be the white Pele and stuck him in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 We need to stop relying on players to win matches and start winning them as a team, any attacking unit we can field is better with Rooney involved if they actually play as a unit, rather than giving him the ball 4v1 and expecting him to win it. He's not someone who creates chances from nothing, he creates chances for others as a by-product of trying to get on the end of things and score goals, something he's (by a quite pathetically colossal distance considering the size of our country) the best in England at. He's our only 20 goal a season striker, we need to start providing for him and stop expecting him to do a central midfielders job because ours isn't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fwiw, Rooney is very highly rated by the Italian media. Messi, Ronaldo, then Rooney for a lot of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Glad to hear that Astafjevs. He is streets ahead of other players in the team and diontheace is spot on tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Doesn't Darren Bent count as a 20 goal a season man? I'm sure he will be involved heavily for the 2014 campaign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 waste of time him even getting on a plane "Enough is enough! I have had it with this mother****ing rooney on this mother****ing plane!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I actually laughed at that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Doesn't Darren Bent count as a 20 goal a season man? I'm sure he will be involved heavily for the 2014 campaign. Possibly, he's not as prolific as Rooney though and I doubt he'll feature much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 He might not be performing for you guys, but am still thankful for him stamping on Carvalho's balls, that game was looking difficult and the red card was very useful for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Fwiw, Rooney is very highly rated by the Italian media. Messi, Ronaldo, then Rooney for a lot of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Wiki says no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#GoalscorersJoint second with Dzeko, behind a Greek fella Amazing stuff. 7 against Kazakhstan, Andorra, Belarus Oh and 2 against Croatia Does it count if you only show up to the pre-party? Rooney is talented as hell, but he hasn't shown up since 2006. Unlike other strikers, he's regressing with age in England's shirt He needs to start scoring in tournaments, not in the glorified qualifier ceremonies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 What did he do in 2006? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 someone's granny was it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 Came back from injury and got sent off in his first game back against Portugal IIRC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 I'm wrong, he played against Sweden and Ecuador at the 2006 WC also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yeah, figured Noob was wrong again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjani'sBootCleaner Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Wiki says no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#GoalscorersJoint second with Dzeko, behind a Greek fella Amazing stuff. Paul Hart choking at this list. Gekas not good enough to play for a relegation threatened Pompey, as he isn't English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yeah, figured Noob was wrong again. Bit harsh..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yeah, figured Noob was wrong again. I meant he hasn't scored against a massive opponent since 2006 (Holland), way to think small Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 All of the so called golden generation has done nothing, and I can't wait until they all are gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPS Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I meant he hasn't scored against a massive opponent since 2006 He's scored several times against City and they're famous for being massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I meant he hasn't scored against a massive opponent since 2006 (Holland), way to think small No you weren't , you don't think anyone is going to believe that do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 And you're taking your stanning duties a bit too much, hope he pays you enough he hasn't shown up since 2006. Unlike other strikers, he's regressing with age in England's shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 And you're taking your stanning duties a bit too much, hope he pays you enough Yeah, you were talking about 5 yard tap in in a friendly rather than getting 2004 and 2006 mixed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I was reading from Wiki, otherwise why would I talk about the sh*t teams he scored against in the Qs I was talking about his goalscoring first before getting to the last sentence about his tournaments and he scored after WC 2006 against Holland, innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yeah sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 All of the so called golden generation has done nothing, and I can't wait until they all are gone. Harsh on Lampard and Cole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Isn't Beckham part of the Golden Generation? He did a fair bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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