Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 16, 2011 Author Administrators Share Posted December 16, 2011 am I right in asuming that there was no databas update on this patch? No updates, still the 12.0.0 db. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 16, 2011 Author Administrators Share Posted December 16, 2011 - User now gets to pick their feeder club when the board agree to allow the user to pick their own team rather than just pick from suggested clubs.Can you tell me if the success rate when I do pick my own club has increased from previous versions? Do we need to check club reputation in FMRTE to make sure that the target club is in a proper range compared to our club, because the gap between the lower levels of "National" and "Continental" is so immense that it is not very useful. I suppose over half the clubs in the world have "national" reputation... Maybe the board could hint a bit as to what kind of club they would think realistic? I think the system is similar to previous versions, so you'd have to take certain factors into account. If for you that means using FMRTE then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blala Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 why their's no much ME improvements ? please anyone from sega answer me cuz i think it's not perfect 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I think the system is similar to previous versions, so you'd have to take certain factors into account. If for you that means using FMRTE then so be it. I won't, but given the randomness of that option I really should if I ever decide to try it again. I opt to let the board find clubs as of now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSX Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 2 major problems: 1. No idea why but I can't offer contracts to free staff ?! It's written that I have to wait until a team accepts my offer... WTF ?! 2. max staff number has decreased radically: being a top team i only have 6 staff members now and can't get more. Also no option to ask for more staff... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flauta kicma Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Should strikers score that large amount of goals or is it reduced? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCCK Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The starting world reputation for Sunday league is now 0, so if you start a new game you'll get the full effects of that.Whereas if you continue a game where you started with Sunday League at a higher number, which may now be higher if you have done ok, it will be a bit easier to motivate your players than if you restart. Thanks for the answer, I created a new game and I got some job offers that I would think I shouldn't (an second-league Argentinean team, Gimnasia (J)), but maybe it has a low reputation. I did notice that at least there were less teams interested than before! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman051 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 no New games are we came 20.6 2022 and my seve was 19.6 before the patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Stuart Wilson Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Still struggling to sell a few players even at a pittance the likes of Andy Carroll at 28 on £15k a week, good stats yet no-one in World football wants him for free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Cox Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Okay this has turned into a fully fledged nightmare for me. I went to uninstall Football Manager 2012, Steam still recognises it despite all the files having been removed as per the FAQ on here, and wants to download the update. Which can't happen... As per the original bloody problem. So I go to uninstall Steam and start completely from scratch. Done that, go to install again, that's fine. It then won't finish the update of Steam itself to open. So I'm now stuck without Football Manager and without Steam. This all happened with the last patch as well. I cannot be expected to go through all of this each time a patch is released. It's an absolute joke. I am really, really fed up with this. Using Steam to run this game is a massive mistake, and I sincerely hope Sports Interactive take all of the complaints its had on board and decide to ditch it for 2013. If not, I can't see myself buying it. I don't think it's worth the hassle, the time or the money. My thanks to Neil Brock however for his attempts to help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Is the patch worth it or not? Many people reporting bugs on this one, e.g major flaw if you are a major club you can reject feeder clubs. Oh no! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Priest Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I have no idea what you have done with the latest patch, but you've totally changed something...for the worse. I currently play Football Manager 2012 with 'Default Player Selection' set to 'attributes', and 'Default Team Selection' set to 'squad', in Preferences > General. These are the settings I've used since the game was launched with no problem at all. I hear that the latest patch was released today, launch the game, only to find something shocking staring right back at me. You've changed the player positions to portrait, where as before it was landscape. This now looks like it's been squeezed into a space it's clearly not designed for, and the coloured circles which reflect if they are comfortable in playing in the positions, now cover the letters like 'AMC' etc. To say it looks messy would be an understatement, and why it has changed is beyond my knowledge or understanding. Please can you tell me how to rectify it my end? Or please change it your end. To inform you, I've deleted my Settings files just in case, and it's still the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto Blizzard Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the editor numerous times and I've also tried verifying the cache - every time I load the editor, it comes up with a green background and I can't clearly read any of the menu options. Anything else I should be trying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Cox Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the editor numerous times and I've also tried verifying the cache - every time I load the editor, it comes up with a green background and I can't clearly read any of the menu options.Anything else I should be trying? I've had this too, on top of not having the game at all at the moment, and none of the suggested fixes work. Can someone remind me what I paid over £30 for? Because I'm sat here with no playable game and Steam is not working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt ex SEGA Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I've had this too, on top of not having the game at all at the moment, and none of the suggested fixes work.Can someone remind me what I paid over £30 for? Because I'm sat here with no playable game and Steam is not working. Sorry you're struggling like this. My best recommendation at this point would be to speak to someone in Customer Services and have them get a better understanding of your machine and talk you through an installation. You can find a route to contact them here: http://www.sega.com/support/ If you drop them a note I'd expect them to respond pretty quick and they'll call you if you request. Cheers Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1313 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 last patch destroyed the game for me. When I adjust the budget for more wage, I cannot go back to have more transfer funds for a long time. First I was like OK I guess I ll have go with that but later I could not transfer any players or staff members when I maximized my wages. I also had some problems with arraging friendly matches. and I have these problems as well: 2 major problems:1. No idea why but I can't offer contracts to free staff ?! It's written that I have to wait until a team accepts my offer... WTF ?! 2. max staff number has decreased radically: being a top team i only have 6 staff members now and can't get more. Also no option to ask for more staff... So I wanted to go back to the previous patch which was 12.0.4, I believe, but unlike FM 11 when you click start new game, FM12 does not offer you which version of the game you wanna play. I couldn't find a way to choose the previous version of the game or delete the 12.1 version. I uninstalled the game and then re-installed it but I keeps updating the game with 12.1 patch. does anybody know how to get rid of that 12.1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 2 major problems:1. No idea why but I can't offer contracts to free staff ?! It's written that I have to wait until a team accepts my offer... WTF ?! 2. max staff number has decreased radically: being a top team i only have 6 staff members now and can't get more. Also no option to ask for more staff... i report the same for some reason only allows 1 coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple3 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I am now *OFFICIALLY* pissed off about Football Managers move to the Steam client. I just tried to open FM2012, but instead I get a message from Steam saying "Game Not Available* Upon closing this I get another message with a status bar. It says "Updating ~30minutes remaining" After a couple of minutes, this is replaced by a message saying "Steam Network Busy" and my update is PAUSED. I am now staring at a game - a SINGLE PLAYER GAME - that I am unable to play due to network issues. This is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Before Steam, when there was an update available, I could download the update when I felt like it in the background while playing the game. When the download had finished I could then install the update - when I felt like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Update all good here. Took less than 2 minutes and completely without any problems. No extraneous issues and skins still work fine. The promotion/relegation colours bars are all fine for me too. Guess I got lucky? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman051 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I am in the year 2023 in the Croatian first league and the league still has 27 games and a new patch is supposed to fix it. I expect a new stadium and I have a very good team for which I have struggled all these years. and how I see the patch only works if I start from scratch. I do not wish to do this because I am not to blame for that. that's what your problem is not the entire year have not worked so now saving with patchis. why can not do that that it worked in 2023 in the old save game. I paid money for this game and I expect I get what I paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawstraljan11 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The only people for whom I would recommend starting a new game are those specifically looking for a tough challenge, ie taking on a big club as an ex Sunday League player. Do you mean if i start a new game with say FC UNITED (after they grt promoted) the game will be harder? If so ill start a new game. PS: any changes on transfer system? I read the whole changleist but didnt see anything, or i missed it. cant grt teams to buy off me but show heaps of interest, and even for 0 its really hard to get rid of them (even the best players) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
singtelsux Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 But an update made a game harder is simply ridiculous. What made the game easier or harder should be your skill as manager because ALL THIS TIME SI always said that the AI acts the same towards all teams human and computers. This is not PES or FIFA with difficulty level game. It's a sim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawstraljan11 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 But an update made a game harder is simply ridiculous.What made the game easier or harder should be your skill as manager because ALL THIS TIME SI always said that the AI acts the same towards all teams human and computers. This is not PES or FIFA with difficulty level game. It's a sim. True but the game Is a tad easy. A little more challenging wouldnt hurt. Can anyone answer my previous post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookison Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Update all good here. Took less than 2 minutes and completely without any problems. No extraneous issues and skins still work fine. The promotion/relegation colours bars are all fine for me too. Guess I got lucky? Lucky X2! I had no issues with the update on Steam and the game is functioning just fine!!! Now back to my Whitecaps save!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan13L Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Very disappointed there aren't any ME changes. I'm sick to the back teeth of my defenders not actually defending! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSH Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Are there any changes (even minor ones) to how the A.I. approaches team building or transfers? Are they a bit more active or able a little better decisions? I didn't see any mention in the changelist but I'm hoping I missed something or that there's some changes due to other factors fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmegtheman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 i dont know what happened to this game after the update. im from germany using a german languagefile, whichs doesn´t work anymore after the patch.even the modified lnc file doesnt work anymore. and whats absolutely disappointing that the advanced panels dont work anymore......there are authors which spent thousands of hours to create great league structures which we can´t use anymore, too. please tell me that all this occurs because of an error caused by the update...otherwise i have to play 11er version. could please anybody from Si tell me why this happens ? the whole forum in germany is worried about what happened after the latest patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hluraven Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Very disappointed there aren't any ME changes. I'm sick to the back teeth of my defenders not actually defending! There are some ME changes, including one to change defenders behaviour at goal kicks to reduce the issue of goal kicks being headed back for one-on-ones. It's mentioned earlier in this thread along with a few other changes by PaulC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamsyLFC Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 How come the 12.1 database is nowhere to be found? What I mean by that is, when you go to start a new game it says the latest version running is 12.0 and then when you go to choose the database you want, the default one is the only option. YET when I do load a new game it says it's running the 12.1 version at the top of my screen. Can someone explain to me why this is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted December 16, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted December 16, 2011 I think you need to be looking at big clubs ( Premier League or big Championship ) for it to make a big difference tbh. Do you mean if i start a new game with say FC UNITED (after they grt promoted) the game will be harder? If so ill start a new game.PS: any changes on transfer system? I read the whole changleist but didnt see anything, or i missed it. cant grt teams to buy off me but show heaps of interest, and even for 0 its really hard to get rid of them (even the best players) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 How come the 12.1 database is nowhere to be found? What I mean by that is, when you go to start a new game it says the latest version running is 12.0 and then when you go to choose the database you want, the default one is the only option. YET when I do load a new game it says it's running the 12.1 version at the top of my screen. Can someone explain to me why this is? Simply because there is no db updates. So what u see is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 You need to press the 'play' button on the formation to make certain and confirm the team will now play this formation. Can you please change that back, it's going to be incredibly frustrating after playing for hours just having to click confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutronen Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Have the Welsh attendances been look at and how they grow with reputation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan13L Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There are some ME changes, including one to change defenders behaviour at goal kicks to reduce the issue of goal kicks being headed back for one-on-ones. It's mentioned earlier in this thread along with a few other changes by PaulC The changes were so minor I didn't bother with a change-list to be honest.Main ones you may or may not notice: - Toned down corner delivery - Harder to get header on target under pressure - Better AI attacking corner set-up - Tweaked AI use of touchline instruction - Fixed a bug relating related to positioning of full backs in defensive third - Fixed defensive line pushing up on goal kick leaving team vulnerable to header back over their heads for forward to run onto Cheers, Paul Hmmm, maybe i spoke too soon.... The defensive positioning of my full backs was what was really frustrating me the most recently! I hope this is better now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Just been trying this out and it's a lot faster than it was before. Thanks Andy. I might leave the scout reports to build up a bit longer and see how it goes. Been clearing them out monthly (game time). But I'm also only Scouting players with 3.5 stars or higher - so not generating as many scout reports as before (3 stars and below). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamsyLFC Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Simply because there is no db updates. So what u see is correct. Ahhh o.k. Cheers mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawstraljan11 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Can someone from SI not ignore why question about the transfer system? Just answer truthfully and stop leaving us concerned about the topic in the dark. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak G Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Whats the question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The changes were so minor I didn't bother with a change-list to be honest.Main ones you may or may not notice: - Toned down corner delivery - Harder to get header on target under pressure - Better AI attacking corner set-up - Tweaked AI use of touchline instruction - Fixed a bug relating related to positioning of full backs in defensive third - Fixed defensive line pushing up on goal kick leaving team vulnerable to header back over their heads for forward to run onto Cheers, Paul What have you done to long throws? Before the patch I would get the odd goal from them as I have a fullback with long throws 18 and takes flat bullet like throws but now every one is cleared by the defence leading to a counter attack from the other team. Also 2 major problems with throw ins around the area...... the players always set up the same as they do for a corner which I do not want them to anymore as they keep losing the ball and getting counter attacked but I do not want to change my corner set up, I think it is stupid that players always line up the same for throw ins and free kicks from wide areas using your corner instructions! Also if I have a player who trys long flat throws as a pref move then no matter what I set throw ins to, even if I set them to short he stills hurls it into the box which I do not always want him to do if that tactic is not paying off which it never does now the patch is out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted December 16, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted December 16, 2011 I haven't touched throw ins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I haven't touched throw ins. You have touched header efficiency and some defensive positioning anamolies, so it is possible that a corner tactic that worked fine for all three situations in which it is used (corners, throw-ins and indirect free-kicks) is no longer well-balanced and will need a change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oi_oi_ginger_roy Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 No, as with all updates you never need to start a new save game - you're fine to continue your game.However some changes (such as competition rules and scheduling changes) you'll need to start a new game for them to take affect. Will these changes take affect in the next season, or they will never take affect unless we start a new game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 'Evo' Evans Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Don't see any mention of many of the issues we have raised on the Welsh Data Issues thread, are they going to be addressed in the January patch? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/276183-Wales-(Official)-Data-Issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Sorry to hear that, I assume you're running in full screen mode? We're aware of the relegation colours and we're looking into it. Very odd as we've not seen this at all internally - when using a default skin does it show up? Yes it happened on full screen mode, i've tried using the default skin and they still wouldn't show up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetsky Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 always annoying that it feels you need to start a new game to get the most of the a new patch - really loving my 1st save moved up ranks and am now Bayern manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I haven't touched throw ins. You know as well as I do that you do not need to touch something directly for it to be effected in the match engine. Many times tweaks on one thing lead to something else being effected, you are a computer programmer Paul for god sake so you know full well these things can happen so for you to give that very short unhelpfull answer to genuine feedback from someone trying to help you fix problems in your game is a bit disapointing. Could you maybe comment on why throw ins and wide free kicks use the corner settings to set up player positions and why if I have a guy who takes long flat throws into the box that he does it at every chance and I cannot set any option to stop this other than drop him or have him unlearn the move which I don't want to do as sometimes I like long throws but at the moment something you did in the match engine is rendering long throws useless and I cannot do anything about it unless I change my corner set up which is insane. Or do you not agree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pewa2303 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 is there a chance to get the statistics for 12.1 over a holiday period shots per match / injuries per match and so on. i think neil posted this in 12.0 and in fm11. thx P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Will these changes take affect in the next season, or they will never take affect unless we start a new game? Would really like to know this as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Is there coming any official data update before late february/march? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpey94 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Where can we see what version we are running in the preferences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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