alian62 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, cris182 said: 7th in the UK So its GMT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlammi Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I putted 10€ to my steam wallet, now i can buy In Game Editor when its coming out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonlondoner Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I'm not sure why so many players get so animated about the early Beta release. Especially given how polished this year's Beta really is. As mentioned above, one hotfix. If you don't want to be a tester, just see the Beta as your test run. If you want to help your community and report bugs, then there is the option to do that. If you don't want an unfinished game, wait for the full release. Don't people want choice these days? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, alian62 said: Its the 8th so wheres the game ? Asia doesnt count :-) It will most likely be released around midnight UK time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teep007 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Today is a day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim owen Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Kyznar said: Do we know if the game is out at midnight? I just presumed it was gunna be early afternoon tomorrow. But now im 2nd guessing myself, it would be nice if we had the time confirmed. But a lack of communication is unsurprising. The official realeas time is 6pm (GMT) on the 8th November. Anything earlier is a bonus. We usually get a good bonus, but don't rely on it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
(sic) Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, teep007 said: Today is a day Today is definitely one of the days ever. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, jlammi said: I putted 10€ to my steam wallet, now i can buy In Game Editor when its coming out. Surely the editor will be free this year, considering a lot of people use it to fix persistent bugs. Cost of living crisis and all that. Or maybe they're okay charging for it because 'value for money'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucce Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) Well, well. How's everyone? Times moving slow, can't wait for the release! Edited November 7, 2022 by Trucce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: Surely the editor will be free this year, considering a lot of people use it to fix persistent bugs. Cost of living crisis and all that. Or maybe they're okay charging for it because 'value for money'. He means the ingame editor. The pre-game editor is always free. If you know that and are just being snarky, my response is that staying at home and playing Football Manager is one of the best tips to coping with the cost of living crisis there is. Edited November 7, 2022 by phnompenhandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
(sic) Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: Surely the editor will be free this year, considering a lot of people use it to fix persistent bugs. Cost of living crisis and all that. Or maybe they're okay charging for it because 'value for money'. I wish, but I doubt it. Last year, they actually increased the price of the in-game editor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonlondoner Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KeiranShikari said: Surely the editor will be free this year, considering a lot of people use it to fix persistent bugs. Cost of living crisis and all that. Or maybe they're okay charging for it because 'value for money'. Interesting analysis there but you've mistaken your opinion for irrefutable facts. Unless you've got some statistical data to back it up, of course. If you're beating-up SI Games over the cost of living crisis you're wasting time that you should be spending writing to your MP to ask what he or she is doing about non-doms, tax loopholes, windfall taxes and laws on rent increases that are bigger drivers of the cost of living crisis than SI Games' optional FM23 Editor. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: He means the ingame editor. The pre-game editor is always free. If you know that and are just being snarky, my response is that staying at home and playing Football Manager is one of the best tips to coping with the cost of living crisis there is. It's the in game editor that people use to fix bugs in their long term saves. For example transfer revenue retention getting stuck has been around for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlammi Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, (sic) said: I wish, but I doubt it. Last year, they actually increased the price of the in-game editor. Yes, thats why i putted 10€, not 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nonlondoner said: Interesting analysis there but you've mistaken your opinion for irrefutable facts. Unless you've got some statistical data to back it up, of course. If you're beating-up SI Games over the cost of living crisis you're wasting time that you should be spending writing to your MP to ask what he or she is doing about non-doms, tax loopholes, windfall taxes and laws on rent increases that are bigger drivers of the cost of living crisis than SI Games' optional FM23 Editor. I wasn't being entirely serious regarding the cost of living comment, I was always for them charging for the in game cheat tool until I learned that people were using it to correct bugs. It was a bit snarky but charging for this doesn't sit right with me when they're making record sales of the actual game. It should absolutely be bundled. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenz81 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: I wasn't being entirely serious regarding the cost of living comment, I was always for them charging for the in game cheat tool until I learned that people were using it to correct bugs. It was a bit snarky but charging for this doesn't sit right with me when they're making record sales of the actual game. It should absolutely be bundled. Agree it should be free with the game. Its not like they throw so much money at a tool, they themselves use! And to be fair, it is a clunky bit of software! And for the price you pay for it.....wow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim owen Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: I wasn't being entirely serious regarding the cost of living comment, I was always for them charging for the in game cheat tool until I learned that people were using it to correct bugs. It was a bit snarky but charging for this doesn't sit right with me when they're making record sales of the actual game. It should absolutely be bundled. So the vast majority who don't want to use it should have to pay for the small majority who want to use it? Its not required for the game its a nice to have that takes a lot of development, seems perfectly suited to being an optional extra which is charged for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmatt15 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Nonlondoner said: Interesting analysis there but you've mistaken your opinion for irrefutable facts. Unless you've got some statistical data to back it up, of course. If you're beating-up SI Games over the cost of living crisis you're wasting time that you should be spending writing to your MP to ask what he or she is doing about non-doms, tax loopholes, windfall taxes and laws on rent increases that are bigger drivers of the cost of living crisis than SI Games' optional FM23 Editor. Not much point writing to dulledic mp's who all espouse the same failed policies. The reason for the biggest tax of all inflation is the insane panicdemic spending policies, backed by almost all gullible mp's. The lad has a good point a nominal fee for the editor set by Mr Jacobson would be a good idea. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, jim owen said: So the vast majority who don't want to use it should have to pay for the small majority who want to use it? Its not required for the game its a nice to have that takes a lot of development, seems perfectly suited to being an optional extra which is charged for I didn't think anybody should be paying for it but now I think you alone should be buying it for everyone. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucce Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I don't really understand the hatred towards the editor costing money, I always buy it and 10 euros~ is cheap. If this was Blizzard or something it would cost 30 quid and you would have to pay a monthly fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenz81 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, jim owen said: So the vast majority who don't want to use it should have to pay for the small majority who want to use it? Its not required for the game its a nice to have that takes a lot of development, seems perfectly suited to being an optional extra which is charged for It used to be free with the game.... no development needed to edit files 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Trucce said: I don't really understand the hatred towards the editor costing money, I always buy it and 10 euros~ is cheap. If this was Blizzard or something it would cost 30 quid and you would have to pay a monthly fee. I'd agree if it wasn't being used to fix the game for a lot of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lempicka Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Trying to stay really positive, but at the moment it feels a bit like a Christmas Eve where I've already discovered my present - and it's a bit too similar to something I already have. I'm desperate to be proven wrong though - I've even booked tomorrow off. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonlondoner Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 "Record sales" does not equate to "Record profits". I now appreciate you were being playful there but it's often forgotten that SI have bills to pay, employees to look after all of whom have spiralling bills themselves. Short of winning the lottery or a PPP contract from Government, we're all in it, thank goodness for escapism in computer games. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenz81 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Trucce said: I don't really understand the hatred towards the editor costing money, I always buy it and 10 euros~ is cheap. If this was Blizzard or something it would cost 30 quid and you would have to pay a monthly fee. Its an issue because it used to be free... Its literally a database editor. How can someone charge for an editor? Would you like to be charged for a plastic fork that comes with your ready meal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted November 7, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, greenz81 said: I always thought the whole point of 'Beta' was having alot of free testers.... All i see Miles doing is using the 'Beta' numbers as a badge of honor.... 'Look how many people buy the game pre-release!' We are beta testers.... and are buying the game so our experience with the full game is as enjoyable as possible. But there is no feedback to the beta testers.... just 'upload the PKM'. No feedback. No current issues. Nothing! They shouldnt call it 'Beta' anymore.... just call it 'Early-release' because in the last 2 weeks, we've had 1 hotfix! Let me repeat.... 1! In a beta test!!! It's the Early Access Beta. We ask people to contribute if they want and anything raised via our Bug Tracker is checked over by our team and if required, logged into our internal database and given a priority. Given the number of hours people have been putting into the game, some managers have already got some pretty hefty careers underway. In terms of raised issues on our Bug Tracker, we tell you whether the issue is under review, a known issue, not a bug or requires more info. Then, when new versions or updates are released we go back to those we identify as being addressed and mark them resolved. The full version of FM23 comes out on the 8th November. As in previous years after launch we'll be looking to release updates throughout the cycle to potentially introduce new aspects where we can introduced to world football, database updates after the Winter transfer update and fix issues where we're able to do so, primarily based on what is flagged by our community. When we do so, we release pretty comprehensive changelists highlighting what's been addressed. And again, will go through the Tracker and update where possible. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted November 7, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, greenz81 said: Its an issue because it used to be free... Its literally a database editor. How can someone charge for an editor? Would you like to be charged for a plastic fork that comes with your ready meal? The IGE has never been free. Only the pre-game editor. Which is still free. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Nonlondoner said: "Record sales" does not equate to "Record profits". I now appreciate you were being playful there but it's often forgotten that SI have bills to pay, employees to look after all of whom have spiralling bills themselves. Short of winning the lottery or a PPP contract from Government, we're all in it, thank goodness for escapism in computer games. A fair point but I think it's safe to say that they're doing okay. If they were struggling I doubt they'd be spending big on licensing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycarrie Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nonlondoner said: thank goodness for escapism in computer games. Yep, God of War on Wednesday, a proper game. Cannae wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4Downloads Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Neil Brock said: It's the Early Access Beta. We ask people to contribute if they want and anything raised via our Bug Tracker is checked over by our team and if required, logged into our internal database and given a priority. Given the number of hours people have been putting into the game, some managers have already got some pretty hefty careers underway. In terms of raised issues on our Bug Tracker, we tell you whether the issue is under review, a known issue, not a bug or requires more info. Then, when new versions or updates are released we go back to those we identify as being addressed and mark them resolved. The full version of FM23 comes out on the 8th November. As in previous years after launch we'll be looking to release updates throughout the cycle to potentially introduce new aspects where we can introduced to world football, database updates after the Winter transfer update and fix issues where we're able to do so, primarily based on what is flagged by our community. When we do so, we release pretty comprehensive changelists highlighting what's been addressed. And again, will go through the Tracker and update where possible. Can I ask why Football Manager is so adamant on just 2 main updates In a yearly cycle? This kind of model is genuinely insane to me when you compare it to most other games. Why is there not rolling updates constantly throughout the game cycle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucce Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, greenz81 said: Its an issue because it used to be free... Its literally a database editor. How can someone charge for an editor? Would you like to be charged for a plastic fork that comes with your ready meal? I live in Sweden so I'm used to getting taxed and charged for everything under the sun. OnT: There's a lot of things that used to be free in our society, that's not free anymore. However I don't believe the editor used to be free, might be wrong though. Edited November 7, 2022 by Trucce 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yer Maw Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Just4Downloads said: Can I ask why Football Manager is so adamant on just 2 main updates In a yearly cycle? This kind of model is genuinely insane to me when you compare it to most other games. Why is there not rolling updates constantly throughout the game cycle? Is there not 3 updates now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmatt15 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: A fair point but I think it's safe to say that they're doing okay. If they were struggling I doubt they'd be spending big on licensing. Another good point is that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmatt15 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nonlondoner said: "Record sales" does not equate to "Record profits". I now appreciate you were being playful there but it's often forgotten that SI have bills to pay, employees to look after all of whom have spiralling bills themselves. Short of winning the lottery or a PPP contract from Government, we're all in it, thank goodness for escapism in computer games. Be self-employed and so control how much tax you send them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yer Maw said: Is there not 3 updates now? Typically yes. It does depend on what specific issues they are trying to update 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevehFC Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Me waiting for the full release. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Nonlondoner said: Don't people want choice these days? No, because entitlement is meta and choice is difficult, it also requires thought and patience. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie21 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Let's lighten the mood people. Not long now until the full release 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, greenz81 said: Its an issue because it used to be free... Its literally a database editor. How can someone charge for an editor? It's never been free. The pre-game editor is, however, free. Always has been and I suspect always will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Ben_ Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 They just tweeted and deleted? I thought it was announcing the full game had dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryBlade Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, _Ben_ said: They just tweeted and deleted? I thought it was announcing the full game had dropped. Saw the tweet which was a minute trailer video of Rodri and Gundogan promoting the game. Still said release tomorrow. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Somebody should buy the in game editor and push the release forward a few hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, alian62 said: So its GMT Well aye, seeing as it's a British game and British company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KeiranShikari said: Somebody should buy the in game editor and push the release forward a few hours. Unfortunately you can't but that until after release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, StevehFC said: Me waiting for the full release. PM me on .net when you find all your wee gems of players 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranShikari Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, jc1 said: Unfortunately you can't but that until after release Darn. It was such a good plan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domoboy23 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Doubt there will be any early release tonight. Everything they've been tweeting (even 9 minutes ago) and retweeting today all says one more day to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevehFC Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, jc1 said: PM me on .net when you find all your wee gems of players 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenz81 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: The IGE has never been free. Only the pre-game editor. Which is still free. My bad, must be thinking of the freebies we could download from unofficial sites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said: Doubt there will be any early release tonight. Everything they've been tweeting (even 9 minutes ago) and retweeting today all says one more day to go if only this had happened before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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