The Jack Grealish (and occasionally England) Thread: It's coming home attempt 5782570

[XuluBak]

If you're "taking" three, James should be the odd man out at this point. 

[Baptista_8]

15 minutes ago, Haguey said:

No we should take a guy desperately out of form instead because he used to be good before this season. Isn't that what we used to slag managers off for?

How closely you been following Trippier this season?

[adhikapp]

Trent's drop of form has been greatly exaggerated. It's not like he became League One standard at his worst. And he's picked up his performance towards the end of the season.

[EnterUsernameHere]

Just now, adhikapp said:

Trent's drop of form has been greatly exaggerated. It's not like he became League One standard at his worst. And he's picked up his performance towards the end of the season.

Yeah he's been one of our best players lately, since about a month before Southgate dropped him. That idiot waited until he was back in form to drop him for being out of form

[Haguey]

James and Walker are ahead of him. Personally, I'd still take him and start him.

[EnterUsernameHere]

I know they are, but they shouldn't be. James especially, I don't see it with him.

 

[oatsie]

Pope having minor knee surgery 3 weeks before the start of the Euros. He's been out of our last 4 matches including today so must be necessary and not something that can be put off until after.

[aiston]

Willock deserves a call up.

[Guest]

The Athletic saying Liverpool don't expect TAA to be called up. 

[Rob1981]

Yeah, the squad announcement is tomorrow so I assume the big omissions and inclusions will be leaked throughout the course of today. Probably today that the players get told if they are going, Southgate is absolutely the sort to ring round with a personal phone call which will take a while. So by the time he does his official presser tomorrow everybody already knows.

[ajw10]

On 23/05/2021 at 00:01, EnterUsernameHere said:

I know they are, but they shouldn't be. James especially, I don't see it with him.

 

It should be Walker and Trent. Trippier is good, but his best form for England has been as a wing back. He's also protected a lot by Simeone's system

[Barry Cartman]

Forgot all the who should be called up stuff for a moment, this is genuinely a great moment for Trippier

 

Don't know if he looks scared or he's going to burst out crying 

 

[EnterUsernameHere]

1 hour ago, Crazy_Ivan said:

The Athletic saying Liverpool don't expect TAA to be called up. 

Why are you surprised? It's been obvious for a while now. Idiot Gareth.

[Pukey]

I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. 

[craigcwwe]

Surely Trent is going now? 

He's not taking Reece James over him is he? 

[EnterUsernameHere]

21 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Surely Trent is going now? 

He's not taking Reece James over him is he? 

Looks like he is

[themadsheep2001]

Not sure I'd start Trent, but current run of form he surely goes over James. 

[Robokid87]

TAA should probably go but I don't have any issue with Southgate wanting to play the more defensively solid player given they'll be alongside John Stones and in front of Jordan Pickford.

James is also absolutely brilliant, shouldn't be any questions about his capabilities at all.

[themadsheep2001]

Walker, TAA, Tripper for me

[EnterUsernameHere]

2 minutes ago, Robokid87 said:

TAA should probably go but I don't have any issue with Southgate wanting to play the more defensively solid player given they'll be alongside John Stones and in front of Jordan Pickford.

James is also absolutely brilliant, shouldn't be any questions about his capabilities at all.

Ha, he’s not even a guaranteed starter for you.

[Robokid87]

Played in every single game since Tuchel took charge other than the first.

[Pukey]

James is a good player, but there's no question he should be behind Walker, TAA, and Trippier for me. 

[EnterUsernameHere]

2 minutes ago, Robokid87 said:

Played in every single game since Tuchel took charge other than the first.

As a 3rd centre back for a few.

[AM99]

Don't think i'd have Trent starting but it would be a shocking decision not to have him in the squad.

[Pukey]

1 minute ago, AM99 said:

Don't think i'd have Trent starting but it would be a shocking decision not to have him in the squad.

Yeah, I could totally understand picking Walker in the 11, but to not take TAA at all is just baffling. 

[skybluedave]

1 hour ago, Pukey said:

I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. 

Yeah this. 

Edit: What's weird is he dropped him when he was in bad form and alternatives playing well. Since then Trent has imrpoved and got back to his normal level. So surely Southgate must be thinking 'job done, dropping him worked, lets get him in the squad now'

Edited May 24, 2021 by skybluedave

[Robokid87]

13 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

As a 3rd centre back for a few.

Only the last 3, but it is something he can do well which is no bad thing.

As I say, he *should* take TAA and he probably *shouldn't* take James (personally I'd take all 4 but that's probably a minority opinion), but the way people are carrying on you'd think he was some sort of Championship player rather than probably the most well-rounded of all of them, if also the one with the fewest standout characteristics.

[EnterUsernameHere]

Just now, Robokid87 said:

Only the last 3, but it is something he can do well which is no bad thing.

As I say, he *should* take TAA and he probably *shouldn't* take James (personally I'd take all 4 but that's probably a minority opinion), but the way people are carrying on you'd think he was some sort of Championship player rather than probably the most well-rounded of all of them, if also the one with the fewest standout characteristics.

I'd take all four too. It's not a criticism of James, he's not bad, but Trent is top class.

[Pukey]

Good that this doesn't seem as bad as it looked. Probably miss at least the first group game though. 

 

[XuluBak]

2 hours ago, Pukey said:

I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. 

TAA has one goal and four assists (in PL) since that international break. Coincidently, that's what James has tallied in two PL seasons with Chelsea. 

For as bad as TAA's form was for a while there, he only finished behind KdB and Bruno for big chances created. 

Not starting him for some matches is one thing, but excluding the best attacking FB in the world, especially when you get three extra slots and are presumably taking three RBs, would be completely indefensible. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by XuluBak

[themadsheep2001]

1 hour ago, Pukey said:

I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. 

Same here

[pearcey_90]

I'm not having James is a more solid defender than TAA. Both as bad as each other defending, and TAA ***** all over James when it comes to making up for it by being a threat in final third.

[adhikapp]

Both Walker and Trippier are 31 this year so it might be their last tournament for both, especially with Reece and Trent in the shadows. Honestly it should be Walker and Trent as the certainties for this Euros with James & Trippier competing for the next spot, but of course that won't happen. And bringing all 4 would be a waste of squad space.

As a United fan, Wan-Bissaka not even being mentioned is a possibility is disappointing, but seeing that Trent might not even make it is even worse. Thank God I'm not English.

[Barry Cartman]

Thank god you're not English because we're absolutely stacked at right back and arguing over 4 really good players

 

[EnterUsernameHere]

4 minutes ago, adhikapp said:

Both Walker and Trippier are 31 this year so it might be their last tournament for both, especially with Reece and Trent in the shadows. Honestly it should be Walker and Trent as the certainties for this Euros with James & Trippier competing for the next spot, but of course that won't happen. And bringing all 4 would be a waste of squad space.

As a United fan, Wan-Bissaka not even being mentioned is a possibility is disappointing, but seeing that Trent might not even make it is even worse. Thank God I'm not English.

Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now.

Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man.

Edited May 24, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere

[oche balboa]

TAA should be in the 26 really. But so should Trippier

[Barry Cartman]

The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space  

[craigcwwe]

10 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now.

Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man.

This is a bit extreme. Does he have a problem defending crosses coming in from the left? Sure, he does tend to get pulled inwards to his nearest CB and therefore leaving a big gap behind him but he doesn't get 'targeted' in open play and at 1v1s. He's the best 1v1 FB in the league defensively.

He absolutely pocketed Neymar in the away game in Paris in the CL this season. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by craigcwwe

[metal_guitarist]

6 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space  

Henderson shouldn't be going, he hasn't played for 4 months and there's better players available anyway. Bring him along as a glorified cheerleader if he's that important behind the scenes but shouldn't be part of the playing squad with the players we have available who are actually fit. 

[Baptista_8]

11 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space  

Just two? Who else would you pick for CM then?

[craigcwwe]

Surely you take at least 4 CMs?

Rice, Henderson, Phillips and Jude. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by craigcwwe

[adhikapp]

15 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now.

Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man.

Wouldn't class him as a 'defensive full-back' anymore after this season when he has more assists than 'attacking' Joao Cancelo in the league.

He's also the best 1v1 defender in the league, and calling him the best tackler in the world at this rate wouldn't be an exaggeration. Man pocketed Neymar in the Champions League. But I do get why he isn't in the mix with 4 right backs more suited to Southgate.

[Pukey]

17 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space  

Genuinely confused by this, you'd only take 2 CMs? 

[EnterUsernameHere]

17 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

This is a bit extreme. Does he have a problem defending crosses coming in from the left? Sure, he does tend to get pulled inwards to his nearest CB and therefore leaving a big gap behind him but he doesn't get 'targeted' in open play and at 1v1s. He's the best 1v1 FB in the league defensively.

He absolutely pocketed Neymar in the away game in Paris in the CL this season. 

 

6 minutes ago, adhikapp said:

Wouldn't class him as a 'defensive full-back' anymore after this season when he has more assists than 'attacking' Joao Cancelo in the league.

He's also the best 1v1 defender in the league, and calling him the best tackler in the world at this rate wouldn't be an exaggeration. Man pocketed Neymar in the Champions League. But I do get why he isn't in the mix with 4 right backs more suited to Southgate.

1 Vs 1 he's the best, I agree. It's such a small part of being a modern right back that it isn't as impressive as you both suggest though. 

I couldn't care less about whether he has more assists than Cancelo, if you think he's better going forward than Cancelo then you've lost the plot.

Edited May 24, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere

[craigcwwe]

1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

 

1 Vs 1 he's the best, I agree. It's such a small part of being a modern football that it isn't as impressive as you both suggest though. 

I couldn't care less about whether he has more assists than Cancelo, if you think he's better going forward than Cancelo then you've lost the plot.

PL stats 2020/21 season:

 

AWB: 2 goal and 4 assists

James: 1 goal and 2 assists

Trent: 2 goals and 7 assists

Trippier: 1 goal and 3 assists

Walker: 1 goal and 1 assist

 

Cancelo fwiw seeing as he was brought up, 2 goals and 3 assists.

 

Southgate doesn't like AWB so he'll probably opt to play for DR Congo at some point in the future. Walker and Trippier are both 31 later this year so coming towards the end of their international careers with England, this could be their tournament if they both get picked though I'm not sure Southgate will take Trippier so he might've played his last tournament for England already. 

So then you've got Trent and James as probably one and two in that order for England longer term with AWB most likely third choice at best but that's going off on a tangent. 

[Baptista_8]

20 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Surely you take at least 4 CMs?

Rice, Henderson, Phillips and Jude. 

That would be my thinking. In my eyes, you'd have Rice and Phillips competing for the DLP role, with Henderson and Bellingham competing for a B2B/standard central midfield role.

[skybluedave]

24 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Southgate doesn't like AWB

Where's this coming from? Let's not make things up here. AWB is simply not as good as 3 probably 4 players who play in his position and that's why he hasn't been called up. It's not personal. If Walker and Trippier retired after this WC, he'd be called up straight away

[Baptista_8]

And the more I watch of Bellingham the more I think just throw him in, don't care how young he is. He is incredible.

[craigcwwe]

22 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

That would be my thinking. In my eyes, you'd have Rice and Phillips competing for the DLP role, with Henderson and Bellingham competing for a B2B/standard central midfield role.

I think if Henderson gets up to speed in training and the two warm up games he'll start alongside Rice with Phillips and Jude the backups but Henderson has barely played the last several months and he's not going to be fully fit for the opening game. 

 

[craigcwwe]

1 minute ago, skybluedave said:

Where's this coming from? Let's not make things up here. AWB is simply not as good as 3 probably 4 players who play in his position and that's why he hasn't been called up. It's not personal. If Walker and Trippier retired after this WC, he'd be called up straight away

I don't mean personally, I mean as a player he doesn't like him and his abilities as much as the other guys he's competing with. As I put in another post, he's possibly 3rd choice RB in the near future.