themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 17 hours ago, skybluedave said: Is Shaw ok to play first game? Thought United and CL finalists being rested? If so then maybe 343 first game and Tripper and Trent at wing backs I'd rest Shaw and Chilwell (one on bench) and start Saka. Then start Shaw the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 19 hours ago, pearcey_90 said: What do people think will be the teams tried against Austria and Romania? I’m thinking Southgate will go 4-3-3 against Austria and try out 3-5-2/3-4-3 against Romania :/ Austria - Pickford: Trippier, Coady, Mings, Shaw: Phillips, Bellingham, Lingard: Grealish, DCL, Sancho (with fringe players like White etc all coming on after 60 mins). Romania - Pickford: James, Walker, Stones, Maguire, Chilwell: Rice, Henderson: Foden, Kane, Mount The dreaded 5 at the back rolled out against a poor side so we look good and that sways Gareth If he hasn’t decided whether it’s a back 3 or a back for by now we’ve got no chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 It's Southgate, I'm not convinced you have much chance from the start. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Seems credible. Can't even spell Reece James name right. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Seems credible. Can't even spell Reece James name right. He's pretty reliable with Liverpool stuff. Assume he's got it from Trent's side so spelling Reece wrong isn't really an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Seems credible. Can't even spell Reece James name right. Tbf if TAA was called up, it would be a bit of a surprise, but still bit of a poor error to get his name wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Smallen said: If he hasn’t decided whether it’s a back 3 or a back for by now we’ve got no chance Other teams change systems: “OMG England won’t cope against these foreign teams that can be tactically flexible!” England change system: “LOL, Southgate doesn’t know what he’s doing!!” Add @Smallen to the list of non-believers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Villa and Scouse fans when Football Comes Home and we haven't used Grealish or Alexander-Arnold: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Haguey said: Villa and Scouse fans when Football Comes Home and we haven't used Grealish or Alexander-Arnold: Me when Ward-Prowse wins the tournament with a perfect free kick: (p.s. there is far more to his game than the lazy pundit view all he has is free kicks and corners) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Tbf if TAA was called up, it would be a bit of a surprise, but still bit of a poor error to get his name wrong Yeah agreed. Obviously no smoke without fire and I expect Trent to miss out considering all that's been said. But this is still all just gossip at the moment. The players are in Middlesbrough on a training camp with an upcoming Friendly to play for. Injuries can happen, players could play themselves into contention with a good performance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, skybluedave said: Yeah agreed. Obviously no smoke without fire and I expect Trent to miss out considering all that's been said. But this is still all just gossip at the moment. The players are in Middlesbrough on a training camp with an upcoming Friendly to play for. Injuries can happen, players could play themselves into contention with a good performance. Absolutely. There's already a couple of players with injury issues ( Henderson, Maguire for example) so always a chance for people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, skybluedave said: Obviously no smoke without fire That is a deeply flawed saying. If you were falsely accused of something, there is no fire to the smoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 **** Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I honestly don’t see why he would take Trent over Reece James or Kyle Walker. Trippier is also more versatile and has just been part of a league winning Atletico side, you’d assume Southgate sees more of Trippier than most, it’s not like he’s still stinking it out at Spurs - and Trent pre-dropping has had a poor season and been exposed with Liverpool’s injury woes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 La Liga winner, CL winner, PL winner and CL finalist, or the guy who was gash most of the season but did alright in the last six weeks against mid-table and lower opposition (and a Man Utd secure in second). At least TAA will be fit for Liverpool next season, he needs a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Haguey said: La Liga winner, CL winner, PL winner and CL finalist, or the guy who was gash most of the season but did alright in the last six weeks against mid-table and lower opposition (and a Man Utd secure in second). At least TAA will be fit for Liverpool next season, he needs a break. The whole debate is the least of our issues, and its really weird how wound up people are getting 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, Haguey said: La Liga winner, CL winner, PL winner and CL finalist, or the guy who was gash most of the season but did alright in the last six weeks against mid-table and lower opposition (and a Man Utd secure in second). At least TAA will be fit for Liverpool next season, he needs a break. Just call up Atlético, Chelsea and City players then? Weird argument. Trent is by far the best right back England have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I mean, they're the ones winning stuff with players playing well this season so... yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, EnterUsernameHere said: Just call up Atlético, Chelsea and City players then? Weird argument. Trent is by far the best right back England have. Trent is the best attacking right back we have but not defensively and Southgate isn’t going to set us up to play in a way that gets the best out of Trent’s strengths or hides his weaknesses. I think fair play to Southgate for not shoe horning in players that don’t fit how he plays. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Haguey said: I mean, they're the ones winning stuff with players playing well this season so... yeah A team's success doesn't always filter down to every player. I think you're either underrating Trent defensively or overrating the others here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, PaulHartman71 said: Trent is the best attacking right back we have but not defensively and Southgate isn’t going to set us up to play in a way that gets the best out of Trent’s strengths or hides his weaknesses. I think fair play to Southgate for not shoe horning in players that don’t fit how he plays. He's statistically been dribbled past least, tackled with the most success and recovered the ball most out of all 4 options, and that's before you get onto attacking play. He's not the best defensive full back in the world but you're not comparing him to players who are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: He's statistically been dribbled past least, tackled with the most success and recovered the ball most out of all 4 options, and that's before you get onto attacking play. He's not the best defensive full back in the world but you're not comparing him to players who are. Reece James was brilliant the other night. Not seen any of Atletico this season but if Trippier is playing regularly in a Simeone side he’s obviously doing something right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Think this is debateable but if Henderson is fit he does offer more overall I’d say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, PaulHartman71 said: Reece James was brilliant the other night. Not seen any of Atletico this season but if Trippier is playing regularly in a Simeone side he’s obviously doing something right. Trippier largely excellent, particularly with his positioning. Much more concerned with what's in front of Trippier or whoever is at right back tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, PaulHartman71 said: Reece James was brilliant the other night. Not seen any of Atletico this season but if Trippier is playing regularly in a Simeone side he’s obviously doing something right. Reece James and Trippier are good players. James made the mistake that cost Chelsea in the FA cup final - it happens, but it seems to only be Trent that gets labelled as a liability, when he's far from it. They suit Southgate's boring tactics more maybe, but that's a reason to get rid of Southgate than praise him for not taking the best option in a position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) JWP only offers set pieces and he's far behind the other contenders in general play, and while that's useful (and I'd have him in my 26 for this reason), you can see why we don't want a one-dimensional quarterback in the squad. Edited May 31, 2021 by Haguey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Hmmm, haven't seen MLG in a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 Ward-Prowse was always only getting in if Henderson wasn't fit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Maybe I wasn't paying attention but aren't they deciding this after the warm up games? When is the actual squad list cut off point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: They suit Southgate's boring tactics more maybe, but that's a reason to get rid of Southgate than praise him for not taking the best option in a position. How many England games you watched past 3 years? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzaj Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Maybe I wasn't paying attention but aren't they deciding this after the warm up games? When is the actual squad list cut off point tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, skybluedave said: How many England games you watched past 3 years? Rarely watch England outside of tournaments so I'd say less than 2. Point is that if your tactics can't get the best out of Trent (and couldn't/can't get the best out of Grealish, there's a problem with your tactics). Edited May 31, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzaj Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 almost seems like the less people watch England the more people have to say about who should be playing for them 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Liverpool fans getting angry at Trent possibly not called up to Euro 2021 are reaching "Italians seeing people put cream in Carbonara" levels of meltdown. Also, if Trent ain't going then I'd try to fit JWP in for his set-piece qualities that will be missing if Trent stays home. Also, people underrate JWP's ability outside of set-pieces a lot here, it's insane. He's got a good engine on him, durable (played every minute of the past two Premier League seasons in a row), good passing range, and has a long ranger in him. I know Henderson bring leadership qualities to him and he should be in ahead of JWP should he be fit, but it isn't like JWP isn't also Southampton's captain?! If Henderson's a doubt, JWP can fill in no doubt. That being said, England's got too many options and Southgate won't end up pleasing anyone with his selections come tomorrow when the squad is announced. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Maybe I wasn't paying attention but aren't they deciding this after the warm up games? When is the actual squad list cut off point Squad deadline is tomorrow but they can replace injured players right up until the day before the tournament starts. So they will have a final 26 named before the friendlies, but possible a handful of others are kept around and carry on training with them in case of drop outs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I'll be interested to see whether we go 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. At this point, you have to start Foden and Sancho over Rashford and Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rice? Shaw, Maguire, Stones, Tripper/Walker Maybe Grealish in for Henderson if he's not fit and you go more aggressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said: Reece James was brilliant the other night. Not seen any of Atletico this season but if Trippier is playing regularly in a Simeone side he’s obviously doing something right. Brilliant? He was arguably their weakest link. If Sterling wasn't in dreadful form, there's a good chance James costs Chelsea UCL. Make no mistake, none of the four are great defenders. TAA is by far the best going forward. Not even having him on the bench is a shockingly bad decision. I feel bad for TAA, but hardly angry about it. I suspect this works out in his favor in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Rarely watch England outside of tournaments so I'd say less than 2. Point is that if your tactics can't get the best out of Trent (and couldn't/can't get the best out of Grealish, there's a problem with your tactics). 100% but not just those two. Sancho, Foden, Mount, Bellingham, Rashford, Sterling etc. We have a lot of attacking talent which Southgate will need to manage right. Goes without saying and we will see in a few weeks If you'd watched the qualifiers you'd have seen us look pretty good going forward. Scored bucket loads, against average teams ofc, but it was an exciting template to build off of. He then reverted to an overly defensive 343 for the Nations League which didn't really work and now here we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Putting cream in carbonara is a far bigger crime than not picking Alexander-Arnold. Should result in instant dismissal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I'll be interested to see whether we go 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. At this point, you have to start Foden and Sancho over Rashford and Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rice? Shaw, Maguire, Stones, Tripper/Walker Maybe Grealish in for Henderson if he's not fit and you go more aggressive Can Mount play in the middle 2 of 343? Coz if so that's the only way I can get excited for 343. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I'll be interested to see whether we go 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. At this point, you have to start Foden and Sancho over Rashford and Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rice? Shaw, Maguire, Stones, Tripper/Walker Maybe Grealish in for Henderson if he's not fit and you go more aggressive I think that he'll definitely stack the midfield against Croatia because that's where the battle was lost for you guys in WC semi-final. Croatia will probably go with Modrić-Brozović-Kovačić midfield and I don't think you can have the luxury of playing Grealish as a midfielder unless it's 3-5-2. Even Mount as one of the three in 4-3-3 would be questionable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, skybluedave said: Can Mount play in the middle 2 of 343? Coz if so that's the only way I can get excited for 343. Yeah he definitely could. Mount and Rice/Henderson and then Foden/Grealish and Sancho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: I think that he'll definitely stack the midfield against Croatia because that's where the battle was lost for you guys in WC semi-final. Croatia will probably go with Modrić-Brozović-Kovačić midfield and I don't think you can have the luxury of playing Grealish as a midfielder unless it's 3-5-2. Even Mount as one of the three in 4-3-3 would be questionable. I think that's why he's been dicking about with the 3-4-3 tbh, getting overwhelmed in midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Dont think Shaw over Chilwell is clear cut either tbh, quite a few positions are up in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, VamPook said: Hmmm, haven't seen MLG in a while Saints didn't do very well from around November time. 59 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Rarely watch England outside of tournaments so I'd say less than 2. Point is that if your tactics can't get the best out of Trent (and couldn't/can't get the best out of Grealish, there's a problem with your tactics). How come you are getting so invested in who we play at RB then? I mean you aren't English and don't watch the games outside of the tournaments. Surely you'd just prefer if Trent stayed at home for selfish Liverpool reasons? 45 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I'll be interested to see whether we go 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. At this point, you have to start Foden and Sancho over Rashford and Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rice? Shaw, Maguire, Stones, Tripper/Walker Maybe Grealish in for Henderson if he's not fit and you go more aggressive I posted in here recently about this, I wonder if Maguire isn't fit for the tournament we just go three at the back? I don't like the CB options besides Maguire and Stones personally. I could see a Mings - Stones - Walker setup in that case. Assuming of course that Southgate was planning on a 433 prior to Maguire's injury. Edited May 31, 2021 by craigcwwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I'd start Shaw assuming he does well in the friendlies, but wouldn't be against Chilwell starting. Both have similar strengths and weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Can Mount play in the middle 2 of 343? Coz if so that's the only way I can get excited for 343. He could but he'd be wasted as most of his best work is done going forward (factoring in pressing etc), we've tended to look much, much better with him playing as one of the 10s than him playing deep in the 2. Would have him as the 10, or the left of a midfield 3. Shaw in a back 4, Chilwell in a back 3 for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Saints didn't do very well from around November time. How come you are getting so invested in who we play at RB then? I mean you aren't English and don't watch the games outside of the tournaments. Surely you'd just prefer if Trent stayed at home for selfish Liverpool reasons? I posted in here recently about this, I wonder if Maguire isn't fit for the tournament we just go three at the back? I don't like the CB options besides Maguire and Stones personally. I could see a Mings - Stones - Walker setup in that case. Assuming of course that Southgate was planning on a 433 prior to Maguire's injury. I just find how he's judged to be laughably wrong. R.e. better for Liverpool - definitely fitness wise, who knows about mentally - could be better or worse depending on his reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Reece James did have a decent final but he also got schooled by Bertrand Traore in the final game of the season so you know, he's not quite Cafu just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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