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nottmred1

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I am starting to get extremely annoyed with erratic form. It was the same on FM13 and seems to be the same this version too. Form is always in patterns.

For example, I went four games without a win. I then won six games in a row. I now haven't won in five and counting. Nothing has changed, the tactics and the side remain the same. No doubt when I do finally win I'll win 4/5 in a row before going on another winless streak. Totally unrealistic and ruins the game for me.

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My last post was a whinge about the issues with the release version of the ME. So now this is me, scuttling backwards with my tail between my legs. Granted, there were some issues in the last version; granted, my team went from mid-table scrappers to under-9 schoolboys overnight. But then I read wwfan's superb 12-step guide, tried to understand the concepts he explains, made some tweaks - and hey presto, the team's playing properly, and the ME feels responsive to what I'm trying to do.

One suggestion for the future - perhaps more in-depth tool tips that you could click through to, with the level of background explanation that wwfan gives on the forum? Have played CM/FM for close on 15 years, but hadon't really understood the new tactical model until reading that.

But for now - whinge withdrawn, with huge credit to SI for addressing this week's issues so quickly. And for producing what must be the best version of FM yet.

Glad I could help. Posts like this make us all want to continue helping. Thanks.

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CONS

- There's still the issue where a player will turn down a contract offer from you, then sign for another, similar club for half the amount they asked from you, an amount normally well within your own budget. I can understand it if they signed for a bigger, more prestigious club, but when it's a similar club in the same league, it would never happen IRL.

I agree. I think the overall transfer system is pretty terrible and basically operates as an AI advantage.

I finished mid table in the skrill North which is far higher than expected since I was relegation favourites. Players from lower teams in my league arent interested in coming. Players from lower leagues arent interested in coming to my club even if they are free agents. I get no information as to why they arent interested in coming which makes it worse since there is no logical reason for it.

To top it all off after 1 year where we have overacheived and so everyone should be relatively happy (and in any event its not like the majority of them are good enough to go elsewhere), I got a message saying that 3/4 of my squads contracts are up for renewal. Thats fine, except that 1/2 of those arent interested in staying (again with no reason given, despite their morale and happiness being high) and the 1/2 that are want weekly wages ~3x what they were on last season.

I get that managing in the lower leagues is meant to be hard and involve high turnover, but this is ridiculous.

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September Sacking Fever is going strong - at least four or five managers have lost their jobs on 21.09 - including Pellegrini getting the boot from Man City after 5 games in charge, leaving them on the 7th place, 4 points behind the leaders :)

FM boards still have Roman's tempers I see :)

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Ever since the update today, over half of my previously happy squad have come to me stating they want to leave for various reasons, not sure if this is coincidence or not, but none of the players complaining have reason to do so.

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voe2012

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there's two options for tutoring, if I remember well the first one transfers PPM &personality (hidden+determination), the second on only transfers mental attributes. I choose the first one by default, however, in my game in January 2014 6 tutor pairs "finish" but not a single PPM has been transfered? Also, I fail to see jumps in determination. Anyone else noticed?

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Kriss

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9 games without a win now. Just on the back of 6 game winning streak. Nothing has changed at all. Same tactics, same side. Ridiculously unrealistic.

Since the update I've gone 12 games undefeated (though 5 were draws) It's just football, your current plight is nothing unusual at all, not in FM or in the real world.

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Kraftwerk

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Since the update I've gone 12 games undefeated (though 5 were draws) It's just football, your current plight is nothing unusual at all, not in FM or in the real world.

Of course it's "unusual" for a team to win 6 games on the trot and then fail to win 1 in 9 afterwards.

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Since the update I've gone 12 games undefeated (though 5 were draws) It's just football, your current plight is nothing unusual at all, not in FM or in the real world.

I honestly would struggle to think of an example where a team hasn't won in four, then wins 6 on the bounce and then doesn't win in 10 (and counting) or something similar. Nothing springs to mind at all. If I'm wrong fair enough but can you think of an example?

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Kraftwerk

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Do you have specific examples of contract offers being OTT? If so, certainly get them uploaded

Baines - http://i.imgur.com/LJRxNyt.png

Look at those bonuses. If I were to play him every game in just the league alone he'd be taking home just under half a million in appearance fee's alone! The wage is probably too high in itself as is the agent fee but it's the bonuses that really gall because it's constant and the same with weaker players than him.

Suarez - http://i.imgur.com/2xKZ7rI.png

Benteke - http://i.imgur.com/RWzaX3c.png

Huntelaar - http://i.imgur.com/zsD9Uzk.png

Klose - http://i.imgur.com/NnQo2LT.png

I can't understand why a 35 year old striker would want a 10k wage rise and a 16k increase on his appearance fee. 16k is too much for an appearance fee imo but a 16k increase? Come on.

Varane - http://i.imgur.com/8seuv3q.png

The appearance fee stands out once more. A huge 25k increase would be in order in that department.

Offering Cazorla a new contract - http://i.imgur.com/NRnNb6l.png

Bearing in mind this is the very start of the game, why would he want a 25.5k increase in his appearance fee?

De Rossi - http://i.imgur.com/4z5Rt7K.png

Championship veteran player Julio Cesar - http://i.imgur.com/7mTDTpq.png

Chiellini - http://i.imgur.com/hi9fOuT.png

All you can do is LOL at the appearance fee and agent fee. I'm fully aware of the excuses that'll follow. "He doesn't really want to join you so he's trying to put you off or force you to offer so much that he can't say no." Good one.

I allowed Monaco to sign Griezmann so I could see his contract details before I reloaded and offered him my own contract. Here's their contract: http://i.imgur.com/494iWq9.png

Here's what would've been required for him to play for Arsenal: http://i.imgur.com/fDrMuhE.png

Why the ridiculous increase in appearance fee and especially unused substitute fee? Why does the AI consistently get a considerably greater deal when buying and selling players than we do?

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Baines - http://i.imgur.com/LJRxNyt.png

Look at those bonuses. If I were to play him every game in just the league alone he'd be taking home just under half a million in appearance fee's alone! The wage is probably too high in itself as is the agent fee but it's the bonuses that really gall because it's constant and the same with weaker players than him.

Suarez - http://i.imgur.com/2xKZ7rI.png

Benteke - http://i.imgur.com/RWzaX3c.png

Huntelaar - http://i.imgur.com/zsD9Uzk.png

Klose - http://i.imgur.com/NnQo2LT.png

I can't understand why a 35 year old striker would want a 10k wage rise and a 16k increase on his appearance fee. 16k is too much for an appearance fee imo but a 16k increase? Come on.

Varane - http://i.imgur.com/8seuv3q.png

The appearance fee stands out once more. A huge 25k increase would be in order in that department.

Offering Cazorla a new contract - http://i.imgur.com/NRnNb6l.png

Bearing in mind this is the very start of the game, why would he want a 25.5k increase in his appearance fee?

De Rossi - http://i.imgur.com/4z5Rt7K.png

Championship veteran player Julio Cesar - http://i.imgur.com/7mTDTpq.png

Chiellini - http://i.imgur.com/hi9fOuT.png

All you can do is LOL at the appearance fee and agent fee. I'm fully aware of the excuses that'll follow. "He doesn't really want to join you so he's trying to put you off or force you to offer so much that he can't say no." Good one.

I allowed Monaco to sign Griezmann so I could see his contract details before I reloaded and offered him my own contract. Here's their contract: http://i.imgur.com/494iWq9.png

Here's what would've been required for him to play for Arsenal: http://i.imgur.com/fDrMuhE.png

Why the ridiculous increase in appearance fee and especially unused substitute fee? Why does the AI consistently get a considerably greater deal when buying and selling players than we do?

Definitely send the save in on the bugs thread, with the screenshots

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Glad I could help. Posts like this make us all want to continue helping. Thanks.

Me too. Your guide has been really helpful - thank you wwfan. The game is now playing pretty well - could be the best yet, despite my early pessimism, so well done SI too.

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Kriss

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I honestly would struggle to think of an example where a team hasn't won in four, then wins 6 on the bounce and then doesn't win in 10 (and counting) or something similar. Nothing springs to mind at all. If I'm wrong fair enough but can you think of an example?

Rather than looking for proof that it couldn't possibly happen you should just be working on changing it.

I suggest the tactics forum is the place to go, they specalise in problems like this.

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Well I had to change my tactic a bit as from a team doing well we were either being very unlucky or the tactic was no good anymore, tbh it could be the former as we were dominating some games but always came away with a defeat, anyway back on track after a 3 straight wins.

I have to say 2 points that are bothering me some.

1. I know the saying is "you are at your most vulnerable after you have scored" in the game though it is scary just how often a team concedes after they score, this is both for and against me, it is getting to the point when I see a team going for goal straight after they have had a goal against them I have pretty much taken it as a given they will score, I think this needs to be looked at.

2.The ease at which wide players can just walk into the box is quite unrealistic, They are not running but just casually walking in from wide, no player closes them down, they then get to the 6 yard box and either score or pass for a goal/CCC miss, again something that needs to be looked at.

Really enjoying my Leipzig save even with these issues, not sure why I never managed in Germany before, is good fun, will be even better when these owners let me get my hands on all that cash they have <wicked grin>.

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Wow, this patch has fixed alot of my issues, M.E seems great! Thanks guys :thup:.

Just one question, and I'm not 100% sure how to fix(it's from my own UI). Playing a 3D match commentary doesn't always show at the bottom. E.G my AMR just cut in, made a great run and smashed it top corner, and there was no text or flashing goal. Any idea how to fix?

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nottmred1

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Rather than looking for proof that it couldn't possibly happen you should just be working on changing it.

I suggest the tactics forum is the place to go, they specalise in problems like this.

I think that's part of the problem though mate.

It seems the AI (not individual teams) just cracks your tactic and they all learn to play against it. I won 6 on the bounce before no problem, now every team has just suddenly learned to play against me. Just doesn't add up.

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Kriss

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I think that's part of the problem though mate.

It seems the AI (not individual teams) just cracks your tactic and they all learn to play against it. I won 6 on the bounce before no problem, now every team has just suddenly learned to play against me. Just doesn't add up.

The AI does NOT crack your tactic, it takes note of your current form and rep and sets up it's tactic accordingly, so the better you become the more defensive they become and you have to adjust accordingly.

You definitely should consult wwfan and his cabal :)

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The game seems to be completely ignoring my staff responsibilities settings.

I've set it to only be contacted by agents about future prospects and transfer listed players and I'm still being offered free agents.

Plus I've set the relevant staff to give me advice in different areas (e.g man management, youth development etc) and I'm just getting my assistant manager pop up for all of them: http://imgur.com/4VGR6HF

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The AI does NOT crack your tactic, it takes note of your current form and rep and sets up it's tactic accordingly, so the better you become the more defensive they become and you have to adjust accordingly.

You definitely should consult wwfan and his cabal :)

So 10/11 managers all become master tacticians overnight and learn to play against your particular set up? I never had James Beattie down as a tactical genius to be honest.

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Kraftwerk

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Kriss, I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was unusual. Teams don't fall of a cliff that quickly with their form and if they do (I'm hesitant to use the word "when" because I genuinely cannot think of one example of such drastic swings in form ever occurring) it'd be a huge talking point. It wouldn't be brushed off as "just football".

The link seems to be some scientific study about how likely each result is etc which really proves nothing on the subject at hand.

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Kraftwerk

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you have to adjust accordingly.

This is what gets me. Do teams like Barcelona or Bayern adjust accordingly when they're playing inferior teams? They don't change a winning formula to combat the opposition playing an extra defender. That's where I think it's inaccurate to expect the human controlled team to have to throw their winning tactic out of the window and come up with a new plan.

I suppose it depends on who you're managing. If you're managing a smaller/rubbish team then yeah, by all means, it's on you to adjust and suss it out. If you're managing the runaway league leaders? I don't think you should be chopping and changing to beat relegation fodder at home simply because they've took note of your form and played an extra defender or holding mid.

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I honestly would struggle to think of an example where a team hasn't won in four, then wins 6 on the bounce and then doesn't win in 10 (and counting) or something similar. Nothing springs to mind at all. If I'm wrong fair enough but can you think of an example?

I give you Norwich City, 10 games unbeaten prior to xmas 2012, 6 wins in 31 games since

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This is what gets me. Do teams like Barcelona or Bayern adjust accordingly when they're playing inferior teams? They don't change a winning formula to combat the opposition playing an extra defender. That's where I think it's inaccurate to expect the human controlled team to have to throw their winning tactic out of the window and come up with a new plan.

I suppose it depends on who you're managing. If you're managing a smaller/rubbish team then yeah, by all means, it's on you to adjust and suss it out. If you're managing the runaway league leaders? I don't think you should be chopping and changing to beat relegation fodder at home simply because they've took note of your form and played an extra defender or holding mid.

You don't throw the tactic anywhere, you make minor tweaks to counter their reluctance to come at you, and yes Barcelona etc do have to do exactly that on occasions.

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So 10/11 managers all become master tacticians overnight and learn to play against your particular set up? I never had James Beattie down as a tactical genius to be honest.

Nope, they realise your a tough proposition and act accordingly, they're turning you over because you aren't doing anything about that.

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This is what gets me. Do teams like Barcelona or Bayern adjust accordingly when they're playing inferior teams? They don't change a winning formula to combat the opposition playing an extra defender. .

Are you saying that if Bayern were losing at home to, say, Mainz, that Guardiola would just stand there and do nothing?

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Dean Gripton

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anybody know why the Skrill Premier doesn't have player photo's this year? very disappointed!

We ask the clubs to submit the player photos. If they do not do so, there is nothing we can do.

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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but in my perusing of the forum I haven't seen it: when you change a player's role during a match, it appears to change the permanent individual instructions that you have given to that player. For example, I had set Rooney to be, as standard a False Nine (for better or for worse) when playing in the STC position. In one match however, I changed this to him being a Complete Foward (Attack). The next match, when I brought him off the bench, his role was automatically set to Complete Forward. If this is indeed a bug then I'll be happy to put it in the relevant sub-forum, however in case this is working as designed, I'd like to briefly argue why I disagree with this mechanic.

Tactics are, as I would imagine most would agree, contextual. Equally, the player instructions need to be sometimes changed in order to suit the circumstances of particular matches. I haven't tested this supposed bug thoroughly yet, though I noticed it quite a few times during the Beta, and I am now regretting not bringing it up sooner. I can't be sure if changing a player's role during a match wipes out all the individual tactical instructions (role, instructions, etc) or whether it's just a simple role swap, however I would argue that just because I change a player's role during a match (both through the substitution menu and the player role menu) does not mean that I want to overwrite the instructions that I had already set out for that player. What it means is that in the context of this particular match, I would like the player in question to perform a role necessitated by the circumstances of the match.

Apologies for the rant if this is a bug but, as I say, if it's working as designed I just wanted to put forward a case for why I feel this is not perhaps the most adequate feature.

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Are you saying that if Bayern were losing at home to, say, Mainz, that Guardiola would just stand there and do nothing?

No. I'm saying that ahead of a match v Mainz at home Guardiola wouldn't change his winning formula just because Mainz know how they're going to play.

But, for what it's worth, the scenario you put forward happened lots of times when he was at Barcelona (literally).

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I do change mid game.

Are you saying Guardiola would change his whole tactics for the next game against Monchengladbach?

No, of course he wouldn't. And if you're managing Bayern or Barcelona, you don't have to either. Subtle changes can be more effective than drastic ones.

In my game, my team were pre-season favourites for the title, and we're currently top of the league. I'm in the 2nd half of the season now, and it's getting tougher to break down teams at home. My starting tactic hasn't changed all season, but I'm now having to be a bit more reactionary during the games to prevent bad results.

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No, of course he wouldn't. And if you're managing Bayern or Barcelona, you don't have to either. Subtle changes can be more effective than drastic ones.

In my game, my team were pre-season favourites for the title, and we're currently top of the league. I'm in the 2nd half of the season now, and it's getting tougher to break down teams at home. My starting tactic hasn't changed all season, but I'm now having to be a bit more reactionary during the games to prevent bad results.

I accept and agree with the subtle change thing but the thing that makes me slightly hesitant to tweak is the fact that your fluidity drops when you do.

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Last season Walsall were sixth after 5 wins in 7 at the end of Sept. Then they didn't win in 13. When they broke that run they then won 6 out of 7. Then they lost a game, before embarking on a 15-game unbeaten run.

Obviously that is an extreme example but it does happen. Crystal Palace lost the first three league games last season, then went 14 games unbeaten (winning 11). Then they won just 2 out of 12 and towards the end of the season even though they were in the promotion battle they went nine games without a win.

Anyone, statto time over, back to the feedback.

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I'm sorry, but what changes were meant to be made to match ratings? I'm still getting ridiculously low ratings from all my players unless they've scored a goal or set one up.

Look at my full backs :D This is from 4 wins and 2 defeats.

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And away from the ratings nonsense there are far too many shots, meaning maddening and unrealistic stuff like this happens

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I don't think it's my tactics somehow.

You know what? I can just about accept drawing a game I've dominated, what I can't accept is having THIRTY-ONE shots against Chelsea.

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