themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Because usability is atrocious. 1. Why is the continue button all the way in the top right so far away from the back/forward buttons? 2. When you click on league table tab, it doesn't actually take you to the league table but just to the league page. Whats the point of saying league table? Just make one league page button while you're at it. 3. You can't check player statistics or form without pressing two extra buttons now. May be small things to some but when you're someone like me who constantly checks these things its annoying. 4. Whats the point of managing subscriptions when it doesn't even go into your inbox. I was getting excited for this feature because i thought i would no longer miss out on important news in my inbox. But ala it doesn't even show up and you would still miss out on it if you don't check manually. 5. When will they learn that white skin is bad on the eye when most players are staring at it for 2-3 hours a day. 6. Icon placements - why the hell is it all at the top? Side bars are not in anymore? Now i have 3 rows of things on top of another row on the button can it get anymore confusing? Hopefully someone designs a skin thats actually usable soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I find it hard to get around FM10 but it will come naturally after a bit of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capretard Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 hmm i love the new skin (but i use the dark one) i think it looks 'new' if that makes sense i do agree though that the white one makes my eyes bleed but apart from i love it and won't be changing skin for a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueowl Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I hate the new skin , But I'm sure that is down to nothing more than it being new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I love the 'white' skin. I sometimes think maybe people have their contrast, brightness etc settings horribly wrong, or have excessive light shining on their screen, because it's certainly not painful, difficult or in any way horrible to look at IMO. It looks sleek, classy and very very nice to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebanumut Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Couldnt agree more.You have to press more than 2or 3 buttons to find what u need.Guess we'll have to wait for other skins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Okay another thing that irks me now is that to change tactics in classic view you have to press two buttons. ANNOYING! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themoffster Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 They keep changing the layout for every FM and there is no need to do so. They should concentrate more on the work under the bonnet rather than tying to dress it prettily (which they have failed to do this year) FM 9 interface >> FM 10 interface. FM 10 is just too large and blocky. Furthermore, if they feel that they have to change the interface every year because the old one "wasn't good enough last year", then i suggest they are employing the wrong people. They've had about three major bites at the cherry now and the consensus is very much far from overwhelming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WH Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I'm still finding my way around it but i find the white skin very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulkster02 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have to admit the new interface is certainly different & it will take some getting used to. But then all those who played CM games had to become familar with the new FM interface. So when you do become familar with the new layout, your grievanaces will deminish. Well here's to hoping... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted October 16, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 16, 2009 It's the same every time something is changed. You get the "OMG it's different" knee-jerk reaction before people have given it a chance and got used to doing things a bit differently. I'm not saying it's perfect but the complaints have been minimal compared to previous UI changes which is good. Oh, and if you don't like the white skin then you can change to the dark skin. And if you activate through Steam then you will be able to download the FM 2009 skin so everyone should be catered for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 And another thing i've noticed when you press team talk it doesn't do anything. You have to press it twice for it to continue or play. I have assistant managing my team talks, anyone else experiencing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I absolutely love the new interface, personally. It's a vast step forward, especially for those of us with widescreen monitors, and makes the game look much more modern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 But change is not always for the better! I'll see if I can get the demo installed and do a usability study of some sort, but I think the OP raises good questions about how "League Table" doesn't give you a league table, for example. That said, I don't particularly care much about league pages - just the table. News and such is secondary to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Oh, and if you don't like the white skin then you can change to the dark skin. And if you activate through Steam then you will be able to download the FM 2009 skin so everyone should be catered for. Ter, will there be issues with the 09 skin being posted on these forums for non Steam users? I can't imagine I'd want to use it, but hypothetically would I be able to get hold of the skin if I didn't activate with Steam, or would there be exclusivity issues prohibiting it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted October 16, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 16, 2009 But change is not always for the better!I'll see if I can get the demo installed and do a usability study of some sort, but I think the OP raises good questions about how "League Table" doesn't give you a league table, for example. That said, I don't particularly care much about league pages - just the table. News and such is secondary to me. Those are things we would like to have logged in the Bugs Forum so that we can look into them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 I downloaded the strawberry demo so im assuming there is no dark skin right? Cause it isn't there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLLMEISTER1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 new interface far too complicated, pressing several buttons too find what you actually wanted to find is annoying. Blockyness of the buttons and tabs are rediculous. it just seems to me as though they have complicated every tab possible on the interface. 2009 was perfect i thought easy to follow understand without overcomplicating things like the new interface. a big dissapointment im affraid to say. Had high hopes aswell si Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Okay another thing that irks me now is that to change tactics in classic view you have to press two buttons. ANNOYING! i know what you mean, 2 clicks is absolutely disgusting!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Lizard Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 What i dont like about the continue buttons placing is that i often accidentally click on minimize or close because it's in the upper right corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members+ JAndersson Posted October 16, 2009 Members+ Share Posted October 16, 2009 They keep changing the layout for every FM and there is no need to do so.They should concentrate more on the work under the bonnet rather than tying to dress it prettily (which they have failed to do this year) FM 9 interface >> FM 10 interface. FM 10 is just too large and blocky. Furthermore, if they feel that they have to change the interface every year because the old one "wasn't good enough last year", then i suggest they are employing the wrong people. They've had about three major bites at the cherry now and the consensus is very much far from overwhelming. This is the first major change in the interface since FM2005, we don't change it just for the sake of changing it (FM2008 and FM2009 were almost identical). The old interface had a lot of usability problems, and it really couldn't be taken much further. So we had a look at what the game has evolved into and built a new interface on top of it. Overall the response in usability studies and on the forums has very positive, especially considering how big of a change it is. While it's not perfect yet, I think the response shows that we're heading in the right direction. Give it a chance and take some time to get used to it. If you still don't like it, report specific issue in the bugs forum so we can improve on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 i know what you mean, 2 clicks is absolutely disgusting!! Well it shouldn't be this way. I pressed it once and thought my computer was just slow and i just kept waiting and waiting then i press again and viola! Its obviously a bug deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrustking56 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I absolutely love the new interface, personally.It's a vast step forward, especially for those of us with widescreen monitors, and makes the game look much more modern. Agreed Love the new skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well it shouldn't be this way. I pressed it once and thought my computer was just slow and i just kept waiting and waiting then i press again and viola! Its obviously a bug deal with it. Wait.. it's unresponsive and you assume it's your computer's fault. You wait and try again, and it works, and that's a bug? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic_1967 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 It's the same every time something is changed. You get the "OMG it's different" knee-jerk reaction before people have given it a chance and got used to doing things a bit differently.I'm not saying it's perfect but the complaints have been minimal compared to previous UI changes which is good. Oh, and if you don't like the white skin then you can change to the dark skin. And if you activate through Steam then you will be able to download the FM 2009 skin so everyone should be catered for. Ter, will the steam 09 skin be the same layout, with tree menu etc, as the 09 game or just the same colourwise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wait.. it's unresponsive and you assume it's your computer's fault. You wait and try again, and it works, and that's a bug? :confused: I thought it was just my computer being slow but it isn't. Its just broken. Get it now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipsy Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 It's the same every time something is changed. You get the "OMG it's different" knee-jerk reaction before people have given it a chance and got used to doing things a bit differently.I'm not saying it's perfect but the complaints have been minimal compared to previous UI changes which is good. Oh, and if you don't like the white skin then you can change to the dark skin. And if you activate through Steam then you will be able to download the FM 2009 skin so everyone should be catered for. What about the people buying the cd? Will they be able to download this FM2009 skin on SI or partners sites at some point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Continue Button? People still use it? Christ, been using the spacebar for years. FWIW the new skin is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I thought it was just my computer being slow but it isn't. Its just broken.Get it now? What's broken? How do you know you didn't misclick, or simply, as I said, the game was unresponsive and probably still processing? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 What's broken? How do you know you didn't misclick, or simply, as I said, the game was unresponsive and probably still processing?:confused: Because the game runs smoothly everywhere else except after half time and full time when i have to press team talk TWICE. This isn't just one game. Its happening in every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrekiejai Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I use the dark skin and for most part likes it. However there are some extra clicks added for no particular reason. My pet hate right now is right-click player -> training -> Rest is now right-click -> try to find training -> rememeber now it's part of squad -> training -> Rest ... Why is training part of squad? Reserves/First team uses the same training schedule anyways so it's nothing to do with squad status. Especially when I just want to rest someone. Other than that, the forward/backward button confused me for awhile.. The rest seems ok so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdz Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I've always liked the default white skin, I can see everything compared to the dark skin where you can barely see (and plain looks fugly). As for the continue button, admittedly it took me a minute to find it at first, but I have no problem with where it is. I have no problems with the new layout, know where everything I want is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougess Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I really like the new interface, and I'm sure once I get used to it I'll love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I think the tactics interface is worst it looks like they tried to cram everything on one page and it's messy and not nice to work with in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themavsman Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 I think the tactics interface is worst it looks like they tried to cram everything on one page and it's messy and not nice to work with in my opinion Yep thats how i feel. There is no continuity with the interface. Everything is so crammed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I can't really comment on it being crammed as i have my native resolution at 1680 x x1050. I think the skin is good... obviously as Ter said things can be improved. The colours for the attributes arent't perfect... I can see why accidentaly pressing 'cross' or 'minimise' would be annoying on windowed mode but i use the space bar to 'continue' and the back/forward buttons on my mouse. Definately a step in the right direction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 One thing I have noticed with the 'Dark Skin' is that when you substitute a player it is almost impossible to see the names of the subs because the text and background colours are almost identical. Anyone had problems...or should I go to Specsavers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffovski Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 In the "white" skin, the scroll bars are almost the same colour/tone as the background, which has led me to not realize that there was more to read a couple of times. Now that I know about it, it still requires some extra attention to check if there is more to be found by scrolling or not. I don't like the "main" page of this new skin, when you click continue. I liked to see my squad screen generally. Now you need two clicks to access the squad screen. And when you do, and click continue again, the main page reverts again to this news page or whatever. In FM09 when you clicked continue it would remember what page you were viewing, unless there was an important notice or something. I miss the easy access left-side menu. I will also never get used to the continue button being on the far-right, and the back button on the far-left. They ought to be close to each other in the middle of the screen imo, to prevent long mouse slides regularly. Never liked any skins which had it different. Long mouse slides are ok when you are actively searching for something, not for something the game requires you to do continuously. I got fed up of it very quickly. In Tactics, to clear the selection now takes two clicks, not just one. For these reasons and more *, I will definitely try and get the FM09 skin, as there was nothing wrong with it imo. As long as the new stuff is accessible too. Please make the skin available to non-Steam users. * In short, it makes me "work" harder than before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I don't think I've EVER liked a new FM skin. At first. Every year I get used to it and going back to an old one always feels clunky and old. Give it a couple of weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I don't like the "main" page of this new skin, when you click continue. I liked to see my squad screen generally. Now you need two clicks to access the squad screen. And when you do, and click continue again, the main page reverts again to this news page or whatever. In FM09 when you clicked continue it would remember what page you were viewing, unless there was an important notice or something. Can this not be achieved via the Screen Flow settings? You can set different screens that the game will navigate to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffovski Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Can this not be achieved via the Screen Flow settings? You can set different screens that the game will navigate to. I don't see the option to use the squad screen, in Team Settings - Screen Flow. Just competitions tables etc. Thanks anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted October 16, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 16, 2009 Can this not be achieved via the Screen Flow settings? You can set different screens that the game will navigate to. No, you will always be taken to the Overview when clicking on an object (if the object has an overview section) Hopefully in future versions you will be able to choose which section to go to as default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebritykiller Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I love the new interface, but I will agree with not liking continue button top right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Garcia Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I love the new interface and prefer the light skin. The only thing I'd change is the colour of the players atributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Loving the new skin keep up the good work Ter:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I like the new skin. I am a little bit worried I won't be able to use my old FM09 player pictures, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne\'o Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 im finding it very difficult to find my way around at the moment, may be im used to buttons beeing else where.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I find a lot of things seem quite hidden without the sidebar. Training, staff, scouting etc.. you have to negotiate through several clicks to find them which is really quite annoying. The overall feel of the dark skin is nice though and buttons being in a slightly different place I can't moan about because thats just a matter of being used to something slightly different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Oh, and if you don't like the white skin then you can change to the dark skin. And if you activate through Steam then you will be able to download the FM 2009 skin so everyone should be catered for. But what if I want a darker version of the FM09 skin? I love the new interface and prefer the light skin. The only thing I'd change is the colour of the players atributes. http://www.community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=154120 I like the new skin. I am a little bit worried I won't be able to use my old FM09 player pictures, though. You can. The gap is now slightly smaller, but the game resizes the images so they fit in. Just copy them from their FM09 location to the FM10 location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 But what if I want a darker version of the FM09 skin? Black bin bag over the screen and turn the contrast and brightness up? Or get out the crayons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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