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Great insight.  Will pin this once it starts to drop down the forum a bit.

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One of things that irks me about this mechanism is that it takes a LONG time to improve a player's mental attributes with this gimmick. My backup striker Nico Williams is a part of the unit and it look like 3 seasons for his mental attributes to increase significantly. At the very least, it is working...

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2 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

One of things that irks me about this mechanism is that it takes a LONG time to improve a player's mental attributes with this gimmick. My backup striker Nico Williams is a part of the unit and it look like 3 seasons for his mental attributes to increase significantly. At the very least, it is working...

Mentoring has no direct impact on mental attributes (except Determination).  Mental attributes improve over time and with training, not Mentoring.

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6 hours ago, herne79 said:

Mentoring has no direct impact on mental attributes (except Determination).  Mental attributes improve over time and with training, not Mentoring.

Ahh...well, it did work on improving his Determination at least. He had shocking determination at the beginning... :D

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Can determination be increased through training or can only mentoring improve it? 

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2 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Can determination be increased through training or can only mentoring improve it? 

Mentoring and just being in a squad with more determined players, I believe. You can also get a one-off "x personality has significantly improved / worsened due to recent off-field events"

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The fact that Ronaldo has a bigger estimated influence means that Kean has more probabilities to get PPM from him than from Mandzukic? I really don't want he acquires Mandzukic's PPMs as ''argue with officials'' for example. Then wbe better to put Ronaldo and 2 youngsters? 
Is possible that the young player loses his PPM with mentoring?

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24 minutes ago, ParanoidBuddha said:

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The fact that Ronaldo has a bigger estimated influence means that Kean has more probabilities to get PPM from him than from Mandzukic? I really don't want he acquires Mandzukic's PPMs as ''argue with officials'' for example. Then wbe better to put Ronaldo and 2 youngsters? 
Is possible that the young player loses his PPM with mentoring?

1. Yes, influence is everything - from all I understand from Cleon's mentoring guide this is the case.

2. Probably yeah

3. I don't think they can lose moves, just gain new ones.

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Does this change the way of tutoring? Last year you tackled Personality in the U19 and almost before the season ends you have a U19 with very good Personality's. 

For example, I have a U19 with good potential but almost everybody has Balanced as Personality and 50% under 10 Determination. Does this effect there training really big until they get promoted and getting in the first team with good Personality's or can you just train them and tackle it later on? 

In a short question: Is Personality and Determination as important as last year? If yes, how to tackle it as soon as possible? 

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thanks a lot, great info

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On 02/04/2019 at 22:38, Rooks said:

Does this change the way of tutoring? Last year you tackled Personality in the U19 and almost before the season ends you have a U19 with very good Personality's. 

For example, I have a U19 with good potential but almost everybody has Balanced as Personality and 50% under 10 Determination. Does this effect there training really big until they get promoted and getting in the first team with good Personality's or can you just train them and tackle it later on? 

In a short question: Is Personality and Determination as important as last year? If yes, how to tackle it as soon as possible? 

Sorry only just seen this.

Everything matters if you want it to but not one thing alone is the deciding factor. It's the accumulation of everything that is the most important. You can't really isolate stuff anymore, as everything is intertwined and works together. In your example, how you manage this comes down to you and what you'd like. You could tackle this, later on, his current personality of balanced isn't bad, there are better personality types but balanced is bang middle of the road so it's not a total disaster. 

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So, what should I do with 16 or 17 year-olds that are in no way ready for first team, but have potential? Wait until they turn at least 18, and send them to the main team to be mentored, or...?

A more straight-forward version of the above: does mentoring matter more than the quality of youth training?

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10 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

So, what should I do with 16 or 17 year-olds that are in no way ready for first team, but have potential? Wait until they turn at least 18, and send them to the main team to be mentored, or...?

A more straight-forward version of the above: does mentoring matter more than the quality of youth training?

I thought I explained this in the article above?

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Another thing I see mentioned is people wanting to promote entire youth teams to the first team, just for the benefit of mentoring. Don’t do this, it’s a bit silly. Mentoring isn’t that powerful and it’s something that is considered long-term compared to tutoring. Before tutoring was this powerful tool that unrealistically allowed you to change personality in a few short months. Allowing you to turn unambitious players into model professionals in a very short amount of time. Forget this mindset and think of mentoring as part of everything overall and not the governing factor in everything.

Promoting everyone to the first team to be mentored is also very unrealistic and does have some implications. One of those implications is the training they get in the youth squads is actually more demanding from a workload perspective as the players can do more due to playing fewer games. This is reflected in the sessions and schedules. So technically the players would be doing less training by promoting them, as the game would think you planned on actually using them. This is why you should only promote those who you plan on using and giving game time to, or to take a closer look at specific players in general.

Another reason for not promoting everyone is actual match days. The youth team match days would likely be out of sync with the first team. Meaning they’d be losing training days because they’re on the first teams training schedule but still playing youth games (if you made them available that is) on a youth schedule. So any training that would take place on a youth game day wouldn’t happen for those playing in the youth game. Then on the senior teams match day, you don’t have training so the players wouldn’t be making up for it there either. So think wisely and weigh up the benefits of everything before being hasty and thinking promoting everyone would be a good idea and strategy. Because in truth, it wouldn’t and you’d be wasting possible training days.

Not everyone needs to be mentored. If you want players to develop then they really need to be in the relevant squads. If you have someone who is the first team at a young age then you should be giving them game time. If not then they're better off in the youths where they'll get the game time needed and will have a higher training workload. The youth teams can handle a higher workload for training due to playing fewer games and this is reflected in the youth schedules.

Also, nothing matters more than one thing, it's all cumulative and everything plays a part.

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On 13/03/2019 at 11:56, Cleon said:

Every player that I sign, I always have a look at which player gets to ‘welcome’ them to the club. This is an important stage for me because I want to know if the person welcoming to the club, is a good fit for mentoring them via the welcoming feature.

1. Do you ever choose not to welcome player at the club?

2. Is there a possibility to chose what player welcomes new signing?

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11 minutes ago, yolixeya said:

1. Do you ever choose not to welcome player at the club?

2. Is there a possibility to chose what player welcomes new signing?

1 - Yes frequently, this is why I check to see if its a good match or not.

2 - Not really, the game selects one of the team leaders/captains

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31 minutes ago, Cleon said:

2 - Not really, the game selects one of the team leaders/captains

Just ignore the suggestion on the news screen and go into your squad. Pick a player, Interaction>Ambassadorial Duties>Welcome new player. Might work or he might say he can't be ar*ed and get such and such to do it

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1 hour ago, gavinski33 said:

Just ignore the suggestion on the news screen and go into your squad. Pick a player, Interaction>Ambassadorial Duties>Welcome new player. Might work or he might say he can't be ar*ed and get such and such to do it

I will  try that next time I sign someone.  Now I'm glad I asked. So you can confirm that it works, at least sometimes?

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Yeah, I signed 4 or 5 young lads this pre-season and picked a different player to welcome each of them. Think there was only one that got narky about it. 

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Hi, great guide. I have a question. How important is  player’s position in this matter?

I have Player who is team leader in hierarchy (Vice Cap), with great personality(Model Professionals) and he’s quite old (36).

but he’s a goalkeeper is it possible to just let him mentor defenders/midfielder/strikers to pass personality?

Or the player in the group MUST be in same position?

Thanks!

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13 minutes ago, reozeno said:

Hi, great guide. I have a question. How important is  player’s position in this matter?

I have Player who is team leader in hierarchy (Vice Cap), with great personality(Model Professionals) and he’s quite old (36).

but he’s a goalkeeper is it possible to just let him mentor defenders/midfielder/strikers to pass personality?

Or the player in the group MUST be in same position?

Thanks!

Positions matter more for passing traits on. But just for personality changes, then the impact on the mentoring unit the player has is far more important than positions played. 

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This is really good thanks!

 

One more question, what about those 15 / 16 years old with high potential but 4 or 5 Determination? Is it worth to promote them and get them in a Mentoring unit to increase that Determination? Or the Character of the whole Senior / U21 / U19 squads will increase that Determination too while they are down playing / training with the kids of their age?

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6 hours ago, Sharkn20 said:

This is really good thanks!

 

One more question, what about those 15 / 16 years old with high potential but 4 or 5 Determination? Is it worth to promote them and get them in a Mentoring unit to increase that Determination? Or the Character of the whole Senior / U21 / U19 squads will increase that Determination too while they are down playing / training with the kids of their age?

I spoke about this in the article and in the replies a couple above this one. There is a downside to promoting players who you aren't going to use in the relevant squads.

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On 27/04/2019 at 20:00, Sharkn20 said:

This is really good thanks!

 

One more question, what about those 15 / 16 years old with high potential but 4 or 5 Determination? Is it worth to promote them and get them in a Mentoring unit to increase that Determination? Or the Character of the whole Senior / U21 / U19 squads will increase that Determination too while they are down playing / training with the kids of their age?

It's all on you, I think. For me, I usually promote some guys with low determination and let him play his games in the reserves/U19. As @Cleon says, there is a downside to doing that but it'll be up to you if you think the positives outweigh the negatives...

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On 30/04/2019 at 03:27, Jean0987654321 said:

It's all on you, I think. For me, I usually promote some guys with low determination and let him play his games in the reserves/U19. As @Cleon says, there is a downside to doing that but it'll be up to you if you think the positives outweigh the negatives...

I know its each to their own but in this case, the benefit doesn't outweigh the negatives. You are losing a lot of training in the critical training range of 15-17 year old for the sake of a few determination points, which you can do later on no issues at all. All you're doing by promoting straight away is taking a big gamble and sacrificing training/development. You have to remember that players in the youth teams have higher workloads so do more training naturally with the schedules they have. As they are designed to be more intense due to playing fewer games. You are missing out on all of this and getting no benefit in return for skipping it.

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On 01/05/2019 at 07:54, Cleon said:

I know its each to their own but in this case, the benefit doesn't outweigh the negatives. You are losing a lot of training in the critical training range of 15-17 year old for the sake of a few determination points, which you can do later on no issues at all. All you're doing by promoting straight away is taking a big gamble and sacrificing training/development. You have to remember that players in the youth teams have higher workloads so do more training naturally with the schedules they have. As they are designed to be more intense due to playing fewer games. You are missing out on all of this and getting no benefit in return for skipping it.

I have always brought up players to the first team that I feel are stars of the future. With the inclination they would develop better with higher quality players to train with. Is this actually a negative affect? Everyone under the age of 18 will improve more in the U18s?

Also assuming it is important to get a good coaching base at this level as well as your first team?

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7 hours ago, WillHoward42 said:

I have always brought up players to the first team that I feel are stars of the future. With the inclination they would develop better with higher quality players to train with. Is this actually a negative affect? Everyone under the age of 18 will improve more in the U18s?

Also assuming it is important to get a good coaching base at this level as well as your first team?

If you can't guarantee them much game time before 18 then yes, keeping them in the 1st team will most likely have a detrimental effect. 

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Great guide.

I'm not using any mentoring groups and in every save I have played (always start at LFC) quite a few players rapidly lose determination for no apparent reason.

Does this mean I'm forced to use mentoring groups?  (I've tried experimenting but always the same out come of players losing determination, no matter who is in the group i.e. Salah , Firmino, vvd in different groups)

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On 12/06/2019 at 11:25, dking said:

Great guide.

I'm not using any mentoring groups and in every save I have played (always start at LFC) quite a few players rapidly lose determination for no apparent reason.

Does this mean I'm forced to use mentoring groups?  (I've tried experimenting but always the same out come of players losing determination, no matter who is in the group i.e. Salah , Firmino, vvd in different groups)

I would imagine that some players are being affected by other players personalities in the team?

Yeah menotoring could help with this.

For example, if you have a first team full of positive/determined personalities.... Id think it be quite rare for a player to decline themselves (that's my conclusion)

Also, staff/coaches with poor personalities could become a factor?

I'd need an expert to clear this up... but this the rule I play by.

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I have this young newgen Jack Atkin from my latest Youth Intake, he has decent determination at 14 but an Unambitious personality, should i promote him to the Senior team even tho he isn't going to get game time and mentor him there, or leave him in the under 18's to train and develop as stated in the OP?...all help appreciated!.

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On 10/07/2019 at 05:28, FM_Prospect said:

I have this young newgen Jack Atkin from my latest Youth Intake, he has decent determination at 14 but an Unambitious personality, should i promote him to the Senior team even tho he isn't going to get game time and mentor him there, or leave him in the under 18's to train and develop as stated in the OP?...all help appreciated!.

What I am doing with similar cases in my U19 squad is leaving them there until a later age (17/18/19) and when they are nearer the first squad ability, I promote them and only then I start the mentoring. Bear in mind the negative characteristics can change in a single season so it's not urgent to mentor them immediately.

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