Kenco Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Oh dear. Clarke knew from his time at Liverpool that if a team comes to Anfield and sits back soaking up the pressure and not having a shot in 80 minutes, then they'll probably win. Maybe we should try that tactic since it works so well for everyone else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We did that in the first half at Old Trafford. Can't remember it going well if I am honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just don't get why Shelvey was played centrally at all and Suarez was stuck out wide. All those games we won pre-Sturridge just before christmas was Suarez through the middle, why the hell would you chuck a central midfielder who can't finish there instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Here's a gem off RAWK. I'm sure this isn't the view here, but I'm also sure some of you do feel this way: I've said for a few seasons now that Man Utd have a average team with like two decent players yet they still go on and dominate the league, Lets look ... De Gea ... Not much differance between him and Reina Evra ... Hardly a awesome left back i'd prefer Enrique Rafael ... He is garbage and Johnson is far better Vidic ... Very solid but can make big mistakes ... But isnt Skrtel? Rio ... Getting on a bit and just stays at the back heading and playing simple balls ... Agger is better IMO Valencia ... Tons of pace and just gets to the line and crosses 90% of the time ... Downing isnt far off if not the same Giggs ... Drifts around the pitch can be a danger but isnt the world beater he was once ... Sterling is raw but will come good Carrick ... Does simple things well thats about it ... Allen? Lucas? Jones ... Also i just dont see this kid being anything special just raw ... Henderson? ... Also Gerrard is far better than him and car sick. Van persie ... Deadly in front of goal one of the best in the world ... Suarez??? ... Not much differance Rooney ... Talented on his day but hardly a dominating player ... Sturridge can also be this. So looking back ... How do they win the league and we struggle??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 That assessment of their team is hilarious. Skrtel better than Vidic? Sturridge can be as good as Rooney?? Evra worse than Enrique??? Haha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Some of our player are either on bad form, getting passed there sell by date or will never play in a top 4 prem team because they are not good enough.. Regaurdless if Rodgers is good enough a manager to take up to top 4 and keep us there surly the Success we have will depend on the quality of player we bring in over the next 3/4 years? But quality = big transfer fee's and large wages, will we ever compete on that level considering we are going to spend millions on the ground? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Well its clear next season is going to be a big season bedding in a new defence essentially its clear what we have is not going to be good enough in this area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 like I have said before, the squad is just simply not better then what the results show, and as such there is very little chance to improve notably on last years results this season I have seen Liverpool a fair few times this season and frankly their squad is very average. The 'on paper' team seems to come from a few years ago and the likes of Agger, Gerrard (still playing well mind but declining from where he was), Skrtel, Reina etc. are not the players they were. Suarez is the only thing really keeping you top half IMO. If he goes, which is looking likely with no champions league this year you have Gerrard. Squad overhaul is needed, I think many of your players think they are better than they are playing and the fact you have yet to beat a top half team shows they aren't. Even Saints got that monkey off our back against Man City and we are in a relegation dog fight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Was it Agger or Skrtel we turned down 22 million from man city? I think we need to sell all our central defence in summer, bring in new players and coach. Theyve underperformed for years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 so Agger has a bit of a shoddy season while having ever changing players around him and we need to sell him? What we need is a decent Defence Coach, a new CB partner for him and stability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 New CB partner for Agger has to be the priority in the summer surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We've not exactly been playing with the same back 4 all season, and that really does make a huge difference especially with a new manager and new way of playing. That along with Reina blunders and Lucas being injured. Agger is fine and really don't want him to go, Skrtel hasn't been. Coates hasn't really stepped up, Wilson doesn't look like he's progressing and Carra is retiring. So a new GK and new CB in the summer, along with a replacement for Downing and a backup for Lucas, and then just some more time to adjust and tweak tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Work rate wasnt the problem yesterday, We played very well in the regard and pressed West Brom all over the park, resulting in them conceding possession regularly. We didn't get 68% possesion from sitting back and being lazy. The main problem I saw was despite all the possession we gave it away far too easily, especially the full-backs and Shelvey. Also the the lack of players getting into the box was an issue at times, especially on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Aggers been just as bad as Skrtel and been dominated just as much this season. We just badly overrate our defenders. And I love Pepe as a person, but I hope he's moved on as well. Let's rebuild properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 New CB partner for Agger has to be the priority in the summer surely. I am sure there is a new priority after every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Do Europa League winners get an automatic spot for the next season? This would probably be our best bet to qualify for Europe next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Never mind guess we can thrash Swansea at the week end and put smiles back on the bipolar faces .. Swansea are in the top 10 so we will get a draw at best Huge overreaction in here. Was just one of those games. On another day we'd have won by four. Foster was amazing. Would be fair analysis if 'one of those games' hadn't already happened a dozen times this season. It's something more. Passing teams to death is fine if all the players in and around the team are good enough to do so. We clearly are not. We aren't as bad as some are making out nor are we as good as some people think we are. Players who don't fit into Rodgers way of playing will be shipped out, that there is no doubt. He can't do it in 2 transfer windows though. Our position in the league is no better than last season but our wage bill is vastly reduced so its progress, just more obvious off the pitch than on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Do Europa League winners get an automatic spot for the next season? This would probably be our best bet to qualify for Europe next season. Yeah they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Zenit on Thursday! Any idea why we are playing Monday night and then playing away in Russia 3 days later ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromitthesuperdog Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Zenit on Thursday!Any idea why we are playing Monday night and then playing away in Russia 3 days later ? Because the FA hates you. Is Zenit the club where the fans don't want any black or gay players?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Because the FA hates you.Is Zenit the club where the fans don't want any black or gay players?? Yes. http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/ian-ayre-on-zenit-concerns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I know it would be difficult to go through racism during a football match, but I would love for them to just ignore it, score a goal and then tell the fans where to stick it. I think I'd mark out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Our position in the league is no better than last season but our wage bill is vastly reduced so its progress, just more obvious off the pitch than on it. Yeah cos thats what every fan wants, good business figures... i'm gonna go support ici or shell starting from next season!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 RESULTS COMPARISON CHART 2012/13 Reading = Bolton Southampton = Blackburn West Ham = Wolves Last season This season Pts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18/08/2012 West Brom v Liverpool W 0-2 L 3-0 -3 26/08/2012 Liverpool v Man City D 1-1 D 2-2 -3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/09/2012 Liverpool v Arsenal L 1-2 L 0-2 -3 15/09/2012 Sunderland v Liverpool L 1-0 D 1-1 -2 23/09/2012 Liverpool v Man Utd D 1-1 L 1-2 -3 29/09/2012 Norwich v Liverpool W 0-3 W 2-5 -3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06/10/2012 Liverpool v Stoke D 0-0 D 0-0 -3 20/10/2012 Liverpool v Reading W 3-1 W 1-0 -3 27/10/2012 Everton v Liverpool W 0-2 D 2-2 -5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04/11/2012 Liverpool v Newcastle W 3-1 D 1-1 -7 11/11/2012 Chelsea v Liverpool W 1-2 D 1-1 -9 17/11/2012 Liverpool v Wigan L 1-2 W 3-0 -6 24/11/2012 Swansea v Liverpool L 0-1 D 0-0 -5 28/11/2012 Tottenham v Liverpool L 4-0 L 2-1 -5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01/12/2012 Liverpool v Southampton D 1-1 W 1-0 -3 08/12/2012 West Ham v Liverpool W 0-3 W 2-3 -3 15/12/2012 Liverpool v Aston Villa D 1-1 L 1-3 -4 22/12/2012 Liverpool v Fulham L 0-1 W 4-0 -1 26/12/2012 Stoke v Liverpool L 1-0 L 3-1 -1 29/12/2012 QPR v Liverpool L 3-2 W 0-3 +2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01/01/2013 Liverpool v Sunderland D 1-1 W 3-0 +4 12/01/2013 Man Utd v Liverpool L 2-1 L 2-1 +4 19/01/2013 Liverpool v Norwich D 1-1 W 5-0 +6 30/01/2013 Arsenal v Liverpool W 0-2 D 2-2 +4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/02/2013 Man City v Liverpool L 3-0 D 2-2 +5 09/02/2013 Liverpool v West Brom L 0-1 L 0-2 +5 23/02/2013 Liverpool v Swansea D 0-0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/03/2013 Wigan v Liverpool D 0-0 09/03/2013 Liverpool v Tottenham D 0-0 16/03/2013 Southampton v Liverpool W 2-3 30/03/2013 Aston Villa v Liverpool W 0-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06/04/2013 Liverpool v West Ham W 2-1 13/04/2013 Reading v Liverpool L 3-1 20/04/2013 Liverpool v Chelsea W 4-1 27/04/2013 Newcastle v Liverpool L 1-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04/05/2013 Liverpool v Everton W 3-0 12/05/2013 Fulham v Liverpool L 1-0 19/05/2013 Liverpool v QPR W 1-0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yeah cos thats what every fan wants, good business figures...i'm gonna go support ici or shell starting from next season!!! To rebuild from where we were, needed use to put the club on a sound financial footing. Especially after the splurge under Dalglish era. We have chopped about £25m from the wage bill. That's a significant amount of money, and will help us rebuild going forward. We have a good core of young talent now, and hopefully can add some really quality in the summer annf freshen up those who are going stale. Turning round a club like ours which was bloated on wages and punching below its weight in terms of money spent on that and transfers, is not an overnight project and a blood-letting was needed. It was similar for the Souness era, the difference being this time is I think we have done a much more sensible job of things this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 To rebuild from where we were, needed use to put the club on a sound financial footing. Especially after the splurge under Dalglish era. We have chopped about £25m from the wage bill. That's a significant amount of money, and will help us rebuild going forward. We have a good core of young talent now, and hopefully can add some really quality in the summer annf freshen up those who are going stale.Turning round a club like ours which was bloated on wages and punching below its weight in terms of money spent on that and transfers, is not an overnight project and a blood-letting was needed. It was similar for the Souness era, the difference being this time is I think we have done a much more sensible job of things this time. Thats all well and good but the reality is the manager isn't good enough and experienced enough to cope with the clubs expectations and that is ultimately what is costing us. No matter how you dress it up, with the players we have and the money he has had to spend we should have many more points in the league and should not be losing in the cups at home to Swansea and away to Oldham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Like Dalglish last year, a championship winner, who spent more money and had a bigger experienced squad; but had done worse than Rodgers domestically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Like Dalglish last year, a championship winner, who spent more money and had a bigger experienced squad; but had done worse than Rodgers domestically. that is debatable since you will probably finish around the same place and got dumped out of the cups very early, chances are you will not be in any european competition next year due to the form being displayed in domestic competitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Haven't been on much as I'm out of the country so not just coming in to moan about the west brom game. Very disappointing that we didn't build on two good away draws. Becoming very frustrating to watch now, with Sturridge being cup tied we will probably go out of the Europa v Zenit if not probably the next round. Difficult to see what Borini does, I thought he was a striker? 9th in the league is where we deserve to be at the minute, on the one hand Rodgers deserves some praise, our form against sides in the bottom ten has been really good this season, a big improvement and an area that we needed to address from as far back as Rafa's reign. The question is how long can he fail against the top sides? Id give him one more year to prove it but he needs to improve big time against them. Otherwise we won't climb the table the way we all wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 tbf we did pretty well against Arsenal and City. Do wonder where we would be if Clarke was still at the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 the way i see it, the players on the pitch should have been capable of coming out of that at worst 0-0. stupid individual mistakes and soft goals have bee our undoing for too long now and while i do believe rodgers is to blame for some results this season i cant blame him for monday. one week its agger costing us points, then the next skrtel, after that enrique will **** it up somehow followed by reina.... just get rid of them all. cant be done in one window but i'd like to think rodgers would identify our weakest links as cb and lb for this next window and do something about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nad Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If one player (say Reina) is making a lot of mistakes, blame the player. If a whole bunch of players are making regular mistakes (Reina, Agger, Enrique, Skrtel, Allen etc), then you have to look at the coaching or man management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Thats all well and good but the reality is the manager isn't good enough and experienced enough to cope with the clubs expectations and that is ultimately what is costing us. No matter how you dress it up, with the players we have and the money he has had to spend we should have many more points in the league and should not be losing in the cups at home to Swansea and away to Oldham. That's ridiculous and you know it. Seriously, that reads like the sort of stupid soundbite I'd expect to read on RAWK. Dalglish managed worse in the league and spent far more. Have some patience instead of expecting stupid things just 8 months into a manager's employment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If one player (say Reina) is making a lot of mistakes, blame the player.If a whole bunch of players are making regular mistakes (Reina, Agger, Enrique, Skrtel, Allen etc), then you have to look at the coaching or man management. Or alternatively you're looking at a group of players who are unable to evolve to the tactics and as a result need to look elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Or you could be looking at a group of guys low on confidence. Rena has had a shocking time of it lately, but i dont think you can pin that on Rogers. A manager is not responisble for a keeper making daft decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I do love how jep has hidden away in the background whilst we've been on a good run of form, now after one defeat he's back with his Rodgers is **** crusade. He's basically been this threads BG since Rafa left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 btw, something that got lost in the shitstorm after the defeat in the last game was just how brilliant Lucas was. Whilst the defence all played pretty poorly, Lucas was covering everywhere and destroying everything. Just like old times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Lucas was the best player for us without a doubt. And had Stevie buried the pen we would've won the game, I think people claiming that it's the players alone costing us points are naive. As has been said when it's a mixture you have to look at the management. Agger looked top class at the euros and at his best is a brilliant centre half, him losing his man isn't usual. I always think back to some of his performances under Rafa in the champions league, top players don't lose their ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Uh, sometimes they certainly do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He said on twitter he was **** in the game against West Brom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 i think we need to go back to zonal defending for set pieces. we are extraordinarily average at defending them and ive been getting anxious about them for getting on years now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think we need to kneejerk some more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Comparing Dalglish's reign to now is just plain idiotic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can we at least wait till Swansea beat us for the complete spaz out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think we need to kneejerk some more. maybe kneejerk about rodgers but its hardly kneejerk to talk about something that you can draw comparison on, back to last season or even the season before! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 So at the end of the season, in pure FM style who do you think/want to see leaving us, and which positions would you like to see addressed? Obviously Carragher is already in the outs column, but as well as him I'd like to see: OUTS Keepers: Jones to be let go. Out of his depth here, move him on to a champ club. Quite sad to say, but I'm completely not arsed whether Reina stays or goes. The best reason to put forward for keeping him is so that we don't have to shell out on 2 keepers in the summer. Defence: Flanagan sold. Would rather keep Agger and Skrtel around. Coates too, though he desperately needs games somehow. A year out on loan would do him wonders. A loan for Robinson would be good too. Midfield: Downing to be sold. He might have improved lately but he's still only an incredibly average winger. Perhaps a loan for Suso as I can't see him getting too many games atm. I don't want to see him leave, but Assaidi has had virtually no game time and doesn't look like getting much in the future, so I guess he'll be off. Strikers: Borini has been a failure. Ship him off. He's not cut out for this level. Pray to god that West Ham really do have to follow through with their Carroll bid. INS A new keeper (Begovic? Vorm? Muslera?), centre back, winger (again) are musts. We'd still need more striker depth and a top class left back would be lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can't see us making wholesale changes at all. GK and a Downing replacement I think are the only first team changes, and Downing replacement might well just be Sterling anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I wouldn't say I've advocated wholesale changes really. Only 2 first teamers and the rest are all fringe players. Whats certain is we need players in the 5 positions I've stated for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Sorry, was agreeing with you rather than not. Reina, Jones, Coates, Carragher, Kelly, Spearing, Assaidi, Downing, Carroll out Flanagan, Robinson, Coady, Shelvey, Suso out on loan Ince plus replacements in Rodgers won't give up on Borini so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Keep Jones for back up and Kelly (obviously) and add Skrtel to Captain planets list, and that's what I would be looking to ship out. Some because they're not good enough ad some because they wont get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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