[FM12.2.2] • • • MiNiMaL_FuSS - FuSStidious V3 FINAL || FLAT 4-4-2 • • •

[nike10air]

this tactics have been doing wonders for me..

5th season with spurs, won the last 4 league titles and lots of domestic cup, won europa league in season one but lost last 2 champions league final..

I want to win the champions league badly!!

[Spector]

nike10air, what tactic?

[Albanian_Kid]

seems ppl have had some good level of success using this tactic for FM 13......might go back to this on my hamburg save after being exposed in my second season using MR Houghs

[arp]

Which tactic are you using ??

this tactics have been doing wonders for me..

5th season with spurs, won the last 4 league titles and lots of domestic cup, won europa league in season one but lost last 2 champions league final..

I want to win the champions league badly!!

[nike10air]

Which tactic are you using ??

FuSStidious V3 FINAL

[nike10air]

nike10air, what tactic?

FuSStidious V3 FINAL

[bill_barlow]

has anyone been able to convert this so its playable on classic?

[Augustin1979]

Hello Fuss. How's your new tactic coming along? Was wondering if you'll release it before the weekend? Really interested to see an actually release this time around...

[Jorgen]

Greetings all.

You may have noticed a took a bit of time out from gaming and online world, been a pretty tough few months, but life is back on track. I'd also like to take the chance to apologies to those of you that waited for 'FuSStastic V1' to be released, personal problems got rather on top of me.

Anyway a couple of days before the full release of FM-2013 seemed like the perfect time to stick my head above the parapet and declare that I will of course be creating something new for the next game!

Good to see you back FuSS! Hope life wasn't too rough for you.

Will there still be an update for the flat 4-4-2 V3, or for the 4-1-2-3 V1 (both from FM12)?

I probably won't buy FM13 untill all patches are there and so I am hoping for another good FM12 game with one of your tactics.

[Jimmyrh94]

Any idea of when the tactic will be out fuss? No rush really, just wondering if its worth me waiting or cracking on myself for the meantime.

[DPalmer5059]

Gonna give this a try with Spurs while waiting for a solid 442 or 4411 to appear. Should I just go with thr regular first 11 for Spurs? Who would you start in midfield and who do you prefer on the left or right for the striker slots? I was gonna go with Defor on left and Ade on right. Thanks.

[FuSS]

I'm not liking FM13 much so far. Finding it very hard to get a consistent tactic up and running.

I can thump three teams in a row by 4 or 5 - 0 and then be played off the pitch by somebody like Stoke.

Grumble over, I might try something completely new.

[McAvennie]

I'm not liking FM13 much so far. Finding it very hard to get a consistent tactic up and running.

I can thump three teams in a row by 4 or 5 - 0 and then be played off the pitch by somebody like Stoke.

Grumble over, I might try something completely new.

I wonder if this is a deliberate part of this years design - one universal tactic just doesnt seem to perform consistently, SI seem to want us to chop and change tactics to particular opponents. Or maybe its just a very wobbly ME.

I wonder if the upcoming patch will bring some stability. Until then I am swapping between a narrow and wide 4-1-2-2-1 and hardly daring to watch away games

[smallclone]

I wonder if this is a deliberate part of this years design - one universal tactic just doesnt seem to perform consistently, SI seem to want us to chop and change tactics to particular opponents. Or maybe its just a very wobbly ME.

I wonder if the upcoming patch will bring some stability. Until then I am swapping between a narrow and wide 4-1-2-2-1 and hardly daring to watch away games

I think SI have to do something. It is extremely difficult to get any sort of run going unless you spend hours analysing the opposition. Which I don't - as I play FMC.

[FuSS]

Well well, early days, but I may have hit upon where I've been going wrong.

For the last few years tight marking and highish closing-down have been a given, a default we've all become overly reliant on being correct. Seems therein lies the problem.

I've been on-top and even dominating games...but not creating enough CCC's...keeping a lot of clean sheets but usually only actually winning 1-0. Turn off tight marking and lower closing down and I'm leaking a few more goals...but I'm getting 8-10CCCs a game with the same tactics.

[Drads]

Hi Fuss

Out of interest what formation is the tactic you're working on?

Cheers

[dking]

Double post

[dking]

Well well, early days, but I may have hit upon where I've been going wrong.

For the last few years tight marking and highish closing-down have been a given, a default we've all become overly reliant on being correct. Seems therein lies the problem.

I've been on-top and even dominating games...but not creating enough CCC's...keeping a lot of clean sheets but usually only actually winning 1-0. Turn off tight marking and lower closing down and I'm leaking a few more goals...but I'm getting 8-10CCCs a game with the same tactics.

This sounds like exactly what I'm going through. Don't get me wrong, I'm winning trophies but I'm just not happy with the football being played, so I tweak it, smash a few teams, then struggle again so end up reverting back to the original tactic and starting over. That's basically the pattern for me right now.

Any idea as to why that's helping you create more CCC's?

[tlm_77]

I'm having a nightmare with my Crewe team at the minute.

My 442 which got me promoted last season (12/13) with Crewe has been leaking 2-3 goals a game in the Championship...

I know it's an all new league etc but still....

Back to the drawing board for me again.

[McAvennie]

Well well, early days, but I may have hit upon where I've been going wrong.

For the last few years tight marking and highish closing-down have been a given, a default we've all become overly reliant on being correct. Seems therein lies the problem.

I've been on-top and even dominating games...but not creating enough CCC's...keeping a lot of clean sheets but usually only actually winning 1-0. Turn off tight marking and lower closing down and I'm leaking a few more goals...but I'm getting 8-10CCCs a game with the same tactics.

Agreed, I've lowered my defensive line and am closing down less and have found I'm defending better - certainly getting fewer instances of central defenders just standing about as a forward nips past them and runs onto a throughball to score. I havent seen it resulting in more CCCs for me though - have you tweaked anything else in an attacking sense?

[makman]

hi i have two questions does the tactic works with fm13? If it's still working if we put the wide men at wingers post it will be the same result offensivly and deffensivly?

[FuSS]

Agreed, I've lowered my defensive line and am closing down less and have found I'm defending better - certainly getting fewer instances of central defenders just standing about as a forward nips past them and runs onto a throughball to score. I havent seen it resulting in more CCCs for me though - have you tweaked anything else in an attacking sense?

I've taken all everyone who isn't a DMC or a defender off of tight marking...so anyone that's essentially and attacking player is zonal and loose. Seems to have helped a lot. Plus as already mentioned less closing down for everybody.

[Spikester]

Can we get some screenshots of your results Fuss?

[Flohrinho]

I'm not liking FM13 much so far. Finding it very hard to get a consistent tactic up and running.

I can thump three teams in a row by 4 or 5 - 0 and then be played off the pitch by somebody like Stoke.

Grumble over, I might try something completely new.

I wouldn't bother before the next ME patch tbh.

A lot of things will change.

[FuSS]

I wouldn't bother before the next ME patch tbh.

A lot of things will change.

Hey Floh, long time no see, hows tricks?

Whens the next patch due??

[robstar69]

it should be out this week!

[dking]

it should be out this week!

Whats your source?

[ThomasCro]

It's out now, isn't it?

[Drads]

patch is out!

[FuSS]

and so we start again!

That said every tweak looks positive, it all looks like improving the defence, the d-line and improving wingers tracking back (something I've found a massive pain in the arse personally)...so im really looking forward to it!

[robstar69]

Whats your source?

said it would be out this week didn't I!!! ;-)

[cragswfc]

MATCH ENGINE

v1313

· Refined position of d-line and also the lines in front of it when defending

· Brought wingers a bit deeper when defending

· Weaker players more likely to favour direct passes quicker

· Improved short pass accuracy slightly

· Tried to increase number of crosses slightly

· Fine-tuned shot accuracy

· Fixed some minor player on ball decision bugs

· Improved trajectory of medium length kicks like free kick shots and corners

· Made players better at offering out ball to team mate

· Tried to improve player reactions to deflected balls or tackles

· Made players more willing to slide tackle when opportunity and need arises

· Fixed some unnatural save directions from keepers

· Fixed keepers trying to save ball at wrong point when its heading for post or bar

· Made players slightly better at turning body while on the run

· Made strongest player stand ground when 2 players collide while going for a header

· Made goal celebration paths a little bit more varied

· Fixed commentary saying ball well wide when not really that far wide

· Some ball physics collision tweaks

· Some team talk fixes

v1314

· Further tuned team shape and d-line position when defending

· AM strata now comes back to defend unless set to "all-out attack"

· Made d-line shift up when opposing player with ball is successfully pressed

· Made d-line shift back quicker when attacking player is running with pace at them with the ball

· Some tweaks to marking of opponents in own area

· Fixed defenders shifting across as full back engages winger in last third causing bad shape

· Tried to reduce instances of players heading ball they could control a split second later

· Some minor fixes relating to player interception of ball

· Some refinements to off ball movement around ball player

· Some general tweaks to pass choice and on ball decision making

· Some more minor keeper save fixes

· Fixed some instances of woodwork hit not being registered

· Fixed player not waiting to get up before running off to celebrate after scoring a diving header

v1315

· Fixed ultra-rare crash when player shoots from close range

· Further small refinements to on ball decisions and pass choice

· Improved direct free kick trajectory slightly

· Improved crossing aim AI

· Fine-tuned pass and shot accuracy slightly

· Improved player reaction and awareness of ball generally

· Improved defensive tracking of player running with ball

· Slight reduction of player reaction time to fast curling balls

· Slight reduction of player reaction time when ball a long way away from them especially if not facing it

· Improved defender lateral positioning when defending wide ball

· Fixed winger not staying wide when asked to hug touchline and ball on his side in advanced position

· Goalkeeper should narrow the angle better when a play is running at him at speed

· Goalkeepers should try to move under the ball path even if they think they can't reach it.

· Fixed a bug where the keeper fails to catch a ball if it has just hit the crossbar/post

· Fixed keeper turning ball over bar described as turning it round post

· Fixed some player collision avoidance issues

· Fixed a bug where an offside is given instead of a free kick for a foul

· Stop a rare teleport bug with goal celebrations

· Fixed animation issues whilst player argues with ref

· Fixed small anomaly in team selection AI

v1316

· Fixed bug causing players to occasionally react too late to pass

· Improved pressing of opponents slightly

· Made players more willing to go for a riskier interception if ball receiver is in a goal scoring position

· Tweaked keeper positioning when facing down attacker

· Reduced pointless passing slightly

· Fine-tuned chance of speculative passes slightly

· Refine kick inaccuracy algorithm slightly

v1317

· Fixed defenders not turning quick enough when tracking player running onto through ball

· Reduced likelihood of players making pass when in clear cut shooting position

V1318

· Fixed keepers not reacting to powerful close range shots

[Flohrinho]

Hey Floh, long time no see, hows tricks?

Whens the next patch due??

Lurking around the forums, complaining about the ME.

Nah just haven't been to active in the tactics sharing forum since I mainly started using TC tactics and shouts.

[Aleynasdad]

Ive been using Fusstidious for most formations but switching to Vodu when theres a five man midfield up against me. I also use variations of vodu when defending a lead and chasing the game. Results have been BSQ and premier titles and two FA trophies with Whitehawk (swapped them for the cash-strapped Truro).

[FuSS]

First impressions of the new patch. Lots more possession, much more control, much crisper passing, better marking...it's like they've hit the easy button! I imagine they'll be a flood of new tactics now.

Lurking around the forums, complaining about the ME.

Nah just haven't been to active in the tactics sharing forum since I mainly started using TC tactics and shouts.

Gd to have u back!

[JoOSTAR]

First impressions of the new patch. Lots more possession, much more control, much crisper passing, better marking...it's like they've hit the easy button! I imagine they'll be a flood of new tactics now.

Gd to have u back!

So you think it's easier now to form a good solid tactic? Sounds like you are close to achieving that? In that case, I'm looking forward to that!

[BobMUFC08]

The standard V3 without any tweaks from fm12 seems to be working just as good for me as it did in fm12 since the patch this week

[AndyPass]

Me too. I was playing 4-1-3-2 with Forest, and thought I'd give this a try. My results are:

Forest 5 Hull City 2

Ipswich 1 Forest 2

Forest 3 Barnsley 1

Billy Sharp has banged in 8 goals in 3 games!!!

[Jorgen]

Good to see you back FuSS! Hope life wasn't too rough for you.

Will there still be an update for the flat 4-4-2 V3, or for the 4-1-2-3 V1 (both from FM12)?

I probably won't buy FM13 untill all patches are there and so I am hoping for another good FM12 game with one of your tactics.

If yes, when do you think it will be ready?

If no, which tactic do you suggest I use instead?

[Hingis]

This tactic doesn't work with the new patch

[FuSS]

Sorry guys this has been taking a while, really don't have much gaming time on my hands these days.

Anyway, I'm actually very happy with my current creation, just wanna get the pass-completion rate up about another 10% and I think it'll be awesome. Some screens on the way.

Oh its a 4-2-3-1 (with wingers)

[FuSS]

This is with a depleted Spurs team missing several key players. This is my test match of choice, ie I intend to play it several times as I find Man City away to be one of the consistently hardest matches I've played with a variety of teams.

The key here is the CCCs, the possession I can build on easily enough.

[christrott79]

Sorry guys this has been taking a while, really don't have much gaming time on my hands these days.

Anyway, I'm actually very happy with my current creation, just wanna get the pass-completion rate up about another 10% and I think it'll be awesome. Some screens on the way.

Oh its a 4-2-3-1 (with wingers)

Sweet, just the formation I wanna play!

Are the centre mids CM or DM?

[Jimmyrh94]

This looks awesome.

Is it soon for you to estimate its release?

[FuSS]

Sweet, just the formation I wanna play!

Are the centre mids CM or DM?

One of each at the moment, looks a little lop sided, but gives me a lovely range of player positions.

This looks awesome.

Is it soon for you to estimate its release?

Well I'm happy that the base is good. Which means I can now play with individual things (like passing) and check against the base. So I would say the hard bit is done, it's now just about tweaking and trying to see what little difference really open up this match engine.

[FuSS]

although if anyone has some nice set-piece routines worked out I'm all ears...

[markox]

Hi Fuss have a good corner setup will post for you in the morning.

[kfnielsen]

best tac ever Fuss

the only one I ever used for fm12

cheers

[8SZAD]

Same here....my favourite tactic

[smogfart]

Delighted to hear you've used a 4-2-3-1 fuss, my favourite formation! I feel you can utilise all the best players positions in this formation. Looking forward to the release as i loved your previous 4-2-3-1 on last years edition.