allygold Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 How is your first season table shaping up? The Premier League has been weird for me. I've just played my Christmas matches, so around halfway in, and Stoke are second in the table, with QPR and Aston Villa in the top five. Man Utd are fourth and are the only recent top four side up there apart from me as Spurs in top spot. Chelsea are eighth and Man City and Arsenal are both hovering above the relegation zone in 15/16th. Is this a bug or just a crazy first half to the season? How's your league look so far in terms of reflecting reality (or seasons if you've been playing 24/7!)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.joel Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's a crazy season. Stoke have performed well on my save as well. Their crossing game seems to work well with the ME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingWalrus Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Stoke are doing very well on mine too with man city 15th after 18 games, not that i am complaining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worrall23 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 My current top 4 is: 1st Man City 2nd Everton 3rd West Brom 4th Arsenal I'm Man Utd and having a nightmare in 10th after 13 games! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allygold Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 You're not alone. In mine Sir Alex is on the verge of being sacked, despite being fourth. A little harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawlore Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Although I haven't experienced it myself, I am hearing a fair bit of anecdotal evidence from friends (seemingly backed up here) that Stoke and especially QPR seem to do a lot better than you'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 In my first season Atalanta (starting with -2 points) won serie A in front of me (Juventus) with a 4 point margin. Not Proud... Ten games into the 2nd season Cesena, Pescara, Atalanta and Torino are sitting on the top 4 spots... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsouthy Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Thinking about this - it's happened in every version i have played....it's not a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwextreme Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Started with the Beta so don't know wheher that influenced anything but mine was a little odd mainly in that Fulham finished 4th. QPR were also top 4 most of the season but slipped to 7th at the end. 1. Man C 2. Man U 3. Newcastle 4. Fulham The second season was ... 1. Chelsea 2. Arsenal 3. Man U 4. Man C Fulham went back to their normal ways finishing 9th. One other interesting note was that Galatasaray won the CL in the first year knocking out Arsenal, Juve, Man U and PSG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Newcastle 2nd Aston Villa 3rd Man Utd 5th Arsenal 6th Chelsea 12th 1st season, nearly end of November 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haunted1234 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 stoke won the league in my save first season almost unbeaten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 All the top teams except City and myself as Arsenal struggled, but at the end of the season it was still the same top 4. West Brom finishing 5th 1 point behind United in 4th was entertaining throughout the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Doesn't seem realistic to me at all. Surely a bug of some sort? Wigan are 3rd on my save with 25 matches player. Liverpool are 1st with QPR 2nd. The strangest is Tottenham at 18th. Big teams getting owned by smaller teams much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsouthy Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I like the way that people conplain about this yet they will be happy to manage York and get them to the PL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
easternhawk2 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 In my game Liverpool finished the season 17th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawlore Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I like the way that people conplain about this yet they will be happy to manage York and get them to the PL! Don't be silly, nobody would be happy to manage York Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred1 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 This is how the PL ended up in my first season. Stoke did start pretty well, where 2nd after 15 games then went downhill fast. Man Utd Man City Liverpool (myself) Spurs Chelsea Arsenal Villa Newcastle Everton West Brom Southampton Reading Stoke QRR Swansea Wigan Sunderland Norwich West Ham Fulham Real Madrid won La Liga Barca 2nd Juve won Serie A Napoli 2nd Schalke won German league Bayern 2nd Lyon won French PSG 3rd. Real won CL Liverpool EL Pretty realistic league positions in my first season with realistic match results and final GF and GA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kung Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 in my save in serie A roma got releglated lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Could Get Messi Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Stoke came 4th on my save too. It was the only real surprise though and I have seen shocks on older versions of FM as well so I am just classing it as a very good season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordUnitedFC Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 From playing the game so far i wouldn't be surprised by league standings not seeming true to real life. From most of the games i've played all of the opposition teams have played exactly the same type of football (short fast barcelona style passing) and weather i am playing man city/newcastle/qpr there is no major difference in the quality of their play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yip, definite bug or something. In my 1st season which I got up to early December in, Norwich were winning the league. Manu were 8th and Chelsea 11th, with Liverpool 19th. Rodgers, Pardew and Di Matteo had all lost their jobs already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UF91 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 in mine newcastle ,sunderland + wba got relagated in first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 There is either too many randomness/variance in results, or there is an imbalance in styles that allow some teams to play way over their heads. I'm halfway through my first season and Barcelona and PSG both finished in 4th in their CL groups. EPL results don't seem that crazy except that City is nigh-invincible and are already a solid 12 points in front of the rest of the table. To the person who said Galatasaray won the CL in their first season, I also noticed them winning their group, beating Barcelona twice. I wonder if there's something about them that is exploiting the ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer89 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I had Newcastle get relegated on my Wolves save, I could have got Ben Arfa and Cabaye but couldn't afford the wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darockbg Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 in my save in serie A roma got releglated lol ZEMAN ffs! i guess in some saves little teams have success 'coz their weird one-touch-manyshortpass game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 First season and 10 games in. Roma have already sacked their manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardik Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 French L1 first season: I expected more from PSG, OL and OM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Thru 8- Top 4-United, Chlesea, Spurs, Reading Bottom 3- Swansea, Norwich, QPR Notables: Arsenal 5th, City 6th, Liverpool 9th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Manchester teams seem to decleine in my game:- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 it took you three seasons to dominate the Premiership with Southampton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erimus1876 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Just finished my first season and the Premiership seems very predictable so far... I'm managing lower down the leagues though, so there's no human-player influence on EPL results (yet!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicobile Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Are you guys playing all leagues in full detail? if thats the case, its quite wierd. In my beta save, swansea was 3rd up until new years (first season), then game came out and i started a new save. Between beta and Full game, i started 7 saves, a couple on holiday, and what i always see is Chelsea underachieving forever. In 15 seasons, just 3 times ended between the top 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Are you guys playing with full detail as I think that effects the results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 it took you three seasons to dominate the Premiership with Southampton? Lol, that's my second title. Like I said there is something off with the way both Manchester clubs seem to be managed on my game. Man Utd bought Neymar on previous to that season but they were still easy to beat whereas Tottenham, Arsenal and in particular Chelsea (who have Mata, Gotze and Hazard behind Cavani I think) were very tough opponents. All the Man City players seem to want to leave, Aguero is currently transfer listed on my game and so is David Alaba who is pretty much the world's best left back and they only bought him the summer before very odd. Can't see how I have influenced this either, maybe I have taken an easy 6 pts away from them but they lost nearly 20 games between them. Man Utd have a forward line of RVP, Rooney and Neymar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Just finished my first season and the Premiership seems very predictable so far... I'm managing lower down the leagues though, so there's no human-player influence on EPL results (yet!) What is this skin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erimus1876 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Are you guys playing with full detail as I think that effects the results? Full detail is only one part of it. I find loading all players from the country I'm managing in, plus players from the top leagues in Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Holland, and Portugal gives me the most realistic results. I never see anyone but the real life big 6 finish in the top 6, my EPL winners are always one of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, or Man City. And the european cups are always won by big name teams. If people are seeing the likes of Stoke & Sunderland massively over-achieve in their games and see the likes of Celtic reach CL finals, it may be worth loading more top class players from the major euro leagues. The only downside to my current save was seeing Newcastle win the FA Cup. Not very realistic since they've won nothing for 60 odd years in reality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erimus1876 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 What is this skin? Its just the default SI skin with an all caps font I found on google. The full team names will only appear if you use the full names database, here: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/324744-FM13-Full-Club-Names-database Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red till i'm dead Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 In my game Stoke are in a clear 3rd place exactly halfway through the 1st season, think this definitely shows either the tactics the game's AI uses are unbalanced or the Stoke players are rated way too high. Btw. The only signing they have made has only played 1 game, so it's nothing to do with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Lol, that's my second title. Like I said there is something off with the way both Manchester clubs seem to be managed on my game. Man Utd bought Neymar on previous to that season but they were still easy to beat whereas Tottenham, Arsenal and in particular Chelsea (who have Mata, Gotze and Hazard behind Cavani I think) were very tough opponents. All the Man City players seem to want to leave, Aguero is currently transfer listed on my game and so is David Alaba who is pretty much the world's best left back and they only bought him the summer before very odd. Can't see how I have influenced this either, maybe I have taken an easy 6 pts away from them but they lost nearly 20 games between them. Man Utd have a forward line of RVP, Rooney and Neymar Thats probably the most bizarre thing out of everything. I haven't managed in the Premiership for awhile but is it that easy to build up that dominant of a team so quickly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Totally ****, in fact. Is it? Blast, I better sell my copy and stop playing. Cheers for the advice chum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Full detail is only one part of it. I find loading all players from the country I'm managing in, plus players from the top leagues in Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Holland, and Portugal gives me the most realistic results. I never see anyone but the real life big 6 finish in the top 6, my EPL winners are always one of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, or Man City. And the european cups are always won by big name teams.If people are seeing the likes of Stoke & Sunderland massively over-achieve in their games and see the likes of Celtic reach CL finals, it may be worth loading more top class players from the major euro leagues. The only downside to my current save was seeing Newcastle win the FA Cup. Not very realistic since they've won nothing for 60 odd years in reality I play mine on a large database with 57 leagues in operation but they weren't all running in top detail since changing this I've noticed the results are starting to become more realistic most noticeably in the English Premiership as the others weren't that bad. I've also noticed sackings are lowering which is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Totally ****, in fact. That's constructive feedback thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Thats probably the most bizarre thing out of everything. I haven't managed in the Premiership for awhile but is it that easy to build up that dominant of a team so quickly? Don't know I've only played this one save. I finished 5th the first season, won the league by a few points without really trying the second season and then won it at a canter third season. I haven't made wholesale changes either and I reckon my net spend over the 3 years is about £35 million or so and about £10 million of that was on players who I bought more for tutoring than first team action (some french left back and Jelle Vossen, both had about 12 starts mainly in cups). Played a 4-4-1-1 and my first team that won the league in the second season was:- GK: Boruc DL: Clyne DC: Okore (cost £1.4 million) DC: Kirchhoff (cost £7.5 million) DR: Cork ML: Wellington Nem (cost £3.5 million) MC: Mudingayi (cost £5 million) MC: Schniederlin MR: Lallana AMC: Ramirez SC: Rodriguez. So 7 from that starting 11 start the game with Saints. Third season I bought Oxlaide Chamberlain for £18.5 million and he replaced a Lallana on the right, a first season regen played more games than Mudingayi, Doria played more games at CB than Okore and Shaw played a lot of games at LB. I also had a lot of talented youngsters that could come into the team including James Ward-Prowse, Adryan, Victor Andrade. Southampton have a lot of good young players and lot of the first teamers like Clyne, Rodriguez, Schniederlin, Ramirez have decent potential to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I had Bilbao relegated in FM12, helped myself to thier best players of course my Bury save is the most interesting, Doncaster are conceding like 4 goals a game, in the first 3 games. sat second bottom with -13GD..... oh Wigan getting relegated? that bug happns in FM12... everyone knows wigans lowest finish is 17th it is quite easy to build a strong team with the right tactics, my Bury save Cullen currently scoring for fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allygold Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 In my game Stoke are in a clear 3rd place exactly halfway through the 1st season' date=' think this definitely shows either the tactics the game's AI uses are unbalanced or the Stoke players are rated way too high.Btw. The only signing they have made has only played 1 game, so it's nothing to do with that.[/quote'] There definitely seems to be a Stoke issue, they seem to be cropping up high up in a lot of the replies and they're still second in mine, unless they do end up finishing in the top four this season in real life! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 In my Norwich save (which was begun on the beta) Crouch gold European golden boot first two years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWWROCKS Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Halfway through a season it's always looked dodgy to me but it tends to sort itself out. I think both seasons I played the top 6 involved Chelsea, Man utd, Man City, Me (Liverpool), Spurs and then the other spot was Arsenal one year, Newcastle the next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allygold Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 I guess it's only right to follow up my own thread. The first season did end with Stoke and Villa in the top four, however my second season, which is now in February, has been much more realistic with the usual suspects in the top six and the likes of Stoke and Villa in the bottom half. Still strange to see Stoke in the Champions League though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWWROCKS Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 4th season, I lost out on the title by 2 points to Newcastle. Cardiff finished in 5th, Villa in 4th. So that seems a bit strange but by 4th season enough has happened I can accept it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apchivers Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 On my game, Man City completely walked the Premier League in the first season, finishing 21 points ahead of Chelsea in 2nd. Only 4 points separated Chelsea from Tottenham in 6th. The bizarre standings have to be Stoke in 3rd (Crouch with 19 premiership goals) and Everton getting relegated in 19th. Also, in other European leagues, AC Milan finished 8th in Serie A and Ajax and PSV finished 5th and 6th respectively (over 20 points behind winners AZ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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