pouncer Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 The population argument will always be there, but I'm afraid it's a loose argument at best. As Suge says, Slovenia are an excellent case study, as are Holland with their population of around 16m. Despite this, they are widely regarded as the best team never to have won the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebirds4life Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Thing is, do the Uruguayans play rugby, or any other sport other than Footie??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 They play volleyball and basketball too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 They play volleyball and basketball too. But are most successful at football, correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopra_hill Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Venebles' dream didn't come true, what a shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 But are most successful at football, correct? Yes, by far. The only country in South America (not counting the Guyanas) that is better at other sport than football is Venezuela. Peru though had a lot of success with volleyball in the 1970s/1980s or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Venebles' dream didn't come true, what a shame At least we don't have to watch that bloody advert again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Yes, by far.The only country in South America (not counting the Guyanas) that is better at other sport than football is Venezuela. Peru though had a lot of success with volleyball in the 1970s/1980s or so. Brazil are fb at volleyball, very successful there, is it the 2nd most successful sport in Brazil behind football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackripper Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaa over rated and over paid my pub team couldve done better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Brazil are fb at volleyball, very successful there, is it the 2nd most successful sport in Brazil behind football? No, volleyball is the most successful sport here before football. Before the 1980s though Brazil wasn't that great, then we had the "silver generation" of the 1980s who brought us a silver medal, and we established ourselves as the main power with the Olympic title in 1992 (that was the "golden generation"). Bernardinho is by far our best manager in any sport. This success in volleyball also caused a shift in the population of volleyball and basketball here, as until the 1980s basketball was the second most popular sport, but volleyball surpassed it and is now comfortably the second sport here. I don't know why volleyball is so underrated in some other countries like the UK... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 No, volleyball is the most successful sport here before football. Before the 1980s though Brazil wasn't that great, then we had the "silver generation" of the 1980s who brought us a silver medal, and we established ourselves as the main power with the Olympic title in 1992 (that was the "golden generation"). Bernardinho is by far our best manager in any sport. This success in volleyball also caused a shift in the population of volleyball and basketball here, as until the 1980s basketball was the second most popular sport, but volleyball surpassed it and is now comfortably the second sport here. I don't know why volleyball is so underrated in some other countries like the UK... I know about Brazil winning loads of Olympic medals and winning plenty of World Championships (Beating us on many occasion ) But I thought that due to the popularity of football, maybe the success in volleyball was overlooked somewhat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I know about Brazil winning loads of Olympic medals and winning plenty of World Championships (Beating us on many occasion ) But I thought that due to the popularity of football, maybe the success in volleyball was overlooked somewhat It's not overlooked at all, although it will obviously always have less hype than ordinary football titles. You are Dutch, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 It's not overlooked at all, although it will obviously always have less hype than ordinary football titles.You are Dutch, right? Nope, Serbian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Nope, Serbian. I had the feeling you were Dutch as I had seen you posting in some Dutch related thread. Being Serbian, you must remember well then when Brazil beat Serbia in the World League final last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I had the feeling you were Dutch as I had seen you posting in some Dutch related thread. Being Serbian, you must remember well then when Brazil beat Serbia in the World League final last year. Don't remind me Was an agonizing defeat, but I have gotten used to getting beaten by Brazil in volleyball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 oh no. england are out. what a shame I CAN BUY A NEWSPAPER AGAIN NOW! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Thing is, do the Uruguayans play rugby, or any other sport other than Footie??? Yep - Uruguay qualified for the 1999 and 2003 Rugby World Cups - and are still in contention for qualification for next year's one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Venebles' dream didn't come true, what a shame Yeah, that ad made pretty angry every time it came on. Bloody Sun and their ***** ads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC SCO Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 oh no. england are out.what a shame I CAN BUY A NEWSPAPER AGAIN NOW! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I'd give it a few days first. They'll probs keep harping on about the disallowed goal for about a week and then another week or two about how Capello is an unfit manager. Glad they went out as the media hype and talk of the pundits before WC Games (even games England aren't remotely involved in) was insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I think the point bluebird is trying to make is that due to rugby being hugely popular here, a good sized chunk of our top athletes end up going in to rugby, meaning that we don't get as many coming in to football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigol Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Please dont laugh at England, they have enough with such players and Capello's catennaccio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisQ Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I think that's ********, tbh. The participation levels in rugby and cricket are a fraction of that of football. Very few players with the natural talent to eventually make any difference to the national team would abandon football for other sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 It's not really that funny*, Englands record at International level has always mostly been utterly pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I think that's ********, tbh. The participation levels in rugby and cricket are a fraction of that of football. Very few players with the natural talent to eventually make any difference to the national team would abandon football for other sports. Not in Wales. There's a reason our diddy country has been one of the best in the world for decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattai Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Am very sad. England is still better than Australia at football. At least they scored a goal against the Germans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinLP1987 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Dont hate England in any kind of xenophobic "small country syndrome" sense. Its the media hype I cant stand. All this E.A.S.Y. group bollocks followed by the grim reality. This fake rivalry with Germany for instance. Its as much a rivalry as us Welsh have with England. Germany are far far better but the media set yourselves up for a fall everytime. We will lose to England. Of course we will. There are more people in Birmingham than in Wales but at the same time, we don't make out like it will be any different. I'll be waiting for a while before I read a Sun headline along the lines of "GERMANY WERE BETTER THAN US"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thread title and OP are a bit out of order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thread title and OP are a bit out of order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'm not even sure what thats supposed to mean? I assume its an insult... gonna need that one explaining though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Müller1469564937 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Lmao. Beachballs really do score more goals than Heskey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Wales_Man Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Now we can buy Mars bars again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Was just watching the reaction on BBC News 24, female reporter "man for man we are better than them"now lets see James v Neuer - Neuer wins Johnson v Lahm - Lahm wins Cole v Boateng - Draw/Cole just edges it Terry v Mertesacker - Mertesacker wins Upson v Friedrich - Friedrich wins Barry v Khedira - Khedira wins Lampard v Schweinsteiger - Schweinsteiger wins Gerrard v Ozil - Ozil wins Milner v Poldolski - Poldolski wins Rooney v Klose - Klose wins Defoe v Muller - Muller wins I thought that as well - the pundits were saying that only 1 or 2 of the Germans would get in, and I thought of 5 straight away I'd rather have... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Was just watching the reaction on BBC News 24, female reporter "man for man we are better than them"now lets see James v Neuer - Neuer wins Johnson v Lahm - Lahm wins Cole v Boateng - Draw/Cole just edges it Terry v Mertesacker - Mertesacker wins Upson v Friedrich - Friedrich wins Barry v Khedira - Khedira wins Lampard v Schweinsteiger - Schweinsteiger wins Gerrard v Ozil - Ozil wins Milner v Poldolski - Poldolski wins Rooney v Klose - Klose wins Defoe v Muller - Muller wins You're not far wrong, but Ashley Cole is a lot better than Boateng. Also, you should swap Muller and Podolski for your comparisons. Lampard and Schweinsteiger are about level tbf. Ozil is still young but I'd be more excited watching him play than Gerrard in fairness. Terry and Mertesacker are about level too, there's not a great deal to choose between them. Rooney v Klose: hard to disagree with you there, on international goalscoring records alone. Neuer v James: Neuer has mistakes in him. I don't think he's significantly better than James at all and could prove to be Germany's weak point against Argentina. But yeah, was a horrifically cringeworthy comment from the reporter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 You're not far wrong, but Ashley Cole is a lot better than Boateng. Also, you should swap Muller and Podolski for your comparisons. Lampard and Schweinsteiger are about level tbf. Ozil is still young but I'd be more excited watching him play than Gerrard in fairness.Terry and Mertesacker are about level too, there's not a great deal to choose between them. Rooney v Klose: hard to disagree with you there, on international goalscoring records alone. Neuer v James: Neuer has mistakes in him. I don't think he's significantly better than James at all and could prove to be Germany's weak point against Argentina. Based on yesterday Terry<<<<<<<* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Based on yesterday Terry<<<<<<<* Yeah but I'm basing it on more than just one game. Wales World Cup 'record' copied from WikipediaBrazil 1950 Did not qualify Switzerland 1954 Did not qualify Sweden 1958 Quarter-finals Chile 1962 Did not qualify England 1966 Did not qualify Mexico 1970 Did not qualify West Germany 1974 Did not qualify Argentina 1978 Did not qualify Spain 1982 Did not qualify Mexico 1986 Did not qualify Italy 1990 Did not qualify United States 1994 Did not qualify France 1998 Did not qualify South KoreaJapan 2002 Did not qualify Germany 2006 Did not qualify South Africa 2010 Did not qualify Yeah, England just so laughable England have a significantly larger pool of talent to choose from (allegedly at least). And I wouldn't be so smug given the crop of youngsters they (Wales) have coming through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Except for the fact that England's aim is to win the World Cup whereas Wales would be happy with a good position in the qualifying group, so therefore you cannot compare England with Wales in footballing terms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Wales World Cup 'record' copied from WikipediaBrazil 1950 Did not qualify Switzerland 1954 Did not qualify Sweden 1958 Quarter-finals Chile 1962 Did not qualify England 1966 Did not qualify Mexico 1970 Did not qualify West Germany 1974 Did not qualify Argentina 1978 Did not qualify Spain 1982 Did not qualify Mexico 1986 Did not qualify Italy 1990 Did not qualify United States 1994 Did not qualify France 1998 Did not qualify South KoreaJapan 2002 Did not qualify Germany 2006 Did not qualify South Africa 2010 Did not qualify Yeah, England just so laughable Yes, England are extremely laughable and the Welsh record makes no difference whatever to it. Man up and take your beating and the slagging that goes with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Erm, I'm not the smug one in this thread, that would be the bitter Welsh and Scots. But to bring up the qualification record of a team infinitesimally smaller than England's in terms of the pool of players available to them just serves to make England fans look as arrogant as Wales and Scotland fans believe them to be. I'm starting to believe that smallmind or smallclone or whatever his name is has a point about England and their fans and media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hector Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Wales World Cup 'record' copied from WikipediaBrazil 1950 Did not qualify Switzerland 1954 Did not qualify Sweden 1958 Quarter-finals Chile 1962 Did not qualify England 1966 Did not qualify Mexico 1970 Did not qualify West Germany 1974 Did not qualify Argentina 1978 Did not qualify Spain 1982 Did not qualify Mexico 1986 Did not qualify Italy 1990 Did not qualify United States 1994 Did not qualify France 1998 Did not qualify South KoreaJapan 2002 Did not qualify Germany 2006 Did not qualify South Africa 2010 Did not qualify Yeah, England just so laughable We only let in three goals against the Germans. Over two matches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 We only let in three goals against the Germans. Over two matches Well played Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik86 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I cant really laugh at England as Sweden didnt qualify... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinLP1987 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 John Charles would have given Pele and Brazil a spanking in 58 too. Wales v yesterdays England would be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 John Charles would have given Pele and Brazil a spanking in 58 too. Wales v yesterdays England would be interesting. No contest tbh. Wales 3-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinLP1987 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Really cant wait. Our 4-5-1 will work well against them if Capello doesn't change anything. Bale v Johnson will be close to a sexual assault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 John Charles would have given Pele and Brazil a spanking in 58 too. Wales v yesterdays England would be interesting. Would have been interesting to see us through to the quarters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinLP1987 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Would have been the semis wouldn't it? 3rd place playoff against West Germany! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Would have been the semis wouldn't it?3rd place playoff against West Germany! You presumed I was Welsh. I meant we would be in the quarters if we played you yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinLP1987 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Ah...good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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