tcoleman1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Although you do have some good young players coming through so it might be interesting and if we defend like we did yesterday then you probably would beat us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 We'll win the next one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Was just watching the reaction on BBC News 24, female reporter "man for man we are better than them"now lets see James v Neuer - Neuer wins Johnson v Lahm - Lahm wins Cole v Boateng - Draw/Cole just edges it Terry v Mertesacker - Mertesacker wins Upson v Friedrich - Friedrich wins Barry v Khedira - Khedira wins Lampard v Schweinsteiger - Schweinsteiger wins Gerrard v Ozil - Ozil wins Milner v Poldolski - Poldolski wins Rooney v Klose - Klose wins Defoe v Muller - Muller wins that's one of the most moronic posts I've ever seen. WP I'd maybe take Friedrich, Lahm and Muller. But that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I would also take Ozil and consider Podolski. I think Muller is great but Defoe would have put away both his chances but then again they are played in different positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Nah. James > Neuer Johnson < Lahm Terry > Mertesacker Upson < Friedrich Cole > Boateng Barry = Khedira Lampard < Bastian Milner < Muller Gerrard = Ozil Defoe < Podolski Rooney < Klose (Internationally) So about half and half. edit; Actually it's nothing like that. Anyway, point is Germany are better than us man for man (based on the WC and other assorted international performances. I can't judge the Germans on club form) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Only area where England have an advantage man for man is LB where Cole > Boateng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 If you're going off international form then maybe, but club form I'd take 3 possibly 4 Germans maximum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamenaglar Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 If you're going off international form then maybe, but club form I'd take 3 possibly 4 Germans maximum I don't remember seeing english players in this year's CL final. I do remember there being a german club, with a few german players. How much do you follow bundesliga? Are you sure you are able to asses in what form German players are in their clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I know that Klose only scored 6 goals and that Podolski did even worse than that. So to say Klose > Rooney is really quite unfathomable. Yes, Bayern reached the CL final. That does not make them better than Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and the like though. You cannot argue with the club form of England's players (apart from Gerrard, Johnson and Upson this season) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirZ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 If you're going off international form then maybe, but club form I'd take 3 possibly 4 Germans maximum So why go off club form for a world cup match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 because players play the majority of their games for their clubs. You should judge how good they are based on those performances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terriers4ever Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Typed out a post then realised wtf am I doing even coming into this thread. Posts deleted, i'll leave you all too it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sandman Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Lampard is better than Bastian IMO, it was just a much more polished, sensible and composed performance on the day by the German...Lampard just like the others let themselves down pitifully with their allround performance. I don't want to laugh @ England but I have to say i'm appalled...no matter who is the manager they seem to find problems and don't want to play for the manager. Sven=too light, Fabio=too hard, McLaren=we won't respect him because of his rep. It seems to me this Golden Generation " ..." really couldn't co-exist unless they have the perfect manager. I am very disapointed they couldn't perform with a little more freedom and zip even if they found the set up difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamenaglar Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I know that Klose only scored 6 goals and that Podolski did even worse than that. So to say Klose > Rooney is really quite unfathomable. I agree on that. Neither Klose or Poldi had great form this season. I don't think either of them was really brilliant this tournament. Klose's movement is very good, but he's been missing quite a few chances. Poldi as well. Yes, Bayern reached the CL final. That does not make them better than Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and the like though. It doesn't?? Despite them beating Man Utd on the way? Hmmm, strange. Also man utd lost more games this season than last three, chelsea also lost quite a few games too. Anyway Arsenal had no players featured yesterday, and only one United's player featured. So we are left with a few chelsea players. You cannot argue with the club form of England's players (apart from Gerrard, Johnson and Upson this season) Really what's the last goal rooney scored? If I remember correctly, it was against Bayern away... It's been quite a long time, surely he hasn't been in form last few months? I didn't ask about england's player form, I asked about german's. You mentioned Klose and Podolski, what about the likes of schweinsteiger, khedira, lahm, oezil, mueller, who (as I hear from those more knowledgable in german football than me) demonstrated excellent form and ability this season. If I were a german and going off club form, playing style and actuall ability I might consider three or four english-men. Probably terry and cole (germans are a bit suspect in defense) and maybe rooney. It is incredible how much you guys overrate one-dimensional or average players such as lennon, milner, barry, johnson etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opto John Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 There is nothing more cringeworthy than hearing our "expert" pundits such as Mark Bright claim that he would take "no-one" man for man from the Germany side. Even before yesterday you would take Lahm, Ozil, Mertesacker and Khedira in a heartbeat, whilst also easily being able to make genuine cases for everybody else with the exception of Boateng. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I've not read any posts bar the OP so I could be saying exactly what somebody else said. Before the World Cup even began I said to all my mates that we will get knocked out by any half decent team (not calling Germany half decent) and that we were very overrated, they then slated me for not having faith and PASSION to which I then had to spend about 20 minutes explaining that PASSION!!!!!! is ******** and its an excuse that English people fall back on when they do ****. I also said all along that Robinson should of been called up for Green which they also said was terrible, he then cocks up big style and they all start calling him terrible and that they should of called up somebody else, cue me acting smug. When we qualified and got Germany I said we would get slaughtered (I was half expecting Serbia to beat us if they got through) and they again slated me for having no PASSION!!!!. When they did indeed slaughter us I once again had to just rub it in their faces that we are actually **** and so very overrated by the media. Honestly cant understand how anybody expected us to win the world cup with such an average squad, still think Walcott should of gone over SWP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Typed out a post then realised wtf am I doing even coming into this thread. Posts deleted, i'll leave you all too it. Having just read your original post, I fully support your decision to change your mind and delete it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hector Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 imo the whole sorry charade highlighted how important Rio is to England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurps11 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 because players play the majority of their games for their clubs. You should judge how good they are based on those performances It's actually one of Jogi Loew's most shining traits as a manager that he never followed that narrow minded logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hector Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thing is, do the Uruguayans play rugby, Only when they're not eating each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwilko6 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'll remember to open a post when Scotland and/or Wales fail to qualify for the Euros or the next World Cup, and then watch it get closed for trying to cause trouble. People keep bringing up the arrogance of English fans, with the exception of the odd few, you are incorrect. I'm starting to believe that smallmind or smallclone or whatever his name is has a point about England and the media. Fixed for you. The majority of Scots I know moan about how the media keep going on about 1966, yet when did you last hear an England FAN talk about it? Yet in the same breath these Scottish fans go on about '67 when they became "World Champions" because they beat England in a friendly. So who is really the more delusional FANS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehanson Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I can't believe a mod has allowed this to stay open tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Why? Just because a handful of the English fans are sore losers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I can't believe a mod has allowed this to stay open tbh Why? If it was posted in the England thread it would be trolling. You can see what sort of thread this is from the title. Not doing any real harm IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I don't care, I also don't care what the Jocks do or the Welsh I only care about what we do and how well we do so no real interest in gloating tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehanson Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Why? If it was posted in the England thread it would be trolling. You can see what sort of thread this is from the title. Not doing any real harm IMO. So when there are 100's of threads that are opened up when the premiership season starts 'Lets laugh at Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool' etc etc after a bad result, you as a mod, are going to be ok with that? You have opened a can of worms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheheadlesschicken Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The majority of Scots I know moan about how the media keep going on about 1966, yet when did you last hear an England FAN talk about it? Yet in the same breath these Scottish fans go on about '67 when they became "World Champions" because they beat England in a friendly. So who is really the more delusional FANS? I've never heard a Scottish fan go on about 1967. I expect that any who do are saying it jokingly. It's just banter between 2 sets of fans, nothing to do with being delusional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Wales World Cup 'record' copied from Wikipedia Brazil 1950 Did not qualify Switzerland 1954 Did not qualify Sweden 1958 Quarter-finals Chile 1962 Did not qualify England 1966 Did not qualify Mexico 1970 Did not qualify West Germany 1974 Did not qualify Argentina 1978 Did not qualify Spain 1982 Did not qualify Mexico 1986 Did not qualify Italy 1990 Did not qualify United States 1994 Did not qualify France 1998 Did not qualify South KoreaJapan 2002 Did not qualify Germany 2006 Did not qualify South Africa 2010 Did not qualify Yeah, England just so laughable Luxembourg's World Cup 'record' copied from Wikipedia Italy 1934 Did not qualify France 1938 Did not qualify Brazil 1950 Did not qualify Switzerland 1954 Did not qualify Sweden 1958 Did not qualify Chile 1962 Did not qualify England 1966 Did not qualify Mexico 1970 Did not qualify West Germany 1974 Did not qualify Argentina 1978 Did not qualify Spain 1982 Did not qualify Mexico 1986 Did not qualify Italy 1990 Did not qualify United States 1994 Did not qualify France 1998 Did not qualify South Korea/Japan 2002 Did not qualify Germany 2006 Did not qualify South Africa 2010 Did not qualify This is a fun game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 So when there are 100's of threads that are opened up when the premiership season starts'Lets laugh at Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool' etc etc after a bad result, you as a mod, are going to be ok with that? You have opened a can of worms. Just bookmark this as a reminder for next season when Arsenal win nowt again then open up your own thread for Pires Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 And if this thread is anything to go by the standard response would be 'omg you can't laugh at us doing crap, at least we're in the Prem unlike Coventry!!!!11!!!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott W51 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Hahahahahahahahahahhaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The Germans can laugh at England, the English can laugh at ourselves, any nation that has ever played well at a World Cup can laugh at England because we are ****. Jock, Taff and Paddy can't laugh at England, but I suppose you should be indulged as it's the closest thing to International competition for you lot, not counting the tri-nation farmyard animal molesting tournament you have when everyone else is at the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suge Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 That's a good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terriers4ever Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Luxembourg's World Cup 'record' copied from Wikipedia<snip> This is a fun game In my defence I acknowleged I was being a tit and retracted my posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The Germans can laugh at England, the English can laugh at ourselves, any nation that has ever played well at a World Cup can laugh at England because we are ****.Jock, Taff and Paddy can't laugh at England, but I suppose you should be indulged as it's the closest thing to International competition for you lot, not counting the tri-nation farmyard animal molesting tournament you have when everyone else is at the World Cup. Gwahahahahahahahahahahaha Edit: Hey, we have, in the past, played well at a World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 If in doubt, make a sheep joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 It's only fair that we get laughed at tbh. All those apparent top class players and we play like a bunch of numpties. Laugh away, it's fully deserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well, a lot more sheep in England, more people too, bet there's plenty of sheep shagging going on in Cornwall and the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 So when there are 100's of threads that are opened up when the premiership season starts'Lets laugh at Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool' etc etc after a bad result, you as a mod, are going to be ok with that? You have opened a can of worms. Completely different. No can of worms opened here. Read Chopper99's post above mine, it's the sensible way to react. Listen, just let them (Scottish and Welsh fans) have a bit of fun. In fairness it's not often they get to see their biggest rivals crash so spectacularly after weeks of moronic tubthumping in the red tops. Even as a fan of the England team I can see the England team deserve to be laughed at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 fwiw using the sheep shagger insult when you can't think of anything else makes you look like an imbecile. Yes, pouncer, I'm looking at you EDIT: Nah it's not that rare tbf, comes along every two years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 It's the sheep to people ratio that makes the Welsh weird though, lets be honest.As for the goings on in Cornwall........Welsh tourists! And maybe it is now time to close this. Anyone want to get in any final laughs at England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 On a point of teams for the future, Welsh youth players > English youth players. The Welsh have some real good youngsters coming through and will have a really strong team in the coming years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 and remember folks its probably more the press, pundits etc we are laughing at, who believe that it is their devine right to win anything they enter and the continuous mentioning of 66. You have to let go to move on!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 To finish this at exactly 200 posts would be cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'm not laughing at you to cover our failings though, I'm laughing because a good chunk of England deserves it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 To finish this at exactly 200 posts would be cool. Yes it would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'm not laughing at you to cover our failings though, I'm laughing because a good chunk of England deserves it. That good chunk being larely the media, all of England's idiotic fans (who probably don't quite make the majority tbf) and Ian Wright and Terry ****ing Venables. Especially Venables for that god awful ad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 "Live in the past" Should be England's eternal slogan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Yes it would. I'm not actually closing this fwiw. This isn't even one of the forums I moderate tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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