Woodmansee Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Just because a player scores, doesnt mean he has played well. Well hes a defensive midfidler, and Spain didn't score, and he scored the winning goal. If thats not playing well, I don't know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 credit where it's due, Switzerland beat Spain with a showpiece of brilliant, genius tactics. an absolute masterclass from Hitzfeld. not knocking hitzfeld but putting 10 players behind the ball is hardly a tactical masterclass. any team at this world cup can be that defensive and organised and score though a lucky goal. credit to them for executing it but spain did themselves no favours either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djstu23 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well done Switzerland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 IMO Navas tried too much, he lost most of his crosses. Torres or llorente (if Torres if fragile) ftw he gives the team a more penetrating aspect. i still rate silva above him though. but torres yeah. looked slightly rusty today but spain were much more dangerous with him on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_oc16 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Shouldnt Spain be bottom of the group? going on alphabetical order Higher world ranking puts them ahead iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Never said he did anything wrong. Just saying that he's at the bottom of the totem pole in term of starters, so starting him wasn't a good idea at the bottom? so Del Bosque thought "hell, let me start my worst player just for the sake of it"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard liege! Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well hes a defensive midfidler, and Spain didn't score, and he scored the winning goal. If thats not playing well, I don't know what is. Ffs you really dont know much do you? He could of gave away a penatly, been booked, and gave away the ball every time. Obviously he didn't but if you score it doesnt make you MoM. Benaglio and the defence all played better tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGLiverpool Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This result is going down very well over here:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Switzerland were more lucky than brilliant. Spain really should have scored about 3 or 4 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 preferred team next game: casillas - ramos puyol pique capdevilla - alonso - xavi cesc - iniesta silva - villa edit: 12 men first :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I don't know what is. You've hit the nail on the head there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 not knocking hitzfeld but putting 10 players behind the ball is hardly a tactical masterclass. any team at this world cup can be that defensive and organised and score though a lucky goal.credit to them for executing it but spain did themselves no favours either. I was being sarcastic tbh They did excellently in defence, but I'm completely in your camp on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 No team has lost their opening game and won the World Cup. That was great stuff, well done, Swiss. Spain more than capable of winning 2 games and topping the group but makes things interesting and adds some pressure. Our 1-1 draw against a decent Yank side isn't looking so bad after a few additional performances this week from others Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oypus Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Shouldnt Spain be bottom of the group? going on alphabetical order The order of the teams tied on points is completely irrelevant until after the last match of their whole group is played. There's a few tiebreakers based on goals scored and points and what not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 cinnabon - playing 12 men does tend to work. Spain should be disappointed, could have done much better. Got the result I wanted though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 preferred team next game:casillas - ramos puyol pique capdevilla - alonso - xavi cesc - iniesta silva - villa torres Haha, good luck getting FIFA to allow you to play a 4-5-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ffs you really dont know much do you? He could of gave away a penatly, been booked, and gave away the ball every time. Obviously he didn't but if you score it doesnt make you MoM. Benaglio and the defence all played better tbh. He didn't give away a penalty, get booked, so its a moot point you make. You don't really know much do you? He won the game and got them three points! Its not who is the best defender in the match. ITS CALLED MAN OF THE MATCH and that means Contribution. He got them 3 points instead of 1, no one did more than that.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oypus Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 preferred team next game:casillas - ramos puyol pique capdevilla - alonso - xavi cesc - iniesta silva - villa torres The good old 4-5-2. EDIT: Too slow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidist Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 not knocking hitzfeld but putting 10 players behind the ball is hardly a tactical masterclass. any team at this world cup can be that defensive and organised and score though a lucky goal.credit to them for executing it but spain did themselves no favours either. Defending is easy. I'm surprised anyone ever concedes goals really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_oc16 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 preferred team next game:casillas - ramos puyol pique capdevilla - alonso - xavi cesc - iniesta silva - villa torres That's 12 players, not sure they're allowed to do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiN8 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 preferred team next game:casillas - ramos puyol pique capdevilla - alonso - xavi cesc - iniesta silva - villa torres Would Honduras also have 12 players? =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Spai have to win twice now, think they can still do this tbh. Honduras is not as good as Switzerland and Chile is not a team that plays with 10 in defence. I reckon the Chile match could be somewhat like Barcelona vs Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Defending is easy. I'm surprised anyone ever concedes goals really. yeah very funny. clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 cinnabon - playing 12 men does tend to work.Spain should be disappointed, could have done much better. Got the result I wanted though. :o sorry. did that in a hurry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Spai have to win twice now, think they can still do this tbh. Honduras is not as good as Switzerland and Chile is not a team that plays with 10 in defence. I reckon the Chile match could be somewhat like Barcelona vs Arsenal. Fingers crossed. Chile looked pretty adventurous earlier on, and I hope they do come out and play that way again. Not only because it should make an interesting match to watch, but because Spain could, and should, put them away relatively easily if Chile do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 :o sorry. did that in a hurry If they ever did allow 12-a-side games, then that team would be awesome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I don't understand the hating of defensive football. Much rather my team won being defensive than lost trying to play good football. If Switzerland had played an attacking game they would have been destroyed. I actually enjoy watching great tactical defensive displays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard liege! Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 He didn't give away a penalty, get booked, so its a moot point you make. You don't really know much do you? He won the game and got them three points! Its not who is the best defender in the match. ITS CALLED MAN OF THE MATCH and that means Contribution. He got them 3 points instead of 1, no one did more than that.. I don't think they would of got 3 points without the other players do you? Without Benaglio they could of easily lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I finally truly feel like the tournament has started now. Got my excitement back up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Riccardo Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Yeah, that's what gets me really, I know everyone likes to play manager and I'm guilty of it myself at times but we've got people doubting the most decorated manager in the competition in terms of trophies won after less than a quarter of the match. Hitzfeld came in with a plan, his players executed it brilliantly, and they're in a superb position to qualify now (should be enough to beat Honduras). I agree with this and think they will do well because of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougess Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I don't understand the hating of defensive football. Much rather my team won being defensive than lost trying to play good football. If Switzerland had played an attacking game they would have been destroyed. I actually enjoy watching great tactical defensive displays Your first sentence implies a bias. Most of us are neutrals tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I agree with this and think they will do well because of him. Me too, its not like they're greece or anything though they do actually attack when they can.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
why? Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Terrible from Spain really. So many opportunities for a good cross or final ball wasted. Swiss display was very controlled and disciplined, but at the crucial moments Spain failed to make it difficult for them. Alonso was magnificent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 not knocking hitzfeld but putting 10 players behind the ball is hardly a tactical masterclass. any team at this world cup can be that defensive and organised and score though a lucky goal.credit to them for executing it but spain did themselves no favours either. Aye that's why the teams that play free-flowing attacking football, against the teams that "park the bus" always lose - especially at the world cup... If Switzerland did anything else than what they did today they would have lost (either that or Torres knew how to control the ball). The fact is, Swtizerland deserved their win because a. Their ability to turn chances into goals and b. their ability to defend was better than Spain's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaga_4_parma Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The Swiss definately didn't park the bus... Inter parked the bus in the 2nd lef of the CL-Semi's... The Swiss just played your standard "defend when not on the ball; counter-attack quickly when you do" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Aye that's why the teams that play free-flowing attacking football, against the teams that "park the bus" always lose - especially at the world cup... If Switzerland did anything else than what they did today they would have lost (either that or Torres knew how to control the ball). The fact is, Swtizerland deserved their win because a. Their ability to turn chances into goals and b. their ability to defend was better than Spain's. well since I thought ruben was being serious it doesn't matter now. the only problem I have is with people calling putting 10 men behind the ball some kind of managerial masterclass when it really isn't. not denying switzerland played well and deserved to win but also spain were poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The Swiss definately didn't park the bus...Inter parked the bus in the 2nd lef of the CL-Semi's... The Swiss just played your standard "defend when not on the ball; counter-attack quickly when you do" To be fair your statement is kind of incorrect. It really was more "defend when not on the ball; attack quickly when you are". Most people call it "playing football" I never get this "counter" stuff. Surely, you either defend or attack. Each team "counters" when they change role from attack to defend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 well since I thought ruben was being serious it doesn't matter now. the only problem I have is with people calling putting 10 men behind the ball some kind of managerial masterclass when it really isn't. not denying switzerland played well and deserved to win but also spain were poor. It's not a masterclass, but it still takes skill and organisation. Just sticking 10 players behind the ball and saying "defend for 90 minutes" won't work, and we've all seen plenty of games where teams try this and lose the match. Why? Because they are either not good players, or the coach has got his ideas wrong, or whatever. Defending seems to have this stigma that it doesn't take any talent at all, whereas creating/attacking does. Attacking may require more talent than defending, but when teams like Switzerland successfully pull off a result like today, credit must be given to the skill involved. It's not like they did it against Chile, it was against the best international side in football (in general, and going forward). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sned Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 To be fair your statement is kind of incorrect. It really was more "defend when not on the ball; attack quickly when you are". Most people call it "playing football" I never get this "counter" stuff. Surely, you either defend or attack. Each team "counters" when they change role from attack to defend... Heh, I get what you mean, but surely 'countering' quite obviously means changing from defence to attack quickly to catch the other team off guard. Not many teams 'counter' successfully. Every team changes from defending to attacking in a game but counter-attacking is a bit different and a pretty specialist skill, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Yeah I know that, but lets be honest a team like Spain and Brazil use the defend and counter then more often than Switzerland ever could, because well their attackers are quicker in general. Just a silly term which may or may-not be used. (Expect me to use it within the next 24 hours ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 It's not a masterclass, but it still takes skill and organisation. Just sticking 10 players behind the ball and saying "defend for 90 minutes" won't work, and we've all seen plenty of games where teams try this and lose the match. Why? Because they are either not good players, or the coach has got his ideas wrong, or whatever.Defending seems to have this stigma that it doesn't take any talent at all, whereas creating/attacking does. Attacking may require more talent than defending, but when teams like Switzerland successfully pull off a result like today, credit must be given to the skill involved. It's not like they did it against Chile, it was against the best international side in football (in general, and going forward). attacking requires more talent than defending - that is all i'm on about. tbf to switzerland they came out a bit more in the second half, aswell as defended well so they fully deserved to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 There's nothing wrong with having a defensive attitude as long as there is a counter attack. It's when 2 teams defend and then try and crawl through the midfield and don't get any where that it gets boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 well you can't attack without the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Gelsoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intruder-II Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Don't count deserved goals. Switzerland created the best chances and scored one. Spain passed the ball around, had chances but from wide positions and long range shots (Xavi Alonso). There are no half goals. Goals are scored, not deserved and all are equal to 1, be it a simple tap in, an own goal or one like Maradona's second against England. Both quality chances created by the Swiss were better than simple shots from the side with lots of defenders inbetween. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Just one thing about the Man of the Match, it's voted online so many times won't represent what really happened on the pitch.. people will just vote on whoever scored first or most goals,etc Shocking upset, was a shame that Derdiyok hit the post on that chance, amazing goal if it had went in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Good game that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Trust me to miss this game.... really chuffed for the Swiss. Always seen them as being very underated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So glad that Switzerland won, Spain were a bunch of whining bitches. Every time there was a tackle, whether it was a foul or not they were calling for a free kick and a few times they gestured to the referee that the player should be booked. Well done Switzerland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Spain to go out in the group stage. Euro2008 a fluke \0/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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