baddragon62 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Please get rid of this crap requirement..... It serves no purpose and fills my hard disk up with junk saves. If people forget to save the bloody games, they will only do it once. Please give us a cancel option..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Can't you just delete the save if you don't want it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Set the saving option in preferences to the rolling 3 game autosave, set weekly and you will only ever have 3 saves stored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddragon62 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Scenario - I start a save, poke around and decide I don't want to keep it, so I have to save it before I can throw it away. Scenario - I realise That I have made a mistake with the leagues I am loading - I have to save it before I throw it away. Happens a lot and it really bugs the hell out of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I also wondered why the mandatory save when starting a new game. Hope they got rid of it for FM17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddragon62 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, FrazT said: Set the saving option in preferences to the rolling 3 game autosave, set weekly and you will only ever have 3 saves stored. That is not the points - why am I forced to save the game if I don't want to keep it? It's like being back in kindergarten.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddragon62 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, andu1 said: I also wondered why the mandatory save when starting a new game. Hope they got rid of it for FM17 At least give us the option to turn it off in preferences... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 If you click on the quit game option in the drop down menu you will be given the option to save or not- you dont have to save any game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddragon62 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, FrazT said: If you click on the quit game option in the drop down menu you will be given the option to save or not- you dont have to save any game. Again not a solution - then I have to wait 10 minutes to reload the game.... I want to abort the save I have created. Not abort the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, FrazT said: If you click on the quit game option in the drop down menu you will be given the option to save or not- you dont have to save any game. He's talking about the mandatory save when starting a new game. Not sure why FM 16 had a mandatory save option as it doesn't make any sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just started a game to check this again, as i have forgotten. Loaded up a nation now and went through all the stuff to set up my manager. Now i have come to the mandatory save screen, realised i've made a mistake and i want to start all over again. In order to get away from that screen i am forced to save the game. A save i will delete anyway. Why am i forced to save the game? I can't do anything but save. There is a cancel button there but it's grayed out. The above is possibly a scenario a few people can have and i agree with OP. It can be pretty annoying being forced to save a game you don't want to save at all. I can't quit the game to desktop. Nor can i quit the game to the game start screen. Why is it a forced save? What purpose does it serve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey1978 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Of all the things to get wound up about... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 tbf it's never been a feature I've particularly liked. I'd prefer not to having to save everything before I start, but hey ho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just save it, then, when you stop making mistakes at the start and actually have a game that you want, go to 'save as' and delete the ones you don't want to keep before saving the one you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 It's really not a big issue. When I'm editing the game, I start a lot of test games, sometimes just to check, that clubs are in the right division. A lot of that tests would not need a save, but I don't care about the seconds, when it does save and let it override just the last "untitled game". And to be honest there is the one or two times, when I'm happy that I can load it again, because I forgot to check something else. I think the reason because there is this auto-save is obvious. If they would remove it, they would have to add a lot more confirmation (do you want to save the game, before doing this), which could also become irritating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 If you think it is worth changing then post in the Features Suggestion thread with the link at the top of the forums and the SI staff will read it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 hours ago, KUBI said: It's really not a big issue. When I'm editing the game, I start a lot of test games, sometimes just to check, that clubs are in the right division. A lot of that tests would not need a save, but I don't care about the seconds, when it does save and let it override just the last "untitled game". And to be honest there is the one or two times, when I'm happy that I can load it again, because I forgot to check something else. I think the reason because there is this auto-save is obvious. If they would remove it, they would have to add a lot more confirmation (do you want to save the game, before doing this), which could also become irritating. I agree with the OP on this I understand why the auto-save option is there, but it used to give the option to cancel as well as save when asking for the file name, which means no extra clicks, so don't really understand why this was changed And whilst it may not be the biggest of issues, if you don't ask, you don't get! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Pompey1978 said: Of all the things to get wound up about... That was my exact thought. It takes 1 minute and takes up a few Mb and can be deleted as soon as you don't need it. I try and delete previous saves every once in a while to free up a bit of space. Takes 2-3 minutes out of my life. Not the biggest inconvenience is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 When playing with all leagues on a HDD. It takes time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 In all honesty, life's a bitch and then you die. Raise it in the feature request forum. Doubt complaining on here will make any difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Personally i have no issues with it. I view this as just a discussion; hence why i asked the questions i asked earlier. Why is it forced? What purpose does it serve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I guess it ensures that your newly created game isn't lost for any reason, save you setting it all up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 17, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 17, 2016 The reason we have this is so that auto saves work correctly. We had instances where a user had auto saves on but the game never saved. The reason being, they never created a save in the first place. You have to save at the start of the game to enable to auto-save function - likewise doing so gives you the choice to choose what type of autosave you have. Having spoken to users who have lost save games due to a system crash, this can be a painful lesson to learn if you haven't saved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Thanks for that insightful reply Neil Isn't the autosave mechanism programmed to register, and take into calculation, whether there exists a manual save or not? Wouldn't it be possible to have the game recognise that, so it would create a new save with a generic name? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 17, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 17, 2016 32 minutes ago, roykela said: Thanks for that insightful reply Neil Isn't the autosave mechanism programmed to register, and take into calculation, whether there exists a manual save or not? Wouldn't it be possible to have the game recognise that, so it would create a new save with a generic name? No the autosave is only activated when the first save happens. In theory I imagine that is possible somehow, but then the user's wouldn't necessarily know where the file has been saved to. In this process everything is made very clear to the user. We would very much prefer that no 'workaround' of this becomes public knowledge. So please don't post about it here or anywhere else. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: No the autosave is only activated when the first save happens. In theory I imagine that is possible somehow, but then the user's wouldn't necessarily know where the file has been saved to. In this process everything is made very clear to the user. We would very much prefer that no 'workaround' of this becomes public knowledge. So please don't post about it here or anywhere else. Thanks. I think i understand what you're saying there and that certainly makes sense to me. Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Surely the reasonable compromise is to have the feature as default, but an option in preferences to turn it off. That would for me - I spend as much time in the editor as playing a save, and I periodically check to see if my updated file loads up correctly without intending to play a game until I've completed the editing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Neil Brock said: No the autosave is only activated when the first save happens. In theory I imagine that is possible somehow, but then the user's wouldn't necessarily know where the file has been saved to. In this process everything is made very clear to the user. We would very much prefer that no 'workaround' of this becomes public knowledge. So please don't post about it here or anywhere else. Thanks. I agree with the OP. Sounds to me like you're sacrificing a better user experience because of the way the internal mechanics work. If that's how auto-saves work then it seems to me that they should work differently, rather than adding an extra hoop for the user to jump through. I'd also get rid of the mandatory save and trigger the auto-save some other way, and either give them a generic name if no save exists, or prompt the user for a name the first time it auto-saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 10 hours ago, baddragon62 said: Scenario - I start a save, poke around and decide I don't want to keep it, so I have to save it before I can throw it away. Scenario - I realise That I have made a mistake with the leagues I am loading - I have to save it before I throw it away. Happens a lot and it really bugs the hell out of me. Why don't you start an unemployed save and immediately save it. Use that as a template for future saves? When you then want to start a new save, just load the template save up, add yourself as a new manager at a club and off you go. You can also add/remove leagues as you go. That should save the two minutes of your life that you crave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 17, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yeah if people want different functionality, probably best to post it in the feature request forums and we'll look into it for a future version - https://community.sigames.com/forum/353-football-manager-feature-requests/ Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJG123 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Neil Brock said: You have to save at the start of the game to enable to auto-save function - This wasn't the case on FM15 was it? It would just save as 'untitled game' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baodan Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 18 hours ago, mark1985 said: That was my exact thought. It takes 1 minute and takes up a few Mb and can be deleted as soon as you don't need it. I try and delete previous saves every once in a while to free up a bit of space. Takes 2-3 minutes out of my life. Not the biggest inconvenience is it? It may take 1 min. for you, my friend, but to the rest of us mortals it might take a bit more. And maybe you don't start that many new games, and so wont have this problem that often, to the rest of us it might be a bit more common. Now considering this isn't "the biggest inconvenience", at least to you clearly, I do find it a bit odd that you'd take time out to look up this specific thread just to comment against a non-issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I'll have to check back but IIRC new all leagues save takes less than 2 minutes to save on a 7200rpm HDD. if anyone is seeing a new game taking significantly longer to save then chances are there is an issue with where they are saving to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 44 minutes ago, Baodan said: It may take 1 min. for you, my friend, but to the rest of us mortals it might take a bit more. And maybe you don't start that many new games, and so wont have this problem that often, to the rest of us it might be a bit more common. Now considering this isn't "the biggest inconvenience", at least to you clearly, I do find it a bit odd that you'd take time out to look up this specific thread just to comment against a non-issue. Given that it was at the top of the forum when I logged on, I hardly 'took the time to look it up.' I usually only use leagues from 1 country on a save when making a new save and I enjoy spending a lot of time on 1 save. That said, my laptop is 6 or 7 years old and not particularly well taken care of, but it stills takes maybe a minute to save a game, so this minute at the start of a new save is hardly the end of the world. Every so often, I delete a few older saves to free up some space, which takes only a few minutes. Honestly, of all the things FM could improve on, this is pretty far down the list in my opinion... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 18, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2016 11 hours ago, BJG123 said: This wasn't the case on FM15 was it? It would just save as 'untitled game' No, it's just when you went to save for the first time the default save game name would be 'Untitled Game'. Also in that process you wouldn't have the option to change your auto-save preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baodan Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, mark1985 said: Given that it was at the top of the forum when I logged on, I hardly 'took the time to look it up.' I usually only use leagues from 1 country on a save when making a new save and I enjoy spending a lot of time on 1 save. That said, my laptop is 6 or 7 years old and not particularly well taken care of, but it stills takes maybe a minute to save a game, so this minute at the start of a new save is hardly the end of the world. Every so often, I delete a few older saves to free up some space, which takes only a few minutes. Honestly, of all the things FM could improve on, this is pretty far down the list in my opinion... No one claimed it was a critical problem in need of immediate action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Right guys, stick to the topic please and cut out the bickering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 17/10/2016 at 08:54, baddragon62 said: Again not a solution - then I have to wait 10 minutes to reload the game.... I want to abort the save I have created. Not abort the game. You want to abort a "save" before you've saved it? Then it's not even a "save". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarltonBanks Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 If it's there to ensure auto-save works properly, I can't see any reason for messing with it. It would take literally hundreds of saves before it took up any noticeable amount of hard drive space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McClane29 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 This is a minor problem which has been around in many past FM's, but it does annoy me at times. It takes me an age to settle on a save sometimes, so having to save the game immediately just wastes time when I want to reload the game for whatever reason. Maybe an alternative would be for the game to require a mandatory save when clicking 'continue' for the first time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothan Spy Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I see this annoying feature remains in FM17... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie MUFC Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I wish they'd get rid of this too. Annoying when I spend ages setting a save up, only to realise halfway through processing it that I've forgotten something, and so I'm forced to waste more time saving a game I'm not going to keep. Why it's forced in the first place, I don't know. Never used to be and we got along fine without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loklokno123 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 U mean the mandatory save after loading the league? if yes, you can press ESC to get rid of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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