Kopite Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I hope he is. The money should be there again though. We have more sponsorship revenue than ever and our wage bills has decreased. So why didnt they back Rodgers and reinvest it? The only way to further increase our revenue in the short term is to be back in the champions league. We won't get there without spending so they need to make their move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I don't think you understand where the sources of that money were. We got £50m for Torres before and money was invested from outside the club. Increased sponsorship and a lower wage bill can't necessarily match that, especially as afaia we were operating at a loss anyway before. We are in a finacially more secure position now, but that doesn't mean NESV have the money to invest from outside again, especially with funding for the stadium on the horizion. also spending doesnt automatically get us back in the CL though, we could go and spend £100m really well, but still be competiting with Arsenal come the end of the season and missing out. the most important thing is to be sensible and not overstretch outselves, invest in youth and spend big on a few key positions and build the squad over the long term. it's all about the right player at the right time, for instance Dempsey at £6m would have been far better than another Carroll at £35m. Rodgers needs backing finacially, but that doesn't mean just throw £100m at the squad. Right player, right price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Laughable how 'some' people are blaming the owners for appointing Kenny and ******* away a hundred million when they were screaming about Kenny going in the first place. Worst kind of supporters these xenophobic clowns who want instant success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 I doubt there will be any external investment TBH. They paid £200m to by the club and it's not leveraged aginst us and the net transfer spending so far has been pretty much funded by our operating profit with perhaps a modest amount from the board. There should be a hell of a lot of spare cash in the budget now though and dumping the likes of Downing and Cole can only help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I wouldn't want outside investment it's not the best way to run a football club. But I believe we needed to spend more than we did last summer. Werner himself said we had the money to compete with anyone in football. Was this more PR or genuine? I still think sacking kenny was the wrong decision. I wanted him to be given time. I also believe had we had kenny I'm charge this season we would be in a better position than we are currently. That's not having a dig at Rodgers just the way I feel. I just think out owners are making constant mistakes on football matters. They remind me slightly of Lerner at Villa, more interested in cutting costs than improving the squad. I know spending £100m won't magically give you 4th spot. But if they genuinely believe Rodgers is the best man to take our club forward they should've backed him. Surely he would spend the money well if he's their main target for the managers job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I think it's telling that probably every single fan of every single Premier League club wishes you still had Kenny in charge. Make of that what you will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherlover Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I think it's telling that probably every single fan of every single Premier League club wishes you still had Kenny in charge. Make of that what you will I don't, but then I can't stand him whinging to the media the whole time. Brendan Rogers is bad enough in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I don't, but then I can't stand him whinging to the media the whole time. Brendan Rogers is bad enough in that respect. What? Lost for words tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty1982 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I think it's telling that probably every single fan of every single Premier League club wishes you still had Kenny in charge. Make of that what you will In what way?because rodgers is so much better and so with kenny in charge most teams had a chance of winning?im not a liverpool fan but even if given time rodgers will do better than kenny would.Plus cant stand kenny's constant moaning and having a go at journalists for daring to ask a question that he didnt like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We had 1 more shot than Swansea last night and lost 3-1. if you can't score the obvious thing to do is keep it tight at the other end.. we may be a team in transition but yet again a poor overall performance.. these players should have performance and result based pay, they would buck there ideas up then!! Someone said Allen was poor last night? i just heard on tv Rodgers said Allen was the only midfielder that played well!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We had 1 more shot than Swansea last night and lost 3-1. if you can't score the obvious thing to do is keep it tight at the other end.. we may be a team in transition but yet again a poor overall performance.. these players should have performance and result based pay' date=' they would buck there ideas up then!![b']Someone said Allen was poor last night? i just heard on tv Rodgers said Allen was the only midfielder that played well!?[/b] I said Allen was poor. He kept giving the ball away and seemed to be caught in possession a fair few times in dangerous areas, which is unlike him. I also read that BR said he was excellent which left me scratching my head a bit, saying that though, I guess he's ever so slightly more qualified than I am to pass judgment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Someone also said Allen was terrible in the derby, not sure if it was in here or a work colleague but I was left dumbfounded a little as I thought he done pretty well trying to run the midfield by himself. He has no help at all atm which is why we need Lucas back. Also, I assume Rodgers knows exactly the reasons why he hasn't been giving a large budget and will have accepted that knowing that there would be funds in the future. Though, he has spent a good bit of money considering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We definitely need some sort of defensive midfielder for when Lucas is out. Allen ain't the best at slotting in there temporarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 So nobody else thought Allen had a poor game last night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 he worked hard and got stuck in but it was pretty poor from everyone who started really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We definitely need some sort of defensive midfielder for when Lucas is out. Allen ain't the best at slotting in there temporarily. Henderson, he is best suited for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 People talking about the owners already. I don't think we realise how bad this squad is. Our first XI is alright, i would say 6th-8th. We just have so many players that our just not good enough if we want to finish top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 To be fair, he had £10m for a forward in the summer He spent it on Borini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Henderson, he is best suited for that.He's not aggressive enough and hides from the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 To be fair, he had £10m for a forward in the summerHe spent it on Borini. He needs to be given a chance, come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 He's not aggressive enough and hides from the ball I think he would do well next to Allen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 He needs to be given a chance, come on. Rodgers and the fans want a striker in January, which leaves Borini either third choice or put out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Think it is a bit early to decide on Borini, he is young, needs time and has just come to a new league and has moved house like 10000000x in the past year, well something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Rodgers and the fans want a striker in January, which leaves Borini either third choice or put out wide. Well he has been out wide this season so not much will change there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Plus cant stand kenny's constant moaning and having a go at journalists for daring to ask a question that he didnt like. Kenny has nothing on Rodgers in that regard: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xctmrs_brendan-rodgers-last-live-post-matc_sport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 [video=youtube;aC3HzCVVV14] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 "Then I remembered how easy it was for Man United to sign Tevez" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Kenny has nothing on Rodgers in that regard:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xctmrs_brendan-rodgers-last-live-post-matc_sport One interview years ago? His response is fairly blase there tbh, doesn't remotely come across as a moan. More calling out a journo who doesn't appear to have a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 People talking about the owners already. I don't think we realise how bad this squad is. but thats exactly why the owners come into question! their remit from the day they came in was to trim the wage bill, which is all very good for the business but its left us with a threadbare squad and although there might be 3-4 more players on too much money can they really expect to be able to wait until theyve gone aswell? lets face it, it'll be a miracle if we're able to get rid of cole before his contract runs out and downing and carroll will go at a huge loss no matter what. now is the time to start rebuilding the squad to at least an acceptable level again otherwise we're gonna go nowhere fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 That doesn't mean ******* money away like Dalglish and Comolli did. Get a grip people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silcock69 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Oi lads do us a favour and sign this pleae this please, it's a petition to bring Anne Williams sons hillsbrough inquest forward, She's just been diagnosed with terminal cancer so she needs this inquest ASAP so she can see justice for herself and her family. http://bit.ly/Q5A8Rj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 That doesn't mean ******* money away like Dalglish and Comolli did. Get a grip people. yeah, thats what im saying.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubiscus Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 That doesn't mean ******* money away like Dalglish and Comolli did. Get a grip people. Yep, that 100m was basically our chance to get the team back into the top 4 in the short term, building back up to 2009 standards. ***** it all away, apart from Suarez, is why we’re in such a mess today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I said Allen was poor. He kept giving the ball away and seemed to be caught in possession a fair few times in dangerous areas, which is unlike him. I also read that BR said he was excellent which left me scratching my head a bit, saying that though, I guess he's ever so slightly more qualified than I am to pass judgment. Manager defend players at times? Is it possible Rodgers is starting to feel frustrated? he can only work with the tools he has but regardless of his playing style it currently seems we are playing the same way under previous managers which is below par.. did anyone see the Diouf attack on Gerrard and how people don't like him? I'm wondering how the team would play with out him in it, do players still look to him as some kind of god that is going to pull the string's in games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 [video=youtube;aC3HzCVVV14] Can't believe how much Benitez's stock has fallen. I think he is a good manager, actually wanted him at Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Can't believe how much Benitez's stock has fallen. I think he is a good manager, actually wanted him at Spurs. Maybe his time at Inter didn't help? I would liked to of seen him back at Liverpool.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Maybe his time at Inter didn't help? I would liked to of seen him back at Liverpool.. Never go back. So glad we didnt approach him to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'd have Rafa back tomorrow. Whoever he manages next will be very lucky. He will certainly come back refreshed and motivated having had plenty of time to watch teams all over Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 When Liverpool was at there peak under Benitez they finished 2nd to Utd, That summer he wanted to buy Tevez and we ended up losing Alonso! One of Benitez's biggest mistakes.. had we of signed Tevez.. all the good younsters coming threw now was mostly down to Bentiez and how he set the club up.. Just hope we make some good signing's in this Jan window.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 guys the rafa boat has sailed. let's move on with our lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 I thought we had got over the Rafa thing... apparently not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 i wonder what my chances of a Rodgerlution change are. why arent you a mod anymore bell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 I retired after a long and distinguished career. Only Neil Brock can changes names... and Rodgerlution is a terrible name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 i know! but i figured an actual proper name change is out of the question! it is pretty bad though on further reflection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I thought we had got over the Rafa thing... apparently not. The fanbase probably won't get over him until someone comes in and matches his achievements. Right now, the last 3 (including Rodgers) have/are falling woefully short. All these last 3 seasons, including this one, are showing is that when Rafa was here he did a fantastic job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's the only thing I'm critical of the owners for, that they never even held talks with him. When you admit yourself you know next to nothing about the sport at least talk to someone who obviously does instead of the two or three idiots they got their opinion of him from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Umm, we all love Rafa jep mate but the squad we have this season is half the squad Rafa had time to build. This is, imo, through very little fault of Rodgers. To say he's falling woefully short when the game is rigged so much more out of his favour isn't really fair is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 yeah, theres no way anyone should be jumping on rodgers back yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Get Rafa, Alonso and Torres back imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think the future is kinda bright, depending what we do at the present but saying that the present is a bit meeeeeeh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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