Miles Jacobson

FM2010 blogs #27 - Achievements. And 2 new match engine videos.

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[quote name='Mensell76']Hey Miles,

The match engine video's look a whole better now compared to last month. The stadiums do add to the overall feel of a match. However what I am missing:

1. Are there skyboxes in the bigger club stadiums? Or is this something for FM2011?
2. Will the seats always be gray or will they have the colours of the homeplaying team?
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1. No skyboxes, no. Possibly something for FM11 - those meetings haven't happened yet!
2. The are grey. There was a huge debate here about it, and it's something that if we're going to change, we're going to do properly. So grey won out out of the options.

[quote name='ulrich87']Question: Would I be able to install through steam to avoid having to have the disk in the DVD-drive all the time, and turn OFF the achievements?[/QUOTE]

I expect there is a way to do it, but I don't know how personally.

[quote name='philly_flyer10']The steam only achievements is lame, theres no reason whatsoever why this couldnt be done for non steam users and seems like its designed to push users onto registering with steam.[/QUOTE]

There is a rather massive reason why this couldn't be done for non-Steam users. It's a Steam system, only available through Steam. We coded the achievements, but the underlying code behind it is not ours, nor is it something we are planning on spending our time coding.

We'd rather spend time making the game, rather than adding stuff that is already there from others that we can use free of charge.

[quote name='baker.simon']Looking superb, loving the net bulging and the crowds. The stadiums are such an improvement and IMO add to the experience.

One question, could you turn the stadiums, or certain features such as crowds off to get better performance on a lower end machine?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

[quote name='Deathorglory']Miles, I have a question. Its not entirely related to this blog in particular, but in 09 there were some PPM's that did not work, such as 'likes to lob keeper' and a few others. Have they been fixed for 010? I apologise if this has been answered before.

Great job with the videos, the match engine looks fantastic.[/QUOTE]

I'm told they are fixed. So I hope they are. There are some new ones too, I'm told.

[quote name='elminsterr']Please [B]Miles[/B] in FM 2010 add option that will turn off shadows of the stands. I hate to watch games with half of the pitch very dark and half in normal light. I want to see stands but I don't want to see the shadows of them on my pitch.

I think that many people have the same probem.[/QUOTE]

You can argue that one with our match engine team :)

[quote name='ism-scfc']A video of a game from England would be nice. As I have no idea who any of those teams were[/QUOTE]

Licensing issues limit the teams we can use.

[quote name='bluebirds4life']Miles has the 2d been improved in any way at all since 09,?[/QUOTE]

The match engine drives 2d and 3d views. Therefore the 2d is better because the match engine is better.

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Why aren't the fans wearing their teams colours? Not all of them but some at least should.

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[quote name='jsolloso']Not too bothered with achievements as I dont really play online so its not something I'm that interested in[/QUOTE]

You dont have to be online when playing the game if you've installed with steam so I think you'll probably still get the achievements if your offline but if I am wrong then Miles or someone else please correct me.

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[quote name='Chocapik']Why aren't the fans wearing their teams colours? Not all of them but some at least should.[/QUOTE]

I'd imagine that is similar to the seat colours in that 'it's something that if we're going to change, we're going to do properly.' but it is not in the game yet.

Give them time ;)

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Just watched the video and I was completely taken by surprise to see the goal net move now. I've been wishing for it for quite some time (and made requests about it) and I am just speechless. It makes the match view much more entertaining as well as "polished" which I think was definitely the right theme for this year.

What I did notice was, in the 1st video, the goal net doesn't move during the replay of a goal. Look at about 6:45 to 6:50 and you will see what I mean. Not a deal breaker, but something worth mentioning. Apologies if it has been mentioned already.

Now, if we could see some nice tricks/feints, even in their simplest form, that would just be icing on the cake.

Edit: Just saw the 2nd video. The penalty seemed a bit odd. The goalkeeper didn't dive (seemed to be the case in FM 09, at least from my experience) and the goal net didn't bulge.

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LOVE the nets :)

Just tell me, in the videos I haven't seen... Well this is hard to explain, you know when the ball goes for a goal kick behind the goal and it's passed back to the keeper? Is it only me or there is no more of the ball going through the net, instead it seems it's pased around.

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Have there been any changes to the highlight modes, e.g extended, key? What I'd like to see for the future is a detailed option similar to what CM10 has that allows the user to specify the type of highlights they what to watch.

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The match engine looks good.. there can still be more animations (the manager.. the referee raising his arms for the advantage rule.. animations for substitutions and so on) but I know that they will come some time in the future.

I noticed the lazy goalkeeper not diving, too. I hope that is not a bug.. but good work, SI.

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Looks quality. I love the fact that the fans celebrate and away fans as well! What was up with the referree in the first game though. Sending off 3 players at the same time for the same team!! Ha ha.

A quick question for anyone at SI re the stadiums. If I create a stadium will I get the options to make 4 sides, with or without corners etc? What about when you increase or reduce the capacity in existing stadiums would that show in the game?

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[quote name='Miles Jacobson']
Licensing issues limit the teams we can use.
[/QUOTE]

Really?

For a match engine video? And don't you have a license for the football league anyway? You certainly have player photos out of the box for it

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Miles, when will the new website be online?? :P

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In the first video, I noticed the assistant flagging for the direction of the throw. Has that been in the game before and I've just not noticed or is it new?

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[quote name='Miles Jacobson']1. No skyboxes, no. Possibly something for FM11 - those meetings haven't happened yet!
2. The are grey. There was a huge debate here about it, and it's something that if we're going to change, we're going to do properly. So grey won out out of the options.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your answer Miles. A stadium editor would be nice perhaps for FM2011 :)

I.m.o. it is a missed opportunity not having the fans and seats in the right colours and not having skyboxes. When adding new features to FM, they should be the best they can possible be instead of putting in it because we want it to be there. The stadiums now look like a compromise, it is nice to have them in but are not really adding to the realism of the club we are managing. Every stadium will be a grey shaped box, just the corners and size might vary. I completely understand the fact that it was impossible to get licensing for stadiums around the world. Having added skyboxes would however have added to the professional look of a stadium and adding the right colours of the seating would have given the feeling that a team is truly playing in it's homestadium. I mean it as a compliment that I don't think it is SI standard to put something in the game as a compromise. Last year there were no stadiums because SI had its focuse on the 3d match engine. When you announced stadiums would be in FM2010 I had higher hopes, so in that regard I felt let down. It was the icing on the fm cake I was hoping for.

However of course it first and foremost is all about 3d match experience and I am glad to see improvement there, although FM09 was also very satisfactory in that aspect. Still looking forward to the game mainly because of a better 3d match experience and of course the possibility of creating your own new cups.

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3D looking goodm now, I like the crowds a lot too.. think i might change from 2D to 3D this year :)

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:cool: GREAT IMRPOVMENT this year im gonna watch 3D all matches :thup: i love the new crowds ect and i hope some user will make a new sound in matches like for the crowd when they chant ect for fm10 :P

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[quote name='Wullie']In the first video, I noticed the assistant flagging for the direction of the throw. Has that been in the game before and I've just not noticed or is it new?[/QUOTE]

That must be new as it definitely was'nt in FM2009, the linesman would just run up and down the line :)

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Why does everyone issue a string of complaints about the way the match engine looks? Isn't it much more important that they've improved the AI? It seems to me that the player representations move much more realistically and that the passing and shot taking and goal keeping all have been significantly improved. Yeah we'd love to see all the things many users have criticized SI for not including in this updated version of their best in the biz match engine but lets not lose sight of the fact that they're pouring countless hours into producing what is the finest management sim ever created.

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Only half way through the first video atm, but it looks fantastic. The football is so realistic, it's amazing.

OMG THERE'S A NET EFFECT! :D

As others have said, I think it's time to change completely to 3D this year.

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Looking good, Loving the fact that the net actually bulges when you score a goal.

Shame about all the seats/stands in every stadium all being grey, Was hoping it would be the home teams colours. Every match home or away will get repeatif after a while with the stands/fans looking exactly the same.

The Home/Away fans split looks great, Makes it look much more realistic. The 3D match is alot smoother like the fact the player picks up the ball and places it down when taking a free kick.
I can't wait even more now, Roll on next Friday ...

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This all looks fantastic. Now imagine how much more immersive this will feel if there was proper crowd noise and realistic football sounds. ;)

Also, a stadium editor would be a real bonus. Just like I'm sure there'll be many fans who will do a great job creating realistic leagues that are not currently offered by SI, I have no doubt that fans would be able to create stadiums that resemble closely the real stadia. :)

Regarding the achievements, I find it superfluous, but I see no reason why anyone would freak out over them. If you don't care for them, you can just ignore it. Having played my fair share of Team Fortress 2 or Left 4 Dead, I can assure that it doesn't detract from the experience one iota, and if anything gets you more interested in the game.

EDIT: One small criticism, maybe it's my poor eyesight, but it seems to me that the spectators in the stands are not in the same scale as the players in the field - they seem bigger.

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[quote name='giggs129']That must be new as it definitely was'nt in FM2009, the linesman would just run up and down the line :)[/QUOTE]

It is new - I've gone back and played a game tonight since I saw that and the ball rolled out at the linesmans feet and he stood there and did nothing - another small thing that makes the ME more realistic :thup:

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Here is what I think the achievements will be:
[B]
He’s signed! - [/B]Sign a player.
[B]Clean sheet[/B][B] - [/B]Don't concede in one (or X matches in a row) match
[B]Hat-trick[/B][B] - [/B]Get a hattrick from player Y
[B]What a goal![/B][B] - [/B]Win goal of the month award
[B]Top of the class[/B][B] - [/B]Complete a manager exam (new feature?)
[B]You’re up![/B][B] - [/B]Get a promotion
[B]Cup glory![/B][B] - [/B]Win a domestic cup
[B]Champions![/B][B] - [/B]Win the league
[B]Double hat-track[/B][B] - [/B]Get six goals from player Y (assuming track is a typo)
[B]Team performance[/B][B] - [/B]Every player has at least average rating of 7.0
[B]International superstar[/B][B] - [/B]Nurture a 50 cap player
[B]Park the bus[/B][B] - [/B]Win 1-0 with 30% possession
[B]Comeback king![/B][B] - [/B]Score two stoppage time goals
[B]Star man[/B][B] - [/B]Have a seven star rating in every training category
[B]Goal machine[/B][B] - [/B]Have player Y to score 150 club goals
[B]Unstoppable force[/B][B] - [/B]Win 20 matches in a row
[B]Iron curtain[/B][B] - [/B]Play in former soviet block country
[B]Scoring streak[/B][B] - [/B]Have a player Y score in 5 consecutive matches
[B]Unbeatable![/B][B] - [/B]Avoid losing in 20 matches
[B]Parked the tank[/B][B] - [/B]Win 1-0 with 20% possession
[B]National service[/B][B] - [/B]Manage a national team
[B]The boss[/B][B] - [/B]Yell at players so loud that they become deaf
[B]Superb strike[/B][B] - [/B]Kick a boot at players eye (minigame?)
[B]Best in Europe[/B][B] - [/B]Win EC tournament
[B]Loyalty card[/B][B] - [/B]Manage a club for 20 years
[B]Qualified[/B][B] - [/B]Qualify for EC or WC
[B]Cup streak[/B][B] - [/B]Win two domestic cups in a row OR Win two WC/EC in a row
[B]Golden boot[/B][B] - [/B]Have a player Y to win golden boot in Europe
[B]Best in the world[/B][B] - [/B]Have Ballon d'or winner in your squad
[B]Super cup glory[/B][B] - [/B]Win a Super Cup
[B]Champions streak[/B][B] - [/B]Win two leagues in a row
[B]All around the world[/B][B] - [/B]Manage on every continent
[B]You’re on fire[/B][B] - [/B]Get fired
[B]Do the double[/B][B] - [/B]Win two trophies in a season
[B]Domination[/B][B] - [/B]Win five times against opposition Z
[B]Part of the furniture[/B][B] - [/B]Manage a club so long you grow into the seat
[B]Trophy hoarder[/B][B] - [/B]Win 15 trophies
[B]Best in the business[/B][B] - [/B]Top the national/continental manager list
[B]Freedom of the country[/B][B] - [/B]Resign from national team
[B]On top of the world[/B][B] - [/B]Top the international manager list
[B]Legend[/B][B] - [/B]Get to list of national legends (new feature?)
[B]Invincible![/B][B] - [/B]Go whole season unbeated
[B]First victory[/B][B] - [/B]Win a match \o/
[B]Confederations winner[/B][B] - [/B]Win a Confederations Cup
[B]Highlight reel[/B][B] - [/B]Get goal of the season award
[B]Splashing the cash[/B][B] - [/B]Spend £200m on players in one window
[B]Value for money[/B][B] - [/B]Sign a future Ballon d'or winner on free
[B]Club legend[/B][B] - [/B]Get to list of club legends
[B]Cash to burn[/B][B] - [/B]Have £1b in a bank
[B]Well travelled[/B][B] - [/B]Manage in 10 different teams
[B]Continental king[/B][B] - [/B]Win a continental club competition
[B]The greatest[/B][B] - [/B]Be me (Only I can achieve this)
[B]World renowned[/B][B] - [/B]Have a world class reputation
[B]The professor[/B][B] - [/B]Give certain comments to the press
[B]English hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country
[B]Scottish hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country
[B]French hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country
[B]Italian hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country
[B]Spanish hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country
[B]Brazilian hero[/B][B] - [/B]Win a WC with said country

now in a right thread

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From what was posted of earlier match engine footage about a month ago, you've taken great strides to get to where you are now. Well done SI. I actually had a little giggle to myself on the second video, when the away team score and there small section of fans start going nuts. Though it was great, against the backdrop of home fans.

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is it my imagination or did the fans that had being going mental in the stand after the first (possibly only, didnt watch the whole vid) goal in the first video almost completely disappear when the camera view was changed to 'Main stand'?

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[quote name='ism-scfc']Really?

For a match engine video? And don't you have a license for the football league anyway? You certainly have player photos out of the box for it[/QUOTE]

Yes, we have a football league license. And they have approval rights on anything that is used promotionally. So I could have done football league videos, but wouldn't have been able to show them to you for a week.

[quote name='AmA Deo']Miles, when will the new website be online?? :P[/QUOTE]

Ask Duffy.

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[quote name='antero3000']Here is what I think the achievements will be:

[/QUOTE]


snip.

Some right. Some very wrong :)

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[quote name='Miles Jacobson']Some right. Some very wrong :)[/QUOTE]

Luckily you have plenty of time to correct your mistakes then ;).

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I noticed 'player cam' in the list of camera angles. Does this mean we can choose to view the match actually on the pitch as one of the players?

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Personally I think it looks great, i think the gameplay has improved no end. I particularly like the tunnels in the stand, they are a sweet touch. However, i still think the keepers diving et needs to be imroved, the balls in the air always go to feet directly, when you score the fans jump up ultra quickly, and when the players run it looks a bit unrealistic, hope i come to change my views, but at the momemnt, thats what i think. How about you?

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love the net rippling effect, I'm very tempted to use the 3D engine now because it looks to have improved several times over since 09.

Looking forward to the demo and of course the full game!

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Miles, will the affiliates section be edited for the new website? I'e been asking for three years to be a part of it :)

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I suspect the Player Cam will be like the Player Cam that sky sports used to do, where it just follows one player for the entire match, regardless of whether he has the ball or not.

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Player cam is just a debug camera view only available for SI, that option wont be there in the release.

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I'll be installing via Steam, just so I don't always need the DVD in the drive :thup:

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will the game on mac be different in any other ways?

also the achievements should be on the game, not steam, so everyone can use them. Annoying

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[quote name='giggs129']Player cam is just a debug camera view only available for SI, that option wont be there in the release.[/QUOTE]

That's a shame. I was getting all excited about the Player Cam. Miles said in todays blog that these videos are the real deal so I was assuming that what we see in these videos are what we can expect in the game...

Miles, can you confirm if the Player Cam will be in the game?

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i think that the game is very fantastic it looks great so far, but the player in the air play the ball before it comes to him (not every time) but it's a little bug and i wish to see player skills ( i don't see any skills from any player even in fm09) i think this is very important thing that's all

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[quote name='giggs129']Player cam is just a debug camera view only available for SI, that option wont be there in the release.[/QUOTE]

Is that a fact or is it just your opinion? :)

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i personally love it, we are kinda clutching at straws when we mention things like fans jump up too early

after all the game is about your own team and players... the crowd is just for show

if i'm watching my team i don't even notice what the crowd are doing, although i do agree it makes a nice added touch if you like cosmetics

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[quote name='Pearce09']Is that a fact or is it just your opinion? :)[/QUOTE]

Miles mentioned it in an earlier blog thread, where the first (FM2010) match engine videos were released. Would love to be wrong though :)

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[quote name='Pearce09']Is that a fact or is it just your opinion? :)[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure I've read as well from Miles in a much earlier blog discussion thread that it is a debug camera

edit: beaten to it

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what about for a mac? steam does not work on mac, will esellerate be the same?

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Wow, really impressed by the improvements to the graphics!
Miles, you just made my day! (and night)

WBR
Mati

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Can't wait for FM2010 sounds fantastic... Well there goes my education out of the window...

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don't know if it's been mentioned - but when "main stand" is selected in the first video, the camera is from above the stand, and you can't see the sideline because of the overhanging roof!

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