adamh88 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I am only getting youth intake from the playable leagues I have loaded up. I’ve set it to large database but there are no players from Brazil, Argentina, Russia, America etc coming through. their national teams now barely have anyone in their squads. Totally different from previous games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted November 25, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 25, 2020 Hi @adamh88 Thanks for your post, this is a known issue and one we're looking to get fixed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb33 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I'm also only getting Australians as best players in my academy for the 3rd season in a row (i am managing german club) which are all 17 years or older Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted November 27, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 27, 2020 Hi @jonb33 Could you upload a save that displays this issue with too many Australian newgens in your save, please? https://community.sigames.com/topic/538431-how-to-upload-files-to-us/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb33 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 lot of australians and also almost always the top player is foreign but not german (oh and older that 17 most of the time). oh and manning was aussie but changed his to german(thank god for that) Franz Beckenbauer - BVB youth.fm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin6945 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 25/11/2020 at 20:44, Andrew James said: Hi @adamh88 Thanks for your post, this is a known issue and one we're looking to get fixed Hei, I get the same problem, as you can see below. Any news on when is it going to be fixed? Thanks. "Hei, i seem to have a problem with the youth intake..Every year at world-transfers-youth intake i only receive english clubs newgens...(i play in the premier league). The clubs in england get newgens but i can't see other clubs (non enghlish) newgens. I m in 2024 now and already most of the clubs in europe or brazil have no rela newgens in their youth teams..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted November 30, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 30, 2020 @sin6945this issue is a priority and one we're trying to fix ASAP, I'll let you know when there's an update 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb33 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 have you looked into the Aussie's? i am literally gonna get another Australian next youth intake according to youth candidate preview... this is a german club and i would think that it would make the majority of german player's right? at least player's who choose germany since they live in germany and play for a german team? i have been posting proofs and save of this issue but can't seem to get a response to this? why is that? Do you hate germans? Also would like to point out that this will be my 3rd aussie GOALKEEPER in 4 seasons... do i really need that many goalkeepers playing for Australia of all country's? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb33 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Alright thx, 2024 intake is here and guess what .. AUSSIE GK, Does Lars Ricken have an Obsessive compulsive disorder for Australian goalkeepers and trying to find the next mark schwarzer? This must be a bug yeah? do i have to fire him? is he gone mad? is there an option for the looney bin in this game and in germany or do i have to send him to bloody Australia? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Andrew James said: @sin6945this issue is a priority and one we're trying to fix ASAP, I'll let you know when there's an update What are the chances of a fix being save game compatible. I dont want to put anymore time into a save where youth intakes are not working Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlivierL Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Will this be save game compatible ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon army 06 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) I noticed similar yesterday in my second season, the first set of Youths coming through in the world was in March. Which was the Intake always due at that time. Edited December 1, 2020 by toon army 06 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Maguire Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) This youth intake issue where newgens aren't being created in unplayable leagues and the decline of them in playable leagues with the AI needs to be fixed ASAP! And is it going to be save compatible. I want to start my long term save now but I am holding off until I get a response Edited December 1, 2020 by Eoin Maguire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb33 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Eoin Maguire said: This youth intake issue where newgens aren't being created in unplayable leagues and the decline of them in playable leagues with the AI needs to be fixed ASAP! And is it going to be save compatible. I want to start my long term save now but I am holding off until I get a response Yh i agree youth intake regens decline more than they progress even if you have world class coaches. is it going to be save compatible SI ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Maguire Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 When I mean decline I mean the overall number, not the quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Maguire Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, jonb33 said: Yh i agree youth intake regens decline more than they progress even if you have world class coaches. is it going to be save compatible SI ? When I mean decline I mean in number, not in quality or progress etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Popular Post Andrew James Posted December 1, 2020 SI Staff Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 Quick update on this one: once we have a fix ready it will be save game compatible. We're working hard to get this one addressed ASAP and your patience is greatly appreciated. Apologies again for the frustration caused by this bug, I'll keep you updated as and when there's more info. @jonb33Dortmund have an affiliation set in the db at game start with an Australian club, and part of that agreement is that they will get the option to sign some of their players via youth intakes. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielclouston1 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 22 hours ago, Andrew James said: Quick update on this one: once we have a fix ready it will be save game compatible. We're working hard to get this one addressed ASAP and your patience is greatly appreciated. Apologies again for the frustration caused by this bug, I'll keep you updated as and when there's more info. @jonb33Dortmund have an affiliation set in the db at game start with an Australian club, and part of that agreement is that they will get the option to sign some of their players via youth intakes. Quick question mate, does todays update fix the issue? The patch notes had one line about it but I couldn't tell if the issues is solved in its entirety. Cheers 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Does this 'Improvements to newgen generation in inactive leagues' on Minor Update 21.1.3 fix this Youth Intake issue completely or is it 'improvements' on the way to a resolution? Tagged: @Neil Brock @Andrew James Edited December 3, 2020 by Stuniverse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted December 3, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 3, 2020 The latest update contains improvements for this issue. We’ve increased the leniency for top clubs’ player count in non-playable leagues which should increase the likelihood of certain clubs receiving youth intakes each year. The fix is save game compatible but this doesn’t mean that loads of new newgens will start appearing in all nations in your save straight away. Newgens have a pre-generation date around 3 months before they appear in game, so the fix will apply to the next pre-generation dates, rather than next intake date. I also want to clarify that the amount of newgens that generate in the first season in non-playable leagues shouldn’t be expected every season. We use newgens to replace retiring players and keep the overall player count relatively consistent, in FM21 there are more retirements than usual in the first season, which we think is a result of more free agents at game start and the COVID 19 financial implications meaning many clubs won’t offer as many contracts. So after the inflated first season intakes, the game balances out and the player count in these inactive leagues is deemed acceptable and therefore they may not receive intakes again for some time. We are restricted in the amount of players we can add to non-playable leagues, and the numbers in these leagues are intentionally much lower. If you want to guarantee high numbers of newgens from a specific nation, then you’ll need to add that nation as a playable league, which can be done at the start of a new game, or midway through a save via the dropdown menu. This will likely require some further tweaks and we think there are still some issues with total player count 10+ years into saves, and the issue will be more prevalent in cases where user has used Advanced Options to load extra players into non-playable leagues. We’re working hard to iron these out and any future fixes will be save game compatible too. Hopefully that all makes sense! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Thanks again for your patience. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 03/12/2020 at 13:05, Andrew James said: This will likely require some further tweaks and we think there are still some issues with total player count 10+ years into saves, and the issue will be more prevalent in cases where user has used Advanced Options to load extra players into non-playable leagues. We’re working hard to iron these out and any future fixes will be save game compatible too. I think this would explain my questions, but I'll ask it anyway, Andrew. I have loaded some leagues, but I added "players from top teams" in all continents at startup to add more players to the initial game. So I started with about 75k players, I also noticed that number went down as the seasons went and when the fix was released I had about 56k players in my game, however, I've played on a couple of seasons since, and now I'm down to 53k. I am in 2032 though, so was wondering if that further reduction of about 3k players is down to the issues you mentioned? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted December 11, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 11, 2020 Quick update on this one: This issue is a priority and we are still working hard to get it fixed ASAP. Changes will be save game compatible when they’re ready and will be rolled out at the earliest opportunity. It has required some fundamental changes to how newgen generation is approached in inactive leagues, and we hope the result will be a better and more consistent spread of youth intakes across the globe than we’ve ever had in previous versions of FM. Youth Intake numbers are a very complex and delicate balancing act, and your patience is still greatly appreciated while we try to get this right. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted December 11, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 11, 2020 @XaW, yes that is likely down to this issue unfortunately. Saves with extra players loaded into inactive nations with a custom db are most affected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 vor 9 Minuten schrieb Andrew James: we hope the result will be a better and more consistent spread of youth intakes across the globe than we’ve ever had in previous versions of FM. This sounds amazing! Hopefully it will make my current youth rating-file unnecessary! I had the most realistic results compared with default with highest YR arround 125 for Brazil. So I am really looking forward to this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull City Tiger Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, Andrew James said: Quick update on this one: This issue is a priority and we are still working hard to get it fixed ASAP. Changes will be save game compatible when they’re ready and will be rolled out at the earliest opportunity. It has required some fundamental changes to how newgen generation is approached in inactive leagues, and we hope the result will be a better and more consistent spread of youth intakes across the globe than we’ve ever had in previous versions of FM. Youth Intake numbers are a very complex and delicate balancing act, and your patience is still greatly appreciated while we try to get this right. Thanks for the update. Appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 well, im putting my save on hold until the update is released. hopefully the update will also fix existing saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 hours ago, andu1 said: well, im putting my save on hold until the update is released. hopefully the update will also fix existing saves. @andu1 18 hours ago, Andrew James said: Changes will be save game compatible 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsin Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I’m also pausing my gameplay until this ones sorted because it’s game-ruining if you’re managing an international team where the league isn’t or cannot be loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevehFC Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I'm getting a lot of youth intake from all nations in my game. Mostly in their national teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conway1985 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 If I have loaded up most leagues on "view-only" with a custom database (117,000+) with only the English leagues playable. I just wanted to know if this will help the issue of regens/newgens spawning in-game for other nations? Tia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 13/12/2020 at 11:29, Conway1985 said: If I have loaded up most leagues on "view-only" with a custom database (117,000+) with only the English leagues playable. I just wanted to know if this will help the issue of regens/newgens spawning in-game for other nations? Tia Custom databases make the problem even worse. Best to avoid custom databses the newgen issue is a deal breaker for you, or play slowly, hoping a fix comes out in time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreddyGuarin Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 30/11/2020 at 17:14, jonb33 said: have you looked into the Aussie's? i am literally gonna get another Australian next youth intake according to youth candidate preview... this is a german club and i would think that it would make the majority of german player's right? at least player's who choose germany since they live in germany and play for a german team? i have been posting proofs and save of this issue but can't seem to get a response to this? why is that? Do you hate germans? Also would like to point out that this will be my 3rd aussie GOALKEEPER in 4 seasons... do i really need that many goalkeepers playing for Australia of all country's? For what it's worth, I noticed on FM20 that Dortmund got loads of Aussies coming through their system. It seems that it is unchanged. I understand they have an affiliation with an Australian side, but the number of Australian newgens was far too high; usually about a quarter of the intake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull City Tiger Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Seems to be fixed on my save. Started off with a database of 80k players. Lost 3k after season 1 (obv pre-patch) season 2 lost 1k. season 3 (post patch) lost 1k at start of the season, but in March with the new intake, the database went up another 1k. So it seems to be balancing out now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCP1910 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Hull City Tiger said: Seems to be fixed on my save. Started off with a database of 80k players. Lost 3k after season 1 (obv pre-patch) season 2 lost 1k. season 3 (post patch) lost 1k at start of the season, but in March with the new intake, the database went up another 1k. So it seems to be balancing out now. Did you use advanced DB settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull City Tiger Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 hours ago, SCCP1910 said: Did you use advanced DB settings? Yes, I added players from top clubs from various continents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCP1910 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Good news then, I guess it really is fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deivis10 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Is the regens generation error over the years already 100% solved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Am 29.12.2020 um 20:32 schrieb Hull City Tiger: Seems to be fixed on my save. Started off with a database of 80k players. Lost 3k after season 1 (obv pre-patch) season 2 lost 1k. season 3 (post patch) lost 1k at start of the season, but in March with the new intake, the database went up another 1k. So it seems to be balancing out now. The decrease starts after 25/26. So this is too early to say it's fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull City Tiger Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Daveincid said: The decrease starts after 25/26. So this is too early to say it's fixed The decrease already started in my 2nd season, by the 3rd (and now 4th) it's levelled out. That to me, says it's fixed, in my save anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deivis10 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Any news about the bug? Did anyone notice improvement? When will they fix it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junnajunna Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 This hasn't been fixed unfortunately for my existing save. Not sure about new saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieFM Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I tested this last night with my current save (Christchurch FC using a tier 10 custom db). Current save started before the patch on the 2/12/20 has seen in England (the only playable league) 6 players per club coming through the youth intake in 2021, then 3 players per club coming through in 2022 and 3 players per club coming through in 2023. I started a new save with the same db parameters on the 22/1/21 and there were 6 players on average coming through each club in England in 2021, then only 2 players per club coming through in 2022 and 2023. Seems like this is a known issue, my question is "Are there likely to be further patches to fix this?" This issue does limit future success of long term saves on FM21. If you need any screenshots or the save file, let me know. I am likely to test a normal db tonight to see the difference between the first 3 seasons. Regards CookieFM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Ben_ Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) I'm in 2042 now and experiencing a big knock on from this. Every team within the top two tiers of England has had no more than 3 players through their intakes in the last few years, except myself (now in the Championship). I did start this game during the beta but was sure that I'd seen somewhere a save-game compatible fix was released? I am running 21.2.2 with m/e v21.5.0.0 if that makes any difference and I have screenshots and a saved game if it helps? There are currently just 819 players aged 17 or less in England down to VNN, 342 in Spain with just the top tier loaded and 4412 out of 65,453 in the total gameworld. Edited January 27, 2021 by _Ben_ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lijme Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Any news on this being fixed? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Andrew James Posted February 19, 2021 SI Staff Share Posted February 19, 2021 To confirm, this is still under review with our dev team. We are working on ways to increase the minimum amount of players per Youth Intake for AI clubs. All changes will be save compatible when they're ready. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyD8888 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Has this been patched? I just bought the game and thinking about the long term save, as I usually do, but this bug would basically kill it for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 30/04/2021 at 04:47, TommyD8888 said: Has this been patched? I just bought the game and thinking about the long term save, as I usually do, but this bug would basically kill it for me... Yeah it has Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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