paperclips Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I doubt it. Why would he leave Barca for Liverpool? :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlater Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 But would he fit into this new amazing style of play?.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 He's only been there 2 months. He was there for a season on loan and was then signed permanently this season for around 5million, so he's been there for a lot longer than two months. He also wasn't signed by AVB, isn't in his plans and isn't happy according to the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 He signed permanently for Spurs 2 months ago. He isn't leaving just because the press hate AVB and imagine up squad discontent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 He was there for a season on loan and was then signed permanently this season for around 5million, so he's been there for a lot longer than two months. He also wasn't signed by AVB, isn't in his plans and isn't happy according to the media. Not an AVB signing? Despite AVB being at the club for a month and a half when he was signed? Seeing as how AVB had a hand in signing players who were more or less signed before he was officially announced I find that very hard to believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 LOL @ the transfer talk on here. Worse thank Talksport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Not an AVB signing? Despite AVB being at the club for a month and a half when he was signed? Seeing as how AVB had a hand in signing players who were more or less signed before he was officially announced I find that very hard to believe I find it hard to believe that AVB, or any manager, would permanently sign a player that was brought in on loan by a different manager, unless he was amazing. Then take into consideration how many times Adebayor has played under AVB so far (3 subs, and let's not forget that Spurs are in the Europa league) and it's a big indicator that he isn't part of AVB's plans, which again, seems to be a pretty clear indicator that he wasn't signed by AVB unless AVB is a complete idiot who likes to **** wages and transfer fees up the wall on players he doesn't use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I find it hard to believe that AVB, or any manager, would permanently sign a player that was brought in on loan by a different manager, unless he was amazing. Then take into consideration how many times Adebayor has played under AVB so far (3 subs, and let's not forget that Spurs are in the Europa league) and it's a big indicator that he isn't part of AVB's plans, which again, seems to be a pretty clear indicator that he wasn't signed by AVB unless AVB is a complete idiot who likes to **** wages and transfer fees up the wall on players he doesn't use. Alternatively hes been injured and not fit which makes playing quite difficult, plus the form of Defoe has meant its difficult for him to walk straight into the side. In Europe spurs so far have been playing pretty much full strength lineups without much rotation. Had he been fit I'm pretty sure he would have started the season for spurs and not Defoe but it didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Well if he's been injured and unfit all season then fair enough, but I've not seen it mentioned any where that this is the reason he's only made a few sub appearances. I guess we will find out the truth in January or at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I find it hard to believe that AVB, or any manager, would permanently sign a player that was brought in on loan by a different manager What? So because Adebayor was on loan last season AVB should just completely disregard him? By that thinking shouldn't be be trying to get rid of all the players already at the club? They were all brought in by different managers. So why is Adebayor at Spurs? Did Levy just go out and decide he didn't care what AVB thought, he wanted to get rid of some money and Ade was the best bet for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What? So because Adebayor was on loan last season AVB should just completely disregard him? By that thinking shouldn't be be trying to get rid of all the players already at the club? They were all brought in by different managers.So why is Adebayor at Spurs? Did Levy just go out and decide he didn't care what AVB thought, he wanted to get rid of some money and Ade was the best bet for that? Right, because new managers don't come in and stamp their own brand of football on a club, and ship out players from the previous regime, especially players who aren't on permanent contracts and high wages. What a ridiculous concept! How do you know what went on behind the scenes? How do you know that there wasn't some sort of agreement between Levy and Adebayor which Levy had to respect despite a new manager coming in? Basically, neither of us know, and it's all just speculation that we've put together from different media sources. If he leaves in January, or at the end of the season, then I'll probably have been right, until then it's just an 'ego off', so I'll leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Right, because new managers don't come in and stamp their own brand of football on a club, and ship out players from the previous regime, especially players who aren't on permanent contracts and high wages. What a ridiculous concept! Yup, that's exactly what I said and exactly what I meant. Good job on the reading there Simple fact is Adebayor won't have been brought in if AVB wanted nothing to do with him. The reason he arrived so late was because the negotiations were not going smooth enough, if they wanted Spurs could have said it wasn't working and gone elsewhere, in spite of any imaginary personal agreement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Yeah, I'd iamgine negotiatns were probably underway already, AVB was asked if he wanted him, and he said yes (because at the price they are paying and how he performed last season, why wouldnt you?). They're playing one striker atm and Defoe is on fire, I can see Ade getting fed up and not wanting to be on the bench, but to say he isn't wanted at Spurs seems silly, who else do they even have as back up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Yeah, I'd iamgine negotiatns were probably underway already, AVB was asked if he wanted him, and he said yes (because at the price they are paying and how he performed last season, why wouldnt you?). They're playing one striker atm and Defoe is on fire, I can see Ade getting fed up and not wanting to be on the bench, but to say he isn't wanted at Spurs seems silly, who else do they even have as back up? Easy to see him get fed up even if he's starting and scoring a hat trick every game They basically have Ade, Defoe and some youngster, I think. No other 'proper' striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 must say I was quite impressed with the little time Enrique got on sat, put in a couple of quality balls to the box. Hope he can step up his game to how he was when he first arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Yup, that's exactly what I said and exactly what I meant. Good job on the reading there Simple fact is Adebayor won't have been brought in if AVB wanted nothing to do with him. The reason he arrived so late was because the negotiations were not going smooth enough, if they wanted Spurs could have said it wasn't working and gone elsewhere, in spite of any imaginary personal agreement Hold on a minute. You were suggesting that's what he shouldn't be doing and for me to suggest it was daft. Wtf are you talking about? You seem to have completely lost any concept of this conversation in your desperate attempt to be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Adebayor was not match fit, got injured and has just come back from injury this month. His lack of playing time is very unlikely to be a result of not being wanted by AVB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Hold on a minute. You were suggesting that's what he shouldn't be doing and for me to suggest it was daft. Wtf are you talking about? You seem to have completely lost any concept of this conversation in your desperate attempt to be right. You say: I find it hard to believe that AVB, or any manager, would permanently sign a player that was brought in on loan by a different manager Adebayor was signed on loan by someone else, hence AVB should want nothing to do with him. So I mock that sweeping, nonsensical statement by saying he should then, by the same non-logic, want to get rid of all the other players at the club as they were signed by other managers. It's not a desperate attempt to be right when I actually am right, you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Lets stop the Adebayor talk Spurs bought him for £5 million so he wont be sold for less, he doesn't stay at a club for more than 2 seasons and would want high wages not to mention the moment he is rotated to the bench he will kick up a fuss. Tough game on Thursday against the Russian league leaders, will be interesting to see Eto up against our defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Even if Adebayor wanted to join us and we wanted to sign him, he would want ridiculous wages which FSG won't go for. I'd rather have Demba Ba, surprised we didn't try in the summer when he had a £7m clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 You say: Adebayor was signed on loan by someone else, hence AVB should want nothing to do with him. So I mock that sweeping, nonsensical statement by saying he should then, by the same non-logic, want to get rid of all the other players at the club as they were signed by other managers. It's not a desperate attempt to be right when I actually am right, you know? It was YOU that made the nonsensical sweeping statement that I'd suggested that he gets rid of all the players that weren't signed by him. I said that I find it hard to believe that a new manager would sign a player who wasn't loaned in by him, and who is on a lot of money, unless he was brilliant, so you were just putting words into my mouth as I never suggested anything of the sort until you came to your 'sweepingly' bizarre conclusion and took my words completely out of context to fit your own "I must be right at all costs" agenda. The ego and arrogance of your post is right up there with the best of them, but I'll stop now as one of us should stop the thread descending into a bickering match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Bloody hell. All this over a player that no liverpool fan in their right mind would want anyway. We'll lose on Thursday, and quite badly too i'd expect. Can see Carragher and Coates starting again and the whole thing being an unmitigated disaster. Will Reina be back by then do we know? Potential line-up Jones Johnson Carragher Coates Enrique Suso Shelvey Henderson Assaidi Morgan Downing Us to concede at least 4 with maybe the odd goal in reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 :/ is the only response I have to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I can see him putting out a much stronger team that that tbh. Wouldn't be surprised to see Skrtel, Allen, Sahin and Suarez starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Maybe off the bench, but with the derby coming up I don't think he'll risk any of those with the possible exception of Sahin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I hope he doesn't risk them really Suarez looked as if he had a bit of knock most of the second half much rather see him have his feet up midweek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I think people get overly obsessed with this 'not risk' them thing, injury prone and older players aside, most players, including those that i mentioned, are perfectly capable of playing midweek and 3 days later. they'd do it crap loads if we were in the CL. it's not really a risk in general at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 All this Adebayor talk lol. Hasn't been fit and has had a few niggles, simple as that really as to why he hasn't played much and JD has been playing well tbf, it's an obvious story for a newspaper like the Sun to run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I am sure he will rest players for the derby, but if we lose to Anzhi then we are all but out of the competition barring a couple of immense away performances. Don't think benjaminpeter will be too far off with his line up - maybe Yesil for Morgan and Cole for Suso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Eto'o will rip Carra to shreds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Is Eto'o still class? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Class enough to rip Carra to bits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 In reference to the Ade talk and AVB not wanting him etc etc - I thought Levy bought players regardless of the manager wanting them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I think people get overly obsessed with this 'not risk' them thing, injury prone and older players aside, most players, including those that i mentioned, are perfectly capable of playing midweek and 3 days later. they'd do it crap loads if we were in the CL. it's not really a risk in general at all. I think the majority of people would assume 'dont risk' is because we are afraid of said player getting cleaned out by a nasty tackle rather than simply pulling a muscle or something due to lack of fitness. My take on it anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 can we stop quoting dking please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Anzhi haven't been that impressive in the Europa thus far despite picking up results. Think even our recent Europa sides should have a decent shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Just don't see how we can take the EL seriously given our complete lack of squad depth. Treat it like the League Cup. Great opportunity for the second string to impress. Suarez travelled a billion miles last week and took a knock on Saturday. Isn't in the squad for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 double post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubiscus Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Bloody hell. All this over a player that no liverpool fan in their right mind would want anyway. We'll lose on Thursday, and quite badly too i'd expect. Can see Carragher and Coates starting again and the whole thing being an unmitigated disaster. Will Reina be back by then do we know? Potential line-up Jones Johnson Carragher Coates Enrique Suso Shelvey Henderson Assaidi Morgan Downing Us to concede at least 4 with maybe the odd goal in reply. Anzhi aren't high scorers so I don't see us conceeding that many. Hope we put out a stronger line-up than that, our co-efficient needs to be upheld and we should be taking the Europa League very seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'd rather have Demba Ba, surprised we didn't try in the summer when he had a £7m clause. Should also note that Senegal aren't going to the ANC so he can play through the winter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yep. Over the next few years or Champions League heroics will dropping off our co-efficient, so we could do woth reaching the latter stages to stop our seedings falling off the face of the earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yep. Over the next few years or Champions League heroics will dropping off our co-efficient, so we could do woth reaching the latter stages to stop our seedings falling off the face of the earth. We've already lost our second final haven't we? Just checked and these are our co-efficients Not sure how they're worked out but 2008/09 (the first one where we scored 23) we got to the quarters of the Champs League, I don't know how far we'd have to get in the Europa to match that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 What where our last 2 europa finishes? Last 32? edit - LRJ can you do a similar thing for porto? that should give us a pretty good feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yep. Over the next few years or Champions League heroics will dropping off our co-efficient, so we could do woth reaching the latter stages to stop our seedings falling off the face of the earth. Also need to make sure we qualify again next year via our league position, otherwise a good run this year is pretty futile. Tough one for Brendan to balance out but I hope he gives Suarez the night off on Thursday. With our shortage of strikers up front, we'd be in big trouble if he got injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 8 Porto 17.357 21.000 31.760 12.366 8.916 Total = 91.400 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 You also get points for what other clubs from England do, so United reaching the CL final and Chelsea winning the CL actually scores you some points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just look at our european co-efficient since Rafa left - its dropped like a stone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Looking at that our coefficient is screwed anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well it wasnt really going to be good based off the last few seasons now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Still got the Europa League semi in there. A good run to the last 8 would be useful. You don't want Man City style groups if and when we get back in the CL. The utter crapness in the Europa League is counting against them at the moment. It's why man Utd get good draws more often than not, seeding keeps them away from groups of death. Being top seed quality team in pot 2 or 3 is a nightmare. Or.... maybe that's what we want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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