BoroPhil Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Not following Spanish football closely, it appears that Spain's captain and no.1, Casillas, barely played a league game for RM last season. but he played in the CL games? and RM's league keeper, Diego Lopez didn't even get in the Spain squad? eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Del Bosque is right, Ancelotti is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Not following Spanish football closely, it appears that Spain's captain and no.1, Casillas, barely played a league game for RM last season. but he played in the CL games?and RM's league keeper, Diego Lopez didn't even get in the Spain squad? eh? Well...you've answered your question! Casillas (bar the poor Champions League final) had an excellent season and was one of the main reasons why they even made it to the final - if Diego López had played against Dortmund in the second leg I'm sure they'd have been knocked out. He was good in Copa del Rey games too, while Diego López wasn't really as good as he was in the second half of 2012/13. Then there's the fact that Iker has been sensational for Spain for years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 10, 2014 SI Staff Share Posted June 10, 2014 Casillas, De Gea, Valdes, Reina, Lopez - to be fair - that's a pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 what about now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 How often has Casillas been poor for Spain? All players have bad games every now and then, the problem is when they always have. Casillas will probably do much better next time (s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Real Madrid have treated Casillas so poorly the last 2 seasons, theres no reason at all that Diego Lopez should be starting over him and Keepers need runs of games to keep sharp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew! Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 How many bad games has Casillas had for Spain? Was he the only player to blame today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 How many bad games has Casillas had for Spain? Was he the only player to blame today? I dont know about the first part of your question and although he did not have a good game, his defence were a far bigger reason for todays result and a massive reason as to why he looked so poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Think he's to blame for the 1st goal (too far ahead), maybe half of the blame for the 4th one (shouldn't be passing around the ball when the opponent is putting full-field pressure) 3rd goal is a 50-50 foul call on RVP, depending on the referee and the scoreline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Thing with keepers is when they go, they go! It's the Seaman effect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Think he's to blame for the 1st goal (too far ahead), maybe half of the blame for the 4th one (shouldn't be passing around the ball when the opponent is putting full-field pressure)3rd goal is a 50-50 foul call on RVP, depending on the referee and the scoreline Was fouled for the 3rd but still should have got something on it. At fault for 3 goals, and let's not forget CL final that recently happened. I don't watch Madrid much but honestly can't remember seeing him have a good game when I've watched him in a long time. If this was any other goalie in the world (apart from Neuer/Buffon) he'd be a laughing stock, living purely on reputation now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 If Green could be dropped after one howler despite making a couple of saves against USA, then after last night's horror showing, Casillas should be dropped too. It's not like Reina or De Gea cant do a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Iker is the captain, not as simple as dropping him just like that. He probably carries such a huge presence around the changing room Del Bosque will not want to aggravate him. Jose did and that caused massive rifts within the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Captain by virtue of most caps rather than presence though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 If Green could be dropped after one howler despite making a couple of saves against USA, then after last night's horror showing, Casillas should be dropped too. It's not like Reina or De Gea cant do a job. You're arguing that as if Green has a higher reputation than Casillas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Was fouled for the 3rd but still should have got something on it.At fault for 3 goals, and let's not forget CL final that recently happened. I don't watch Madrid much but honestly can't remember seeing him have a good game when I've watched him in a long time. If this was any other goalie in the world (apart from Neuer/Buffon) he'd be a laughing stock, living purely on reputation now. Not sure you can criticise a player so much when you don't watch his team often... He was poor last night but he was excellent in pretty much every game of last season except the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 What I'm saying is Casillas is living off of past reputation and if it was any other keeper he would be dropped in a heartbeat. Reina and DDG might not have as big of an influence as Casillas, but they have a full season under their belts and would not disappoint if they were to step into the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirZ Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Reina needs to start imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_rm Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Well Casillas was fantastic all season in the Champions League so it's pretty ridiculous to say he's finished etc off the back of one game. Ramos was worse then him last night anyway, rather drop him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Reina is worse than Casillas is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Thing with Iker, he usually bounces back and is formidable after he's had a howler. Would not be surprised if he's now solid for rest of tournament likewise the Spainish defence (shouldn't have dropped Arbeloa ), last night was a wake up call if they ever needed one. Their play was just so naive defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Rest of the tournament might only be two more games though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirZ Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Well Casillas was fantastic all season in the Champions League so it's pretty ridiculous to say he's finished etc off the back of one game. Ramos was worse then him last night anyway, rather drop him. He did have a shocker in the final though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 The defence was far worse than Casillas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Rest of the tournament might only be two more games though Will still be solid in 2 0-0 draws though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Casillas is still one of the 3 worlds best keepers if not the best, so to question him now is not very clever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 He did have a shocker in the final though. He did, but they have him to thank for getting them there when Dortmund were destroying them in the 2nd leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 He did, but they have him to thank for getting them there when Dortmund were destroying them in the 2nd leg. And big thanks to Mikhitarian as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Haha yeah, he helped them a lot too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Jose (and Carlo) knew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Time for de Gea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Time for the tea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Jose (and Carlo) knew. Carlo knew so much he won two competitions by playing Iker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Iker the cup keeper, just like Fabianski winning a cup with Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 José could put a monkey in goal and chelsea fans would support it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 St. Iker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Yeah but it's not just José is it? At first I thought it might just be politics with him and Iker, but now Carlo doesn't see him as first choice either I don't think it's that. I believe it's what we saw last night. Diego Lopez is more reliable nowadays. Infact José played Iker more than Carlo does. Two of the best managers don't see him as first choice, that's pretty damning. I wouldn't drop him right now because the drama wouldn't be worth it, but after this World Cup he'd be gone if he still isn't Madrid's #1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 It's the fact Lopez didn't do much wrong to deserve to be dropped when Carlo came in as league keeper, during the season Lopez made some absolute howlers though whilst Iker remained solid in the UCL (bar the final) so Lopez should have been dropped but he didn't and no doubt that had an impact on them not winning the league which was a huge mistake by Carlo. Reckon he'll be back to being number one next season in all comps bar Copa Del Rey unless they decide to cash in and chase someone like de Gea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 I'm the opposite, I think it was the right decision to keep him as first choice going into the tournament but think that after last night's game he should be dropped. He won't be though, so no point discussing it I guess. Diego López isn't more reliable though, anyone who regularly watches Real Madrid could tell you that, he just isn't criticised because he doesn't have Iker's rep. Oh and Mourinho dropped Casillas for Adán initially, so it was never really about him thinking Diego López was a better keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Think he's to blame for the 1st goal (too far ahead), maybe half of the blame for the 4th one (shouldn't be passing around the ball when the opponent is putting full-field pressure)3rd goal is a 50-50 foul call on RVP, depending on the referee and the scoreline im not really sure what you expect him to do for the first, the only way hed have saved it was by staying glued to his line, which im pretty sure no keeper in the world would have done Oh and whoever it was comparing Robert Green being dropped to whether or not Casillas should be dropped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Oh and whoever it was comparing Robert Green being dropped to whether or not Casillas should be dropped Here! yeah it was an unworthy comparison but was just trying to make a point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Apologies accepted from ruben and enterusername, let's be friends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Thing with Iker, he usually bounces back and is formidable after he's had a howler. Would not be surprised if he's now solid for rest of tournament likewise the Spainish defence (shouldn't have dropped Arbeloa ), last night was a wake up call if they ever needed one. Their play was just so naive defensively. lol you were saying ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Apologies accepted from ruben and enterusername, let's be friends For what? He's been abysmal this tournament, that doesn't mean he had a fantastic season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Since he switched to those new Adidas gloves for the CL final, he's been shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 gloves clearly to blame for being tackled by RVP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 De Gea will be their number 1 soon anyway. Shame he picked up that injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Also harsh to say he was awful in the champs league final, he had an awful moment not an awful game. Although there's no defense for the two WC performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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